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hello,
has anyone had experience with this snag? my application is being investigated for a small discrepancy.

i'm kinda nervous. what happens?

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SDNSkutboy said:
hello,
has anyone had experience with this snag? my application is being investigated for a small discrepancy.

i'm kinda nervous.

what kind of discrepancy? Is it for this year or last year's?
 
i'd rather not get into details, but trust me, its trivial (at least to me?). its for the 2004 cycle.
 
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SDNSkutboy said:
i'd rather not get into details, but trust me, its trivial (at least to me?). its for the 2004 cycle.

Did you get an acceptance? I had minor errors (according to me), caught it myself and AMCAS just told me to go ahead and fix it for this year.
 
hey there
did you get an official investigation notification?

can you go into details with the "go ahead and fix it for this year"?
 
man, your blood must have frozen when you saw that... 😱
hope everything turns out ok if you didn't do anything wrong.
 
are you serious? or are you just posting because other people have recently wondered whether amcas checks or not? i smell a troll somewhere.
 
crazy250 said:
are you serious? or are you just posting because other people have recently wondered whether amcas checks or not? i smell a troll somewhere.

Let's give him/her the benefit of the doubt?..although it is suspicious.

To the OP:

You should contact AMCAS not SDN with your question. If you think it is minor you better be sure that they do too.
 
calling bullshiat on this one. . . .
 
It is kinda odd that this is your only post.
 
I can vouch for the sincerity of this thread. The OP PMed me.
 
fullefect1 said:
It is kinda odd that this is your only post.

This is a site to help pre-meds. 👍 They could have been a longtime reader but never needed to post.
 
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Its going to be a thorough investigation. I'm talking about a K-Y jelly + a glove + walking funny the rest of the day investigation. Clenching up only makes it hurt worse.
 
indo said:
Its going to be a thorough investigation. I'm talking about a K-Y jelly + a glove + walking funny the rest of the day investigation. Clenching up only makes it hurt worse.

This is a serious question, these jokes belong in the lounge. 🙄

Now can someone with firsthand knowledge help the OP out?
 
coffeeluver said:
This is a serious question, these jokes belong in the lounge. 🙄

Now can someone with firsthand knowledge help the OP out?

Show me where it says that there can be no jokes in pre-allo. freeeek.
 
indo said:
Show me where it says that there can be no jokes in pre-allo. freeeek.

I'ts just not right in serious threads like an AMCAS investigation.

Don't worry, you're still funny, and your jokes are always welcomed (just not in this thread 😉 ).
 
coffeeluver said:
This is a serious question, these jokes belong in the lounge. 🙄

Now can someone with firsthand knowledge help the OP out?


how are we supposed to help him when we have no specific knowledge of the reason behind the investigation?
 
No first-hand knowledge here (some psuedo-second hand knowledge though)...but it would be beneficial to future students if the OP tells us how it goes...just one thing to keep in mind...If there is something placed on your AMCAS, with the intent to deceive, it is a BIG deal no matter how small the deception, as long as you did not intend to mislead anyone than It should all be just fine. As for if AMCAS checks or not, it doesn't really matter because 99% of the time your school will. I do know of a student who was deceitful on their application and AFTER acceptance and registration for classes...the registrar caught the "discrepancy", checked it out and reported it to the Dean and Academic Affairs.....bottom line...no med school for him that year, and it was an EXPENSIVE lie...
 
You've gotta tell us what the lie was that got him kicked out, Ryan! Inquiring minds... I often get paranoid about misappropriating my hours (unintentionally) or dates of commitment for EC's in college. I participate in so many that it's hard to remember two years out if I started in March or April 😛 So scared about inadvertently misrepresenting something and getting AMCAS on my back...
 
stinkycheese said:
You've gotta tell us what the lie was that got him kicked out, Ryan! Inquiring minds... I often get paranoid about misappropriating my hours (unintentionally) or dates of commitment for EC's in college. I participate in so many that it's hard to remember two years out if I started in March or April 😛 So scared about inadvertently misrepresenting something and getting AMCAS on my back...

without offending, i question the accuracy of that story, unless the individual failed to disclose a criminal record. don't worry about the minute details of the application. do you really think most people's application is 100% accurate? do you think anyone who matters in the admissions process is really that concerned?
 
stinkycheese said:
You've gotta tell us what the lie was that got him kicked out, Ryan! Inquiring minds... I often get paranoid about misappropriating my hours (unintentionally) or dates of commitment for EC's in college. I participate in so many that it's hard to remember two years out if I started in March or April 😛 So scared about inadvertently misrepresenting something and getting AMCAS on my back...


