Alternative Medicine interview questions

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I know everyone is gearing up for interviews (Yay!) and I figure I will be asked this, as well as many others, so thought I'd start a thread for ideas because I didn't see one already. I know a lot of vet schools ask in interviews what your thoughts are on alternative/holistic medicine. However, I also know there are some vets that wholeheartedly believe in it, and some who laugh at it.

Can you guys think of a good way to answer this question? I can see both sides of the issue, but don't want to come off as wishy-washy.

Thanks!
 
I know this doesn't really help answer the question. But, and this really just pertains to Food Animal, I think all vets should, at the least, be familiar with holistic/natural medicine. With how many farms are converting to organic, it would be a disadvantage for you not to be.
 
It's something I really want to learn if I'm gonna be a vet. For people that can't afford western medicine, there might be a chance in alternative. Or they just prefer it. Either way, I think it's good to offer it and I hope I'll be able to get some experience with it.
 
For people that can't afford western medicine, there might be a chance in alternative.

Honestly, where I am, "alternative" veterinary medicine is far more expensive than conventional veterinary medicine!!! Obviously I can't speak for the US though.

I think its important to be open minded and informed about it. Many of your clients (esp SA) will ask about alternatives and if a vet just shoots them down with condesention then they are actually MORE likely to go to the alternative if that vet is understanding etc. Also, some patients benefit greatly from things like acupuncture - and many owners seeking paliative care will be willing to go down the alternative path. Getting alternative medicine to work side by side with conventional medicine (NOT overtaking it, and NOT being the first line of treatment) is good business practice, I think. And MOST alternatives do no harm - just make sure you adequately educate the client:

Ie:
Client: I've heard about XXX, what do you think
Vet: While there is no scientific proof it works, I have heard of such and such a benefit, and I don't see it doing any harm. If you think it might work for fluffy, then by all means try it.
 
Honestly, where I am, "alternative" veterinary medicine is far more expensive than conventional veterinary medicine!!! Obviously I can't speak for the US though.

I don't know too much about it but I've heard both. I guess it depends on what exactly is being done?

Either way, I'd like to offer both. 🙂
 
I think it really depends on what type of alternative medicine you're talking about. Giving your dog fish oil instead of drugs as an anti-inflammatory or to help dry, itchy skin can be considered alternative because it's a more natural approach. However, alternatives such as homeopathy (where everything is so dilute it's like a grain of salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool) are pretty much quackery. However, I would never roll my eyes at a patient's owner and tell them it's not going to work. It's up to the owners whether or not they want to choose a certain type of treatment, and if they feel like it might work without harming the animal then why not go for it.
 
Agree with sunshinevet and vickers. I think it's important to just emphasize that there are many different types of alternative/holistic medicine, some of which are pretty well studied, others are not (or in the case of homeopathy almost impossible to do a controlled scientific study on).

Things like acupuncture and essential fatty acids have a pretty good science backing. Some "natural" things like certain antioxidants and vitamins are absolutely indicated for many conditions and are primary treatments (not alternative). Things like reiki and homeopathy are just pure bullcrap. Some nutraceuticals like joint supplements (GAGs) and some probiotics are controversial but at least in theory have good scientific reasoning. But when it comes to many nutraceuticals, know that OTC supplements rarely contain what they say they do to the level that they claim they do. So where these supplements come from matters. Then there are things like traditional Chinese medicine, cold laser, and other nutraceutical that a subset of veterinarians (not lay pseudoprofessionals) practice but are a bit judged or at least received with skepticism by the rest of the profession. And plus, something like 80% of ailments will cure with benign neglect, which is why snake oil treatments get so popular and why blind placebo controlled studies are important.

If you're really interested in it, then definitely express that interest in your interview. Just talk about it rationally, and acknowledge that it's a field in high demand that is very diverse (and prone to include some quackery so must be prudent). If you express interest in committing to practice these with evidence based medicine as the goal, I think you're fine.

If you have no interest in it personally, that's fine too. Just acknowledge that some types ARE indeed valid, and that vet med as a whole has many conventional treatments being used without nearly as much research behind them as we should, so we can't be too judgmental either. But for legitimate but specialized (e.g. Acupuncture) or somewhat controversial types of holistic medicine, if you don't have the familiarity with it you can refer to those practitioners that do so long as you trust them.
 
I'm a member of OSU's Integrative Medicine Club and we've done some cool things like an acupuncture wet lab, a visit to the canine rehab facility (and watched a water treadmill demo), and had lectures on aromatherapy and natural dog food/feeding trials. All pretty cool things I knew nothing about before school.

There is also an Integrative Medicine elective, just fyi 🙂
 
I don't think you'll come off as wishy-washy if you say that you can see both sides of the issue. IMO, a reasonable answer would include you saying that you haven't learned enough about it to form a solid opinion, but you know that many pet owners are interested in natural/hollistic remedies, so it's important to be familiar with that aspect of medicine (regardless of whether or not you support it).
You could also mention what other users have said - that there are too many individual remedies/treatments to lump them all together as "good" or "bad".

