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For those who have already taken or taking gross anatomy, how much time and effort did you devote to it? For me right now, it's crazy, it has basically become my life. I spend around 12 hours a day stuyding and still am behind. On dissection days, it's even worse. Is this normal?

I never worked so hard before, and it feels like everyday it's studying for a final exam. And yet, I'm so afraid I might fail my first exam in couple of weeks (60% is passing). I get sweat spells whenever I think about failing (a lot of the time).

It's just so much info to memorize and commit to memory, and after a while, all the terms and locations, nerves, bones, muscles, blood vessels just kind of blend into each other in my thoughts, and everything gets confusing.

I'm already kind of getting depressed and it's only couple weeks into med school. All I do all day is study in the library, and yet things aren't sticking in my head.🙁 Anyone had similar experience in gross anatomy?
 
For those who have already taken or taking gross anatomy, how much time and effort did you devote to it? For me right now, it's crazy, it has basically become my life. I spend around 12 hours a day stuyding and still am behind. On dissection days, it's even worse. Is this normal?

I never worked so hard before, and it feels like everyday it's studying for a final exam. And yet, I'm so afraid I might fail my first exam in couple of weeks (60% is passing). I get sweat spells whenever I think about failing (a lot of the time).

It's just so much info to memorize and commit to memory, and after a while, all the terms and locations, nerves, bones, muscles, blood vessels just kind of blend into each other in my thoughts, and everything gets confusing.

I'm already kind of getting depressed and it's only couple weeks into med school. All I do all day is study in the library, and yet things aren't sticking in my head.🙁

I think it's normal. You'll feel better after your first test and when you figure out how to study more efficiently.
 
mneumonics and repetition are key. anatomy is probably the most time consuming class for your first year. just keep drawing things over and over again and it'll stick eventually
 
Yes that was me first year in anatomy. Non-stop studying. Just keep chugging.
 
You're going to have a moment sooner or later where something clicks and you realize the best way for you to study. Then things flow better. I won't say they get easier, but you won't have as hard a time putting everything together once you figure out the best way to absorb the information.
 
University of Michigan practice questions for the clinical side, netters flash cards and a white board + lots of time in the anatomy lab with the cadavers for the practical side. This formula worked for me last year.
 
Elmo, I'm feeling the same way and I'm only a week into school 🙁

Just finished studying for the night, although every other night I have finished around 10. Nights before dissections are going to suck.

Hope everything gets better for both of us and every one who's feeling the same way. According to most it doesn't necessarily get better but you learn how to be more efficient and you get used to the workload. Here's to hoping we catch on quickly 😀
 
From my experience with Anatomy the most productive learning comes from actually being in the lab- a ton! Spend time in the lab. Draw structures/relationships/paths of nerves etc. Do the questions at the end of the BRS Anatomy chapters. Good luck.
 
Gross anatomy DOES take some adjusting from other courses. Ask some of the second-years about their approach to the class. This was invaluable for me. Your first test will help hone your study techniques but you don't want to risk a failure. Ask for help.
 
Pre-study. Learn about the muscles/organs/bones/whatnot, look at pictures, and get a sense of where things should be and why they should be there. Then go to the lab and spend hours confirming what you just learned. Then go home and review. Maybe, at some point, eat a meal.
 
It's a time sink. Netters= win.

IT gets a lot easier once you get moving (ie through MSK).
 
Gross is a struggle with respect to time management, amount of information, smell, etc.
What I found helpful was drawing out my own diagrams, reviewing Netter flashcards, and most importantly, spending lots of time in the lab after hours. Used to go there late at night and study either by myself, or with a study group of sorts. We'd pull up prosections and go over the pertinent anatomy. Just point to a structure and identify it.
It gets easier over time.
 
Gross sucks for the first few weeks and especially before your first test. Once you figure out how you study best and what kind of grade that translates to you'll feel like you have a better hold. By the time I was done with the second exam (of four) I was able to study a little in the evenings and then take time off to have a life. It does get better.
 
