Another For-Profit COM to open in Minnesota

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So a banker can just found a for-profit school and COCA won't even bat an eye....
 
So a banker can just found a for-profit school and COCA won't even bat an eye....
the new for-profit Burrell COM was founded by and named after a billionaire real estate investor in NM. It plans to open with 162 students and ultimately expand to 300/class.
 
the new for-profit Burrell COM was founded by and named after a billionaire real estate investor in NM. It plans to open with 162 students and ultimately expand to 300/class.


I really think at the very least COCA needs to change class size requirements. The Max a class should be is 220 as any larger has obvious detriments to the classes education and especially for PCM & OS it becomes a scheduling challenge.
 
I really think at the very least COCA needs to change class size requirements. The Max a class should be is 220 as any larger has obvious detriments to the classes education and especially for PCM & OS it becomes a scheduling challenge.
I also can't understand how they think that a starting class of 150 is a good idea for a branch campus. 60-75 maybe... but 150? Come on.
 
I also can't understand how they think that a starting class of 150 is a good idea for a branch campus. 60-75 maybe... but 150? Come on.
162 with COCA's additional 8% allowance.
 
New MD schools around here start with class sizes of ~50, this is with 50M+ and solid local rotations at teaching hospitals already in place. COCA has only one standard, $$. They are selling you guys out.


This not to mention that your first class almost always has their tuition waived. Idk, I think the way COCA allows for reckless DO expansion is offensive to the profession and is dangerous to the existing DO schools and their students who have them all lumped together by most MD PDs.
 
Thank god I'll be in residency just before these schools start to graduate students
 
This not to mention that your first class almost always has their tuition waived. Idk, I think the way COCA allows for reckless DO expansion is offensive to the profession and is dangerous to the existing DO schools and their students who have them all lumped together by most MD PDs.
Unfortunately that standard has been going by the wayside with many of the new schools.
 
Unfortunately that standard has been going by the wayside with many of the new schools.

Like I said, it's a big shame the way the degree is being eroded. My only peace of mind these days is that I'll be able to get MD boarded and as such no one can ever doubt whether or not I went to good school or a shack in a fly by state like some DO schools.
 
This not to mention that your first class almost always has their tuition waived. Idk, I think the way COCA allows for reckless DO expansion is offensive to the profession and is dangerous to the existing DO schools and their students who have them all lumped together by most MD PDs.
Not to mention that BCOM as a for-profit institution is ineligible for federal student loan dollars for two years. Those students attending there the first two years will have to take out private loans which come with higher interest rates and no loan forgiveness or deferment plans.
 
Let's not pretend that MDs are not going to be affected by this also. The only saving grace is that the supply of docs will be limited by the # of residency spots. Big med is going the way of big law.

In the end, it won't affect me a single bit because I will be going to a ACGME residency through the military. Finally, I'm glad that that DOs and MDs will finally be merged into one single residency match. Standards for DOs will be raised substantially for new schools.
 
Let's not pretend that MDs are not going to be affected by this also. The only saving grace is that the supply of docs will be limited by the # of residency spots. Big med is going the way of big law.

In the end, it won't affect me a single bit because I will be going to a ACGME residency through the military. Finally, I'm glad that that DOs and MDs will finally be merged into one single residency match. Standards for DOs will be raised substantially for new schools.


Fundamentally that's my hope. That the merger is a start of more collaboration and higher standards on these new DO schools.
 

There never was a doctor shortage to begin with, only an issue with distribution and the fact that most medical students choose specialties over primary care. I am starting to think that COCA has decided to speak for all of us and has decided to keep expanding schools to the point where primary care will become the only career option for DOs in the not too distant future. It was actually like this not too long ago, and its only been relatively recently that you started seeing DOs training alongside with MDs, with the merger this will continue, but my guess is that if schools keep opening at this rate, most of DO graduates will get into the residencies that the MDs did not want.

Even with this merger, I would not bet on it putting DOs on equal footing as MDs given the fact that there are so many new schools. Are there going to be more GME spots for these new graduates?
 
Let's not pretend that MDs are not going to be affected by this also. The only saving grace is that the supply of docs will be limited by the # of residency spots. Big med is going the way of big law.

In the end, it won't affect me a single bit because I will be going to a ACGME residency through the military. Finally, I'm glad that that DOs and MDs will finally be merged into one single residency match. Standards for DOs will be raised substantially for new schools.
The standards won't change until DOs stop matching. The COCA is already sliding backwards on their accreditation standards, much to my chagrin. It honestly doesn't look good. The MDs will be the last to suffer- first we'll eat our own.
 
The standards won't change until DOs stop matching. The COCA is already sliding backwards on their accreditation standards, much to my chagrin. It honestly doesn't look good. The MDs will be the last to suffer- first we'll eat our own.


Who really knows how it will all play out. I think at some point in this whole mess there will be more movement and action by individual DO schools to take control of their own futures, protect their student's abilities to match in respectable residencies and not be associated with the random weeds that are sprouting.

But that's my opinion. I think there is a certain pride in the osteopathic field but likewise there is pride in high scores, good outcomes, and residency match lists that shoot for the stars. For a reversal to happen will undoubtedly spur action.
 
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Whatever though. I'll beat all the noobs to residency, and then just get to forget about their suffering and move the **** on to practice, just like my forefathers did before me.
 