Me too! I didn't do anything on purpose, but what if I was wrong 🙁 🙁
AMCAS only asks you to certify that "to the best of my knowledge" everything is Kosher, right?
 
I have heard several AMCAS/AAMC representatives brief the application process and common mistakes that applicants make. At the end of their prepared remarks they often discuss the more unusual cases that they have seen. They have a "seen it all" attitude and I believe they know how to spot a discrepancy and distinguish it from an accident, a lie or other deliberate misrepresentation. Most applicants make minor mistakes on their application (lets face it, it's a large document and the instructions are open to some interpretation). They do not investigate mistakes, they correct them and continue to process the application up to some unadvertised threshold of errors which will cause them to return the unprocessed app back to the student. An investigation on a 2004 application at this point is probably not minor. AMCAS is incentivized to maintain the integrity of their service. Without more detail is impossible to provide any other opinion except that this is bad news for you.
 
:wow: 🙁

this is scary...but i guess if you were honest, little mistakes won't hurt you.
 
javandane said:
without offending, i question the accuracy of that story, unless the individual failed to disclose a criminal record....

Makes me wonder if AMCAS does random criminal background checks to verify that felony question....
 
what about National Clearinghouse?

I mean--I know when people are getting ready to take the bar after law school, "those people" do a very extensive and rigorous background check on people taking the exam.
 
So, what you're saying is that you applied 2004 cycle and now you applied again and these two applications are different in some significant way that has caused you a problem. Am I right?

If you don't give us details, how can we know or even infer if it's a real problem.
 
Ryan

What's the details of the story you've heard about? You wrote that the registrar caught the "discrepancy", checked it out and reported it to the Dean and Academic Affairs. I can't think of what this person could have done. What did this person do?
 
Lil'Bunny said:
Ryan

What's the details of the story you've heard about? You wrote that the registrar caught the "discrepancy", checked it out and reported it to the Dean and Academic Affairs. I can't think of what this person could have done. What did this person do?

Here's something that COULD have happened (just a guess):

Mr. X takes courses at two different colleges. Submits only 1 college transcript to AMCAS. AMCAS, being overwhelmed and understaffed, does not see the "transfer credit" on the college transcript. The registrar, sees this when the final transcript is sent and "checks into it."

NUMBER 2:

There was a "discrepancy" between the primary and secondary applications. This can easily happen due to lack of oversight on the applicants part.

I can't really see anything more than a difference between the apps or courses. Any thoughts?
 
Jason110 said:
Here's something that COULD have happened (just a guess):

Mr. X takes courses at two different colleges. Submits only 1 college transcript to AMCAS. AMCAS, being overwhelmed and understaffed, does not see the "transfer credit" on the college transcript. The registrar, sees this when the final transcript is sent and "checks into it."

NUMBER 2:

There was a "discrepancy" between the primary and secondary applications. This can easily happen due to lack of oversight on the applicants part.

I can't really see anything more than a difference between the apps or courses. Any thoughts?

No, I think the guy who made the post was trying to tell everyone to be careful about all your ECs and the information you disclose in the personal statement because 99% of the time, the school will check all your facts. His story prolly has nothing to do with courses or apps because AMCAS checks all that the first time. The only deceit the med school would have found later would be in some other area of the application. Althought, I doubt they will kick you out if you failed to mention you stopped volunteering for three weeks because of a death in the family, if your contact person's name is Anne (with and "e") and you spelled it Ann, or if you rounded a 38.75-hour work week to 40 full-time hours. That kind of stuff just doesn't make THAT big of a difference.
 
VFrank said:
No, I think the guy who made the post was trying to tell everyone to be careful about all your ECs and the information you disclose in the personal statement because 99% of the time, the school will check all your facts. His story prolly has nothing to do with courses or apps because AMCAS checks all that the first time. The only deceit the med school would have found later would be in some other area of the application. Althought, I doubt they will kick you out if you failed to mention you stopped volunteering for three weeks because of a death in the family, if your contact person's name is Anne (with and "e") and you spelled it Ann, or if you rounded a 38.75-hour work week to 40 full-time hours. That kind of stuff just doesn't make THAT big of a difference.