If you are actually spending 12 hrs/day studying and still in fear of scoring <60% then something is wrong. You need to change your study schedule, strategy, locations, something. If you're skipping class, start going. If you're going to class, start skipping. Change it up and figure it out because it's nuts to put in 12hrs/day with only 60% yield.
 
I know how you feel because I felt the same way the first two or three days. It took forever to go through the materials because of the amount of information thrown at you.

For me, it's all about repetition, repetition, and repetition. It's OK to not remember everything the first time around, but as you go through the materials over and over again, it'll start to sink in!

I studied about 3 hrs/night at first just because there wasn't as much material to cover, but now, I'm doing about 5-6 hours/night to cover 3 1-hour lectures. I'm not sure if I'm studying a lot compared to my classmates, but it seems like everyone studies at least 4 hours/night now...especially after the disaster quiz this morning.

Hang in there! And since you're starting to feel depressed, maybe go talk to the medical school counselor/psychiatrist. It might help just to be able to talk about your stress!
 
wake up at 5 in the morning and start chugging that netters on dissection day that includes drawing it all out and getting a mental picture of the anatomy + mnemonics to help recall, get some anatomy dvds that they sell at the bookstore and watch it over lunch and dinner, and read the clinically orientated anatomy before sleep.
if that fails, study group and regurgitate what you learned from the day before to your group, its a great way to reinforce your anatomy knowledge.
 
It doesn't get any easier, you just sort of get used to it, then you actually learn how to learn and you become faster- Discipline is the key 🙂
Anatomy can even make people cry, its true. I remember the first time I opened the book. It took me almost an hour to actually learn a few pages. I never felt so dumb.

And I'd say for anatomy you need at least 4-5 hours a day. And definitely prepare for dissections. Netter is great, and so is Werner Platzer, fits perfectly in your white coat pocket ! Very useful for repeating.
 
I found that going into the lab with a couple people pointing out and quizing each other helped...but gross did suck. You'll be done with it soon and then you'll realize how much you'll hate pure lecture based classes compared to the more hands on anatomy
 
Might not be the best idea, but a few of us befriended the janitor and he would let us in on evenings or even Saturdays 😳 Just real quickly, 15 minutes or so to repeat and go through all the structures 😀
 
The first few weeks are rough because you have to figure out your own learning style via trial and error. Error over and over again doesn't do great stuff for your self esteem. I remember a breakdown moment for me in the first weeks of M1 year crying and calling my husband telling him that clearly I had some sort of undiagnosed learning disability and that there had been some awful mistake letting me in to medschool 🙄 Anyway you'll find your groove in a few weeks and then it will be alot of hard work but you'll at least feel like you're getting it as you chug along. Then next year they'll up the workload again and you'll adjust again. Then third year they'll have you studying while sleep deprived and having worked all day in the hospital, and you'll adjust again. Basically get used to being really flexible and keep trying new study methods until you reach an efficiency you can live with and that gets you the scores you want on exams. And know that almost everyone feels exactly like you do right now. Those who look calm and cool are probably just hiding it better than you, or haven't realized how behind they are yet.
 
Yes just keep studying and hang in there. Anatomy sucks. I failed a bunch of the tests in med school and was so depressed when I was a first year. Reading your post was giving me flashbacks to what I myself went through. Just keep studying and also do some review questions. I don't know if your school gives you old tests or not, but if they do, that can be very helpful. Try going to sit in a classroom and writing the stuff out on a whiteboard over and over again until you have it memorized. Just remeber that if you do poorly in anatomy it is not the end of the world. I failed a bunch of my anatomy tests in med school but I still ended up at my top choice program in ophthalmology which is one of the most competitive specialties. Hang in there and don't give up! You can do it!!!!!!! :luck:
 
It's okay. It's the first few weeks and anatomy is genuinely the most time intensive course you'll take in terms of physical hours spent in lab. You'll figure it out!
 