The standards won't change until DOs stop matching. The COCA is already sliding backwards on their accreditation standards, much to my chagrin. It honestly doesn't look good. The MDs will be the last to suffer- first we'll eat our own.

Yup, I can feel and smell it too. Thank god that my professional career will be judged on the place of my residency instead of my actual school.
 
I bet it would be fun to spend 4 years in a town of 2,000 people in Minnesota 50 miles away from everything. Probably would get to see a big diversity of different cases on clinical rotations too.
 
This not to mention that your first class almost always has their tuition waived. Idk, I think the way COCA allows for reckless DO expansion is offensive to the profession and is dangerous to the existing DO schools and their students who have them all lumped together by most MD PDs.
I've never heard any school waive tuition for first class.
 
I've never heard any school waive tuition for first class.


Almost every first class MD school does that or half tuition waive. It's traditionally done as both insurance for the issues involving being in a first year class but also because the school could in theory flop.
 
Almost every first class MD school does that or half tuition waive. It's traditionally done as both insurance for the issues involving being in a first year class but also because the school could in theory flop.
Oh, you meant MD school! Ok.
 
Danza groups....same freaking group that coordinated Touro branch campuses in CA NV NYC Middletown now this?? Lol they gotta stop and actually start investing in their already existing 4 schools. this is their fifth lol
 
Not to mention that BCOM as a for-profit institution is ineligible for federal student loan dollars for two years. Those students attending there the first two years will have to take out private loans which come with higher interest rates and no loan forgiveness or deferment plans.

That isn't entirely true. I took out private loans b/c my interest rate was ~3%. Federal rate is 6.8%. Just sayin
 
Jeez, people turn down Mayo because it's in Minnesota, how the hell do they expect people to go here?
 
*sigh* When will this "for profit" business end? It's sad that education is treated this way; it's bad for the students and the country.
 
*sigh* When will this "for profit" business end? It's sad that education is treated this way; it's bad for the students and the country.

I always knew that it was a bad idea for COCA to say yes to RVU, now they created a monster, they said yes to a second branch campus of RVU, now another for profit DO school is opening. This is bad, really bad.
 
I always knew that it was a bad idea for COCA to say yes to RVU, now they created a monster, they said yes to a second branch campus of RVU, now another for profit DO school is opening. This is bad, really bad.
to be fair, there is also Cal Northstate. But then again, COCA probably has more to lose by permitting for-profit institutions than LCME does...
 
Jeez, people turn down Mayo because it's in Minnesota, how the hell do they expect people to go here?

Applicants who got into Mayo probably had other options.

If someone is applying to a brand new DO school in the middle of nowhere then they either like the area or don't have many options available to them.
 
Applicants who got into Mayo probably had other options.

If someone is applying to a brand new DO school in the middle of nowhere then they either like the area or don't have many options available to them.

Its probably the latter, but some DO schools get applicants because of their locales.
 
As long as schools do what BCOM is doing, 115 ACGME residency positions created and soon to be 150+, and a research requirement for all students to graduate, I don't see an issue with for profit DO schools opening up in obscure areas and cities that otherwise can not raise enough money to build a medical school.

There is a shortage of all physicians, even in specialties. Primary care especially. Our population is old and in the next 5 years even more physicians will be needed.

For profit education is bad when there is no or little regulation. As long as there is the LCME and COCA things will be fine, and additional funding that these schools have will benefit students.


RVUCOM has some of the highest board scores in the nation and good match lists. BCOM has made over a 100 new residency positions.

Also keep in mind what ultimately matters is your board scores, strength of clinical rotations, etc not your schools tax status.

NP and PA are being given prescribing rights in certain states, Optometrists are fighting for expanded scope of practice that threatens ophthalmologists, psychologists vs psychiatrists....

These battles won't go away. This is another one. We just have to ensure these new schools are being held accountable (create residencies)
 
As long as schools do what BCOM is doing, 115 ACGME residency positions created and soon to be 150+, and a research requirement for all students to graduate, I don't see an issue with for profit DO schools opening up in obscure areas and cities that otherwise can not raise enough money to build a medical school.

There is a shortage of all physicians, even in specialties. Primary care especially. Our population is old and in the next 5 years even more physicians will be needed.

For profit education is bad when there is no or little regulation. As long as there is the LCME and COCA things will be fine, and additional funding that these schools have will benefit students.


RVUCOM has some of the highest board scores in the nation and good match lists. BCOM has made over a 100 new residency positions.

Also keep in mind what ultimately matters is your board scores, strength of clinical rotations, etc not your schools tax status.

NP and PA are being given prescribing rights in certain states, Optometrists are fighting for expanded scope of practice that threatens ophthalmologists, psychologists vs psychiatrists....

These battles won't go away. This is another one. We just have to ensure these new schools are being held accountable (create residencies)

I like BCOM, even though it is for profit, its also being responsible by creating GME training positions rather than simply creating more graduates that will be competing with other graduates for residencies. RVU might have excellent board pass rates but its a school that is making its owners rich, I have not heard much else besides the school giving degrees to its graduates.
 
the new for-profit Burrell COM was founded by and named after a billionaire real estate investor in NM. It plans to open with 162 students and ultimately expand to 300/class.
300/class? Where are you getting your information?
 
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