All these F's, what now

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Hello all,

I've only posted once before here and I was extremely neurotic about it. In the time since then, I've learned more about what it takes to get into medical school. I still have some doubts, however. I've acquired a total of 8 Fs in my undergrad career. I should note I am still in undergrad. I've been in undergrad since 2012 and will finish up in 2021. Emotional ups and downs earlier in my college career prevented me from actually finishing. I recently changed my major into something I would enjoy more which added another 2 years. Anyway, I used a simulated AMCAS gpa calculator, and according to that, my cGPA is 2.93 and my sGPA is a 3.26. I think my sGPA would be lower for AACOMAS since it doesn't include math. I have not done any clinical volunteering or shadowing yet but am looking into that. I do volunteer through my church though. Am I crazy for trying to become a physician? How will medical schools view those Fs? The reason behind them has to do mostly with being young and stupid as well as in dark places. Any criticism or advice is appreciated.
 
Hello all,

I've only posted once before here and I was extremely neurotic about it. In the time since then, I've learned more about what it takes to get into medical school. I still have some doubts, however. I've acquired a total of 8 Fs in my undergrad career. I should note I am still in undergrad. I've been in undergrad since 2012 and will finish up in 2021. Emotional ups and downs earlier in my college career prevented me from actually finishing. I recently changed my major into something I would enjoy more which added another 2 years. Anyway, I used a simulated AMCAS gpa calculator, and according to that, my cGPA is 2.93 and my sGPA is a 3.26. I think my sGPA would be lower for AACOMAS since it doesn't include math. I have not done any clinical volunteering or shadowing yet but am looking into that. I do volunteer through my church though. Am I crazy for trying to become a physician? How will medical schools view those Fs? The reason behind them has to do mostly with being young and stupid as well as in dark places. Any criticism or advice is appreciated.

1. You absolutely have to get your mental health under control before you try and do anything having to do with medicine. Mental health is, arguably, the first prerequesite.

2. You don't have any way of knowing if this is something you want without any clinical exposure.
 
1. You absolutely have to get your mental health under control before you try and do anything having to do with medicine. Mental health is, arguably, the first prerequesite.

2. You don't have any way of knowing if this is something you want without any clinical exposure.

Fair point. I start volunteering at my local hospital in the fall. Hopefully that will give me more insight. I also am in the process of obtaining a medical assisting diploma.
I neglected to mention that my mental health is under control.
Btw, I'm having trouble finding Docs to shadow. Any advice on how to do it? Is it advisable to just call and/or email their practices to ask?
 
Fair point. I start volunteering at my local hospital in the fall. Hopefully that will give me more insight. I also am in the process of obtaining a medical assisting diploma.
I neglected to mention that my mental health is under control.
Btw, I'm having trouble finding Docs to shadow. Any advice on how to do it? Is it advisable to just call and/or email their practices to ask?

In good conscience, I can’t share any thoughts on you getting involved in clinical activities right now.

When was your most recent “F”? Have you made actionable moves to get your mental health under control, or are you just riding a high point right now? Why has it taken you 9 years to finish undergrad?

Edit: OP, I might be coming off a little crude, I apologize. However, my "something else is going on here" senses are tingling hardcore right now. Just please watch out for your own well being.
 
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Fair point. I start volunteering at my local hospital in the fall. Hopefully that will give me more insight. I also am in the process of obtaining a medical assisting diploma.
I neglected to mention that my mental health is under control.
Btw, I'm having trouble finding Docs to shadow. Any advice on how to do it? Is it advisable to just call and/or email their practices to ask?
I would cold-call doctors unless you find their email online (might be hard). Since you are volunteering at a hospital you might be able to shadow some doctors there if you play your cards right (be nice, get to know them, then ask).
 
In good conscience, I can’t share any thoughts on you getting involved in clinical activities right now.

When was your most recent “F”? Have you made actionable moves to get your mental health under control, or are you just riding a high point right now? Why has it taken you 9 years to finish undergrad?

The most recent F was in the Fall of 2016. I have a therapist I see on occasion (which he suggested considering I am doing much better). I haven't gotten anything lower than a B since.

Since you asked..

I had been going to school on and off for the past nine years. I changed my major recently which is adding another 2. But, I've been steady in school since the summer of 2017. Haven't missed a semester since, including summer.
 
I would cold-call doctors unless you find their email online (might be hard). Since you are volunteering at a hospital you might be able to shadow some doctors there if you play your cards right (be nice, get to know them, then ask).

Will do! Thanks for the advice.
 
The most recent F was in the Fall of 2016. I have a therapist I see on occasion (which he suggested considering I am doing much better). I haven't gotten anything lower than a B since.

Since you asked..

I had been going to school on and off for the past nine years. I changed my major recently which is adding another 2. But, I've been steady in school since the summer of 2017. Haven't missed a semester since, including summer.

Good for you!

I think you might want to use your premed advisor to review your transcript and ask about the best academic course of action to be marketable to med schools. If you have enough credits that your GPA can still move north, it might be possible to apply straight out of undergrad. This is a conversation to have with your advisor, though. For best results - start getting straight A's now.