I think that while it's good in interviews to be able to take a stance and defend it, it's also good to show interviewers that you are aware of your own limitations (eg when you don't have enough knowledge to formulate an opinion) and acknowledge that a lot of issues are complicated, and have many sides to them.
 
To summarize what I've learned about this issue from some reading I've done about ethics, basically it doesn't matter so much whether you're practicing standard or "alternative" medicine, what matters is that you're practicing evidence based medicine and not just encouraging your client to do what he/she found on the internet or heard from their friend's breeder, or trying out this awesome new treatment your colleague has told you about but that you weren't able to find a scientific paper to prove. Your client is paying you for your medical advice because you went through years of school to learn how to effectively diagnose an illness and pick the best treatment option, factoring in things like risks, practicality, and efficacy of treatment. To just simply tell the client that it's okay to go forth and try the untested wive's tails they've found on the internet would be unethical, as would be suggesting an untested treatment as a first line of defense when other options are available. You should go ahead with an untested treatment only if alongside traditional treatment, if other options have failed or are not available, or if the client refuses the other treatment after being advised otherwise, because they think it will cause more harm than good (it is the vet's job to make risks of treatment clear) or because it goes against their own ethics or they simply can't afford it.

Regardless of why the unproven treatment is being used, it is the vet's job to make it clear that the treatment in question has not been proven scientifically to work, and while it may not hurt the animal in and of itself, doing it in place of true treatment may hurt the animal. It is also the vet's job to point out that the animal may get better while on the untested treatment, but it may have nothing to do with the treatment whatsoever. Animals have these awesome things called immune systems and often get over things on their own.
 
I know everyone is gearing up for interviews (Yay!) and I figure I will be asked this, as well as many others, so thought I'd start a thread for ideas because I didn't see one already. I know a lot of vet schools ask in interviews what your thoughts are on alternative/holistic medicine. However, I also know there are some vets that wholeheartedly believe in it, and some who laugh at it.

Can you guys think of a good way to answer this question? I can see both sides of the issue, but don't want to come off as wishy-washy.

Thanks!

I work for a vet who has certifications in holistic medicine and acupuncture. We offer clients both ... though typically alternative medicine is more costly. We also offer cold laser and seriously, it's amazing!
 
Honestly, where I am, "alternative" veterinary medicine is far more expensive than conventional veterinary medicine!!! Obviously I can't speak for the US though.

I think its important to be open minded and informed about it. Many of your clients (esp SA) will ask about alternatives and if a vet just shoots them down with condesention then they are actually MORE likely to go to the alternative if that vet is understanding etc. Also, some patients benefit greatly from things like acupuncture - and many owners seeking paliative care will be willing to go down the alternative path. Getting alternative medicine to work side by side with conventional medicine (NOT overtaking it, and NOT being the first line of treatment) is good business practice, I think. And MOST alternatives do no harm - just make sure you adequately educate the client:

Ie:
Client: I've heard about XXX, what do you think
Vet: While there is no scientific proof it works, I have heard of such and such a benefit, and I don't see it doing any harm. If you think it might work for fluffy, then by all means try it.

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Pretty much said what I was going to 🙂
 
To summarize what I've learned about this issue from some reading I've done about ethics, basically it doesn't matter so much whether you're practicing standard or "alternative" medicine, what matters is that you're practicing evidence based medicine and not just encouraging your client to do what he/she found on the internet or heard from their friend's breeder, or trying out this awesome new treatment your colleague has told you about but that you weren't able to find a scientific paper to prove. Your client is paying you for your medical advice because you went through years of school to learn how to effectively diagnose an illness and pick the best treatment option, factoring in things like risks, practicality, and efficacy of treatment. To just simply tell the client that it's okay to go forth and try the untested wive's tails they've found on the internet would be unethical, as would be suggesting an untested treatment as a first line of defense when other options are available. You should go ahead with an untested treatment only if alongside traditional treatment, if other options have failed or are not available, or if the client refuses the other treatment after being advised otherwise, because they think it will cause more harm than good (it is the vet's job to make risks of treatment clear) or because it goes against their own ethics or they simply can't afford it.

Regardless of why the unproven treatment is being used, it is the vet's job to make it clear that the treatment in question has not been proven scientifically to work, and while it may not hurt the animal in and of itself, doing it in place of true treatment may hurt the animal. It is also the vet's job to point out that the animal may get better while on the untested treatment, but it may have nothing to do with the treatment whatsoever. Animals have these awesome things called immune systems and often get over things on their own.