I'm confused by your post. Do you mean he had something criminal that was not mentioned? Or are you just implying that he didn't state everything correctly in his ECs/PS. In either case, don't lie on the App.
 
the idea of amcas veryifying anyone's application beyond the numbers portion is simply ludicrous. they receive tens of thousands of applications every year. avg. ten or so ECs per applicant--do the math. that's a hell of a lot of phone calls to make.

as far as medical schools checking up, well, i doubt that, too. again, they don't have unlimited man hours to devote to such things, especially during the admissions process. and re: the story of the guy who was expelled after admission, it just doesn't sound right. last time i checked, employers don't verify references after they've hired someone. why would a school bother to?
 
Jason110 said:
I'm confused by your post. Do you mean he had something criminal that was not mentioned? Or are you just implying that he didn't state everything correctly in his ECs/PS. In either case, don't lie on the App.


I'm saying perhaps he didn't state everything correctly on the ECs/PS. And I'm not saying to lie, but if you've already submitted AMCAS, it's not worth fretting over if you may have written something down wrong. If it was an honest mistake, then I'm sure you'll be fine. Geez, this website sure does have a way of freaking out already neurotic premeds!
 
javandane said:
the idea of amcas veryifying anyone's application beyond the numbers portion is simply ludicrous. they receive tens of thousands of applications every year. avg. ten or so ECs per applicant--do the math. that's a hell of a lot of phone calls to make.

as far as medical schools checking up, well, i doubt that, too. again, they don't have unlimited man hours to devote to such things, especially during the admissions process. and re: the story of the guy who was expelled after admission, it just doesn't sound right. last time i checked, employers don't verify references after they've hired someone. why would a school bother to?

Think about it...there are thousands of applicants that apply each year, but only a certain number receive acceptances. Now that AMCAS/AAMC knows who is accepted, wouldn't it be easier for them to go to applications of accepted students and do doublechecks?
 
coffeeluver said:
Think about it...there are thousands of applicants that apply each year, but only a certain number receive acceptances. Now that AMCAS/AAMC knows who is accepted, wouldn't it be easier for them to go to applications of accepted students and do doublechecks?

You've got to realize, though, that as soon as everyone is accepted (people off the waitlist, etc), it's already August and the next round of applications is well underway. It's not like everyone at AMCAS just sits around and watches porn six months out of the year.
 
VFrank said:
You've got to realize, though, that as soon as everyone is accepted (people off the waitlist, etc), it's already August and the next round of applications is well underway. It's not like everyone at AMCAS just sits around and watches porn six months out of the year.

But there's not a time limit on when AMCAS does investigations. Heck, they can decide to investigate your apps during 4th year if they wanted to. They don't have to do all investigations before students matriculate, you know.
 
It could be about where you live. Residency for many state schools is a main criteria. If there is a problem with your residency, it could be grounds for dismissal in some states.
 
VFrank said:
No, I think the guy who made the post was trying to tell everyone to be careful about all your ECs and the information you disclose in the personal statement because 99% of the time, the school will check all your facts. His story prolly has nothing to do with courses or apps because AMCAS checks all that the first time. The only deceit the med school would have found later would be in some other area of the application. Althought, I doubt they will kick you out if you failed to mention you stopped volunteering for three weeks because of a death in the family, if your contact person's name is Anne (with and "e") and you spelled it Ann, or if you rounded a 38.75-hour work week to 40 full-time hours. That kind of stuff just doesn't make THAT big of a difference.

I think you're mistaken. THere is a trust factor involved. No one is gonna check all your facts. To do that, they'd need the budget of a small country.
 
There was an application that came through the admissions committee this year that had 80 hours of volunteer service listed while working part time and going to school. The student was probably just thinking back to what he or she did that semester and estimating without really adding it up, and it wasn't intentional. Not AMCAS related, but little things you may not think about. Needless to say, the person didn't get accepted. Just be careful what you put down.
 