I agree with @I'mJustCurious ; try cold-calling and networking with docs in the hospital you're volunteering in. It's better to air towards being "a little bit annoying" (and getting some connections out of it) than a "no-name in the concern" (and getting little out of it).

Keep doing well and good luck.
 
Good for you!

I think you might want to use your premed advisor to review your transcript and ask about the best academic course of action to be marketable to med schools. If you have enough credits that your GPA can still move north, it might be possible to apply straight out of undergrad. This is a conversation to have with your advisor, though. For best results - start getting straight A's now.

I agree with @I'mJustCurious ; try cold-calling and networking with docs in the hospital you're volunteering in. It's better to air towards being "a little bit annoying" (and getting some connections out of it) than a "no-name in the concern" (and getting little out of it).

Keep doing well and good luck.

Thank you! It's been an uphill battle but I like to think I am tenacious and in a persevering mindset.
Gotcha, I will definitely take both of you all's advice to heart. I appreciate it.

Best of luck to you both as well.
 
Hello all,

I've only posted once before here and I was extremely neurotic about it. In the time since then, I've learned more about what it takes to get into medical school. I still have some doubts, however. I've acquired a total of 8 Fs in my undergrad career. I should note I am still in undergrad. I've been in undergrad since 2012 and will finish up in 2021. Emotional ups and downs earlier in my college career prevented me from actually finishing. I recently changed my major into something I would enjoy more which added another 2 years. Anyway, I used a simulated AMCAS gpa calculator, and according to that, my cGPA is 2.93 and my sGPA is a 3.26. I think my sGPA would be lower for AACOMAS since it doesn't include math. I have not done any clinical volunteering or shadowing yet but am looking into that. I do volunteer through my church though. Am I crazy for trying to become a physician? How will medical schools view those Fs? The reason behind them has to do mostly with being young and stupid as well as in dark places. Any criticism or advice is appreciated.
Read this:
Goro's advice for pre-meds who need reinvention
 
If your last F was in 2016 and you won't finish until 2021 adcoms may be willing to note an upward trend, just prepare to explain yourself if you get an interview (and DON'T MENTION MENTAL HEALTH). Retake anything you can, not so much for the improved gpa but to show an adcom you can handle the material. They may not care so much if it's not science related tho.
 
Fair point. I start volunteering at my local hospital in the fall. Hopefully that will give me more insight. I also am in the process of obtaining a medical assisting diploma.
I neglected to mention that my mental health is under control.
Btw, I'm having trouble finding Docs to shadow. Any advice on how to do it? Is it advisable to just call and/or email their practices to ask?

Scribe. It's less akward than shadowing and it's easy to wake up at 5:30AM excited to go shadow a few times but after a year of scribing you may not be so passionate.
 
Scribe. It's less akward than shadowing and it's easy to wake up at 5:30AM excited to go shadow a few times but after a year of scribing you may not be so passionate.

I have actually been looking into that. What scribing companies are there? the only one I've heard about is ScribeAmerica
 
I have actually been looking into that. What scribing companies are there? the only one I've heard about is ScribeAmerica

Not all doctors use scribes and not all doctors that use scribes use a scribe company. I applied to ER scribe jobs which were independant/hospital run several times but never got it. Then I applied to Scribe America and got it. Looking back I wish I could have just got the ER scribe job. ScribeAmerica wasn't the best company I have a thread on that if you would like to read.

Simply look up "Scribe jobs ____(your city)___"
 
I have actually been looking into that. What scribing companies are there? the only one I've heard about is ScribeAmerica

I worked as an emergency department scribe and manager for ScribeAmerica until recently. It was fun and informative, and also allowed me to get close to a lot of MDs and DOs. I definitely recommend working in emergency over outpatient. Many folks in my team transitioned from outpatient after they found their jobs unbearably boring/repetitive. Emergency also offers greater scheduling flexibility.

The quality of your time in ScribeAmerica is heavily dependent on your managers - and many of those managers will likely be premeds with varying amounts of real management experience. Also, you will probably be paid minimum wage. Hospitals/clinics that directly hire scribes may offer better management and/or pay. Nonetheless, ScribeAmerica is not a bad place to be. Let me know if you have any questions!

Going back to the topic of the thread... I recommend going through Goro's thread on reinvention - definitely a gold mine! Work hard between now and graduation to really show your growth. Study hard for the MCAT and aim high. Most importantly, though, take the time you need to make sure your mind is in the right place. These are all steps I took in preparation for the past cycle.
 
Not all doctors use scribes and not all doctors that use scribes use a scribe company. I applied to ER scribe jobs which were independant/hospital run several times but never got it. Then I applied to Scribe America and got it. Looking back I wish I could have just got the ER scribe job. ScribeAmerica wasn't the best company I have a thread on that if you would like to read.

Simply look up "Scribe jobs ____(your city)___"

Do you have a link to your ScribeAmerica thread?
 
Do you have a link to your ScribeAmerica thread?