To be perfectly honest though, a LOT of conventional medicine has very very poor evidence for it, very few things we do as vets are actually true "evidence based medicine" decisions. This is my main problem with people pooh-poohing alternative medicine - if you actually go look for it, it can be extremely hard to find scientific papers backing a lot of what you do. Practicing "evidence based medicine" is a very nice thing to say, but nigh impossible to actually do - for most things, the data simply just isnt there to truly practice evidence based medicine.

I agree with you regarding the appropriate times to use alternative medicine - I don't think it should ever be used as a first line treatment - however if you are not open minded about it, there is a section of business you are going to lose. Absolutely tell them there is little to no scientific backing and it may not help fluffy - but there would have to be relatively exceptional circumstances where I tell owners not to do it full stop, or try to discourage them.

I think if you go around telling owners "this has no scientific paper to back it etc I wouldnt recommend it" - you may open a can of worms for yourself if they start asking for evidence to support your other treatment choices 😉
 
To be perfectly honest though, a LOT of conventional medicine has very very poor evidence for it, very few things we do as vets are actually true "evidence based medicine" decisions. This is my main problem with people pooh-poohing alternative medicine - if you actually go look for it, it can be extremely hard to find scientific papers backing a lot of what you do. Practicing "evidence based medicine" is a very nice thing to say, but nigh impossible to actually do - for most things, the data simply just isnt there to truly practice evidence based medicine.

A lot of areas of conventional medicine may not have had controlled scientific studies done on them, but often there is a lot of case based evidence available. At least much of what we do in conventional medicine has the benefit of seeing such widespread use that we can at least anecdotally assume that it works. And some of it has the benefit of being well tested in humans at least, so we know that it in principle works, even if we don't know for sure that it works on whatever particular species we are dealing with. You just have to be a bit flexible with the meaning of the term "evidence."

Much of alternative medicine in animals just doesn't see enough widespread use nor has reliable enough anecdotes for us to be able to be able to evaluate it as effectively. Some areas of alternative medicine, especially supplements such as flax oil, fish oil, and glucosamine, are very widely used and at least anecdotally supported or have some hypothesized scientific principle to back them up. I've used many of these things on pets or even myself. I also think there are some useful ideas at work in holistic and natural medicine. But a lot of alternative medicine is based in principles that are supernatural or pseudoscientific in origin and really do nothing but give gullible people hope. As for the stuff in between, like herbal remedies and modern acupuncture, I believe they can have some effect, but not generally enough to be worth it nor always the precisely intended effect. I don't put too much stock in them, but I know some people do and I'm okay with that. I've given my cat some herbal based calming treatments and stress relief I've found at the pet store before, simply because I didn't have anything else left to try. Did they work? Well, they made him sleepy, perhaps, if you can count that as calm. And it got him to stop having a hyperventilating panic attack while I had him with me in the car on a cross country move. But I think that may have been more the action of him stopping to lick the tasty gel than it was the effect of any of the herbal ingredients.

There isn't always a clear distinction between what is an appropriate treatment and what is not. It's the vet's job to evaluate what evidence (or lack there of) there is of a treatment's success and risks, and use that information to advise the client on the best course of action. Thus it is the vet's job to figure out where to draw the line in each particular case between what is an appropriate primary treatment, what is an appropriate secondary or alternative treatment, and what is downright unacceptable to condone (fraud, medicine based on misinformation or inaccurate pseudoscience). Vets can't force their clients to take the better scientific or anecdotal option, but for the welfare of the animal, they have to try their best to make sure their clients are making an educated decision. If the client has their heart set on sprinkling herbs on their diabetic cat's food instead of giving it insulin and isn't interested in considering alternatives, then they probably wouldn't have bothered to come to see you in the first place (but you never know, some people do crave validation for their crazy ideas).

And sorry if this post got a bit long winded and slightly off the original point i was trying to make--I'm a notorious rambler, and I can only go back through and reread and try to succinctify my post so many times before I just don't care anymore...

And of course I wouldn't go around telling clients "this has no scientific paper to back it etc I wouldnt recommend it," otherwise I'd have to start handing out scientific articles with all my prescriptions! haha. 😛 I'd probably just say "I'm not aware of any strong evidence to support such and such treatment, but I also don't believe it will cause any harm to try it along with such and such conventional treatment."
 
Talk about bear root. Osha is an interesting story.
 
I know everyone is gearing up for interviews (Yay!) and I figure I will be asked this, as well as many others, so thought I'd start a thread for ideas because I didn't see one already. I know a lot of vet schools ask in interviews what your thoughts are on alternative/holistic medicine. However, I also know there are some vets that wholeheartedly believe in it, and some who laugh at it.

Can you guys think of a good way to answer this question? I can see both sides of the issue, but don't want to come off as wishy-washy.

Thanks!

Unless you advocate only tarrot card readings for cancer, I don't think your position itself matters so much as demonstrating that you've read and understand the different perspectives. Don't be afraid to take a position, but explain to them that you feel like you could go either way because of x, y and z.
 
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