Yes just keep studying and hang in there. Anatomy sucks. I failed a bunch of the tests in med school and was so depressed when I was a first year. Reading your post was giving me flashbacks to what I myself went through. Just keep studying and also do some review questions. I don't know if your school gives you old tests or not, but if they do, that can be very helpful. Try going to sit in a classroom and writing the stuff out on a whiteboard over and over again until you have it memorized. Just remeber that if you do poorly in anatomy it is not the end of the world. I failed a bunch of my anatomy tests in med school but I still ended up at my top choice program in ophthalmology which is one of the most competitive specialties. Hang in there and don't give up! You can do it!!!!!!! :luck:

👍👍👍👍 excellent advice
 
I'm in a similar situation. I just had my test and although I did pass (70% is passing), I feel like I'm just memorizing random bits with no organization.

I stopped going to lecture because I didn't like how it was being thought but tried reading our scribes/transcripts and it's not really helpful. I have netter's and the flashcards, being in Lab helps a Bit. I'm wondering if you guys think reading big moore, granted if i have the time, would be helpful? I have access to both little and big, I looked at little and well it seems like of barebone to what I need to know. I'll try big moore for this block but is it worth going through (again granted I have the time?)

sorry and about drawing things out...what exactly am I drawing out? Ex// Am I writing the three branches of the Aortic Arch are x,y,x and they branch to a,b,c? etc?

Thanks and sorry If I hijacked this thread :X
 
Do you have Rohen's for the cadaveric photographs? I used Rohen a lot more than Netter since it took too much time to look at both atlas books.

The Rohen flashcards were only 11 dollars (shipping included!) on ebay.

I liked Moore and Dalley but it is somewhat time intensive.

I'm in a similar situation. I just had my test and although I did pass (70% is passing), I feel like I'm just memorizing random bits with no organization.

I stopped going to lecture because I didn't like how it was being thought but tried reading our scribes/transcripts and it's not really helpful. I have netter's and the flashcards, being in Lab helps a Bit. I'm wondering if you guys think reading big moore, granted if i have the time, would be helpful? I have access to both little and big, I looked at little and well it seems like of barebone to what I need to know. I'll try big moore for this block but is it worth going through (again granted I have the time?)

sorry and about drawing things out...what exactly am I drawing out? Ex// Am I writing the three branches of the Aortic Arch are x,y,x and they branch to a,b,c? etc?

Thanks and sorry If I hijacked this thread :X
 
The further along you get, the more you realize that medical school -> residency is a progressive incline of difficulty and complexity designed to prepare you for managing your own practice and the hundreds to thousands of patients in your practice. Part of learning to be a competent physician (perhaps the most important part) is learning to be efficient while also remaining thorough and competent.

When you first start medical school, a single subject such as gross anatomy will take intense amounts of focus and effort. As you progress in your pre-clinical years, the amount of material increases, but you will find ways to be more efficient. You'll learn what study techniques work (and don't work) for you. You'll learn where and when to apply maximum effort, and where you can scale back to regain sanity. And your ability to absorb and retain information increases in kind. Likewise, when you first start your clinical years, you will find yourself expending an inordinate amount of effort learning and memorizing everything about your patients, because you don't know what is important yet so you have to know everything. Then you gradually transition, learn what is important, and can successfully evaluate and work up a patient in much less time. As an intern, you are getting used to managing multiple patients, often feel overwhelmed at the volume of work and learning how to keep patients straight. Then you get the hang of it... until you become a chief and you have to manage an entire service on your own.

Recognize that it's normal to feel overwhelmed. But that those feelings will pass and you will become better at what you do. Also realize that you will feel overwhelmed in the future. But ultimately, it's all about making you into a competent physician. And the system has worked for a long time at producing physicians that can manage effectively on their own. You'll get there it time.
 