 
I've worked as an ER scribe for roughly the past two years. It is absolutely priceless experience and humbling to be in positions where you're observing things and thinking to yourself "it's pretty fricken cool that I get to be in the room right now," often when patients are having their toughest days. That being said, I work for a small, independent scribe company that only works out of a few hospitals, not nationwide like the others. I would look for one of these smaller groups as it may be better run and managed than a large, national organization.
 
I've only posted once before here and I was extremely neurotic about it. In the time since then, I've learned more about what it takes to get into medical school. I still have some doubts, however. I've acquired a total of 8 Fs in my undergrad career. I should note I am still in undergrad. I've been in undergrad since 2012 and will finish up in 2021. Emotional ups and downs earlier in my college career prevented me from actually finishing. I recently changed my major into something I would enjoy more which added another 2 years.

I've posted my story elsewhere, so check my post history or the low gpa/mcat thread linked below for more details. The short version is that I had a Freshman GPA of 0.6, I'm not an M3 at a MD school. I'm not sure if I had 8 Fs, but I was in the ballpark. You dug yourself a very deep hole, but it is possible to dig your way out again. It sounds like you have started to do that.e

Anyway, I used a simulated AMCAS gpa calculator, and according to that, my cGPA is 2.93 and my sGPA is a 3.26. I think my sGPA would be lower for AACOMAS since it doesn't include math.

You are going to run into diminishing returns on your GPA, but less so on your sGPA. Your whole application is about reinvention. A 4.0 in your last two years of school may not get your cumulative GPA into the stratosphere, but it will make a statement about who you have become.

I have not done any clinical volunteering or shadowing yet but am looking into that. I do volunteer through my church though.

Start this right away, especially the volunteering. A few hours a week really adds up over the course of multiple years and shows commitment to something. You already have a major weak point in your application, you need every other part to shine. Do something you enjoy so that you don't mind putting in the hours. Your church is a good place to start. I would also recommend looking into volunteering with hospice.


Am I crazy for trying to become a physician?

Yes, you are probably crazy. Your life will be much easier if you can convince yourself that your would prefer to be the assistant director of human resources at a mid-sized corporation. Life's short and we only get one ride on earth. Do what you want with it, just know that this is a long road and there are no guarantees.

How will medical schools view those Fs? The reason behind them has to do mostly with being young and stupid as well as in dark places. Any criticism or advice is appreciated.

They aren't going to view the Fs positively, but you have to opportunity to control the narrative going forward. Time is your best friend here. It's hard to believe you aren't the person you were last year, but it's much easier to believe you aren't the person you were 5-10 years ago. Especially if you have two years of straight As, a kick-ass MCAT and a few hundred hours of volunteer work to back it up. My freshman grades were brought up at every interview, but so were my post-bacc GPA, MCAT and volunteer work.

This is the part where you should ask about the MCAT

I know that the MCAT is a couple years out for you, but you need a good score. As I've said elsewhere, the MCAT is the punctuation mark at the end of your reinvention story. You need to make certain that it is an exclamation point, not a question mark.


tl;dr - If you can think of something else you would like to do with your life, do that. It will be easier. If not, your dream of being a physician is still alive. There are plenty of MD schools and nearly all DO schools that reward reinvention. Congratulations on turning things around, that's not easy to do. Keep your momentum going for a couple more years and check in with us from time to time to let us know how you are doing.


I would cold-call doctors unless you find their email online (might be hard). Since you are volunteering at a hospital you might be able to shadow some doctors there if you play your cards right (be nice, get to know , then ask).

^This is good advice


Good for you!

I think you might want to use your premed advisor to review your transcript and ask about the best academic course of action to be marketable to med schools. If you have enough credits that your GPA can still move north, it might be possible to apply straight out of undergrad. This is a conversation to have with your advisor, though. For best results - start getting straight A's now.

I agree with @I'mJustCurious ; try cold-calling and networking with docs in the hospital you're volunteering in. It's better to air towards being "a little bit annoying" (and getting some connections out of it) than a "no-name in the concern" (and getting little out of it).

Keep doing well and good luck.

In my experience (n=1) premed advisers don't have enough experience dealing with non-trads and reinvention students to be able to give advice. Feel free to meet with them, but realize they may have never advised a student in your situation before. SDN gets some criticism, often deserved, but it is pretty much the only place I was able to find multiple people who had reinvented themselves and gotten accepted


*edit* - I'm on my surgery rotation and too tired to proofread this. Sorry in advance if it doesn't make sense.
 
Thank you for your reply. I know my road is long and hard. I am determined. I have volunteered a couple of times as an interpreter for medical students who do check ups on the Hispanic community. The things I have seen have made me strengthen my resolve to become a physician because I am URM and see the need for these physicians. I am not in this so much for the pay or the lifestyle. I wouldn't mind working at a small clinic. I just want my community to get the appropriate care. Maybe these are the wrong reasons, maybe they arent. Many times when I get discouraged I remember why I am doing this. Sorry if I'm rambling. Your story has given me hope. Thank you so much. I wish you all the best.
 
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