I worry about a few things... First of all, I did do a ton of activities while in college. I was involved in crew 15 hours + a week while working 5-8 hours a week and attending school full time. I just budgeted my time. But it looks unrealistic!

Secondly, I declared a NJ state residence while I am actually physically in New York. I have my NJ liscence and I plan to move back in a few months. Meanwhile, I'm paying taxes in NYC. It looks like it will be a close call as to what state I qualify for residency in, and I've read the NJ requirements and it seems as though as long as I start paying taxes and living in NJ a year before the start of the school year, I'm good.

I'm so paranoid about these things!
 
Why did the Ad Com assume that 80 hours was unreasonable over the course of a full semester? School time = 20 hours/week, job time = 20 hours/week, volunteer time could equal 8 hours/week, and then the rest for studying and fun time. Not fair to dismiss the app just because it doesn't seem like it adds up to the Adcom without clarifing with student. I worked in my lab 20 hours/week for two years. Are they going to summarily dismiss my application because they don't believe me? What am I supposd to do, lie to make it seem like I did less? That's stupid.
 
stinkycheese said:
Why did the Ad Com assume that 80 hours was unreasonable over the course of a full semester? School time = 20 hours/week, job time = 20 hours/week, volunteer time could equal 8 hours/week, and then the rest for studying and fun time. Not fair to dismiss the app just because it doesn't seem like it adds up to the Adcom without clarifing with student. I worked in my lab 20 hours/week for two years. Are they going to summarily dismiss my application because they don't believe me? What am I supposd to do, lie to make it seem like I did less? That's stupid.
He said: "80 hours of volunteer service listed while working part time and going to school." So 80 hours volunteer + school + work = at least 120 hours. I think that is stretching it a bit. That would leave 6.8 hours of free time/sleep per day. I know we are going to do that in residency, but I don't know anyone that insane in undergrad.
 
Only if there was a subset agency underneith the department of education, that has a database that all volunteer coordinators and all student services departments of universities have to add in volunteering/leadership activities with exact dates and hours and it should be federally regulated so all would be requied to do so. This way, AMCAS can create a simple computer generated program to cross-check applicants numbers with numbers in this federal database. It won't even cost that much money.
 
Eyecon82 said:
Only if there was a subset agency underneith the department of education, that has a database that all volunteer coordinators and all student services departments of universities have to add in volunteering/leadership activities with exact dates and hours and it should be federally regulated so all would be requied to do so. This way, AMCAS can create a simple computer generated program to cross-check applicants numbers with numbers in this federal database. It won't even cost that much money.


I just got a letter from the hospital
 
I think everyone is getting a little crazy here. AMCAS is not investigating EC's. Med schools might if they are RIDICULOUS or stand out significantly. i doubt anyone is going to contact the hospital you volunteered at to make sure you spent time working in the ER.

Also, we don't give phone numbers. So on top of having to make the calls, AMCAS and/or Adcoms would have to locate these people. It would take forever. Maybe certain red flags go up if they read you worked for the surgeon general or something.

Finally, we still don't know what the original poster was being investigated for. Since it's AMCAS, its most likely a transcript issue, or maybe some kind of felony thing. Without more details, it's stupid to start worrying if the adcoms are going to make a fuss over how many hours you spent playing soccer, versus working in your lab.
 
I wish we could call AMCAS/Adcoms about this without looking shady: "Hi, I'm applying to go to med school and I was just wondering...do you really check my EC's? Not that I would ever lie, of course...just wanted to settle a little debate between friends..." :laugh:
 
hey SDNSkutboy, i know you dont want to give details, and thats cool. but can you at least tell us where the discrepancy comes into play? ie - transcripts, ECs, PS, whatever?

you've got a lot of people making some crazy theories
 
Rugger81 said:
hey SDNSkutboy, i know you dont want to give details, and thats cool. but can you at least tell us where the discrepancy comes into play? ie - transcripts, ECs, PS, whatever?

you've got a lot of people making some crazy theories


why does it even matter, not like we're going to find out who this person is, unless he posted in his sig where he goes to school, his name, and so forth. This is an anonymous forum anywayz
 
I'm not interested in who is he, what he did, or even if he is a HE or a SHE.

I'm curious as to what area of the application AMCAS would be investigating.

All I asked was what part of the application had a discrepancy. Not interested in his/her personal life.
 
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