For those who have already taken or taking gross anatomy, how much time and effort did you devote to it? For me right now, it's crazy, it has basically become my life. I spend around 12 hours a day stuyding and still am behind. On dissection days, it's even worse. Is this normal?

I never worked so hard before, and it feels like everyday it's studying for a final exam. And yet, I'm so afraid I might fail my first exam in couple of weeks (60% is passing). I get sweat spells whenever I think about failing (a lot of the time).

It's just so much info to memorize and commit to memory, and after a while, all the terms and locations, nerves, bones, muscles, blood vessels just kind of blend into each other in my thoughts, and everything gets confusing.

I'm already kind of getting depressed and it's only couple weeks into med school. All I do all day is study in the library, and yet things aren't sticking in my head.🙁 Anyone had similar experience in gross anatomy?

Focus on triaging what you REALLY need to know and know them cold. The rest is just gravy.

Is 60% really pass at your school? It's 75% for us.
 
For those who have already taken or taking gross anatomy, how much time and effort did you devote to it? For me right now, it's crazy, it has basically become my life. I spend around 12 hours a day stuyding and still am behind. On dissection days, it's even worse. Is this normal?

I never worked so hard before, and it feels like everyday it's studying for a final exam. And yet, I'm so afraid I might fail my first exam in couple of weeks (60% is passing). I get sweat spells whenever I think about failing (a lot of the time).

It's just so much info to memorize and commit to memory, and after a while, all the terms and locations, nerves, bones, muscles, blood vessels just kind of blend into each other in my thoughts, and everything gets confusing.

I'm already kind of getting depressed and it's only couple weeks into med school. All I do all day is study in the library, and yet things aren't sticking in my head.🙁 Anyone had similar experience in gross anatomy?

OP, don't be depressed. Anatomy has the potential to totally overwhelm. And, the learning curve is really steep for every exam. I always hated the thing we were learning about initially, all the minutia, and then ended up liking it in the end after it was over. But, if ALL you're doing is studying ALL DAY in the library, I'd suggest putting away the books for a couple hours a day to exercise or get some sanity. It definitely relieves stress and helps out somehow. I always found I was much more efficient at memorizing when I relaxed a little and had some fun on the side. As a side note, it may actually make people smarter to read about novel things regularly, and to exercise ...there is data that shows upregulation of brain derived neurotrophic factor in the hippocampus 🙂 MS1 is a marathon, not a sprint. Don't just try to endure it or even enjoy it, convince yourself you love it.

Regarding anatomy specifically, the norm for hours totally depends on your school's schedule. 12 hours a day would be totally different for a 1 month course than a 5 month course like mine was, so it's hard to know. I could see spending full days every day if it was an accelerated course, but you'd be done with that routine very quickly, obviously. My advice is to spend as much time in the lab as possible. Meaning, learn Netters as well as you can (or whatever text/notes you use), but also spend as much time in the lab as possible. You'll see how lab time will make Netters time more efficient, and it won't really add time to your routine. Also, sometimes I basically went to the lab for study breaks before exams. The learning is so different that while all the material is the same, it's like the part of your brain that's studying is not.

Regarding lab work, the learning is not a book/atlas/mnemonic type thing, it's all about getting an intuitive feel for the way the nerves and vessels look at certain places. The lingual nerve just looks a little different in size and shape than the hypoglossal, for example, and each of these are different than the glosopharyngeal. But you have to spend time staring in those bodies, with some knowledge from Netters and with some other students who have dissected, to notice those things. When you go back to Netters, you'll be picturing the cadavers and not the drawings. Thats what made anatomy fun for me. But I didn't figure it out until the end.

The lab is an amazing opportunity and learning experience, but it feels slow and inefficient while you're in there. It's easy to think that Netters is all you need to know and you could figure out the anatomy based on that during a practical, and that's what I thought and did successfully for half the course, but I murdered it (and started enjoying it more) once I figured out that you actually do learn when you're in the lab. It's just a totally different style of learning that I was uncomfortable and impatient with at first.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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