Antibiotic choices for different bugs

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Is there supposed to be any logic to this or is it just memorization? I don't see anything except memorizing, but want to make sure I'm not missing something before I punish myself too much trying to learn it

Gracias!
 
Is there supposed to be any logic to this or is it just memorization? I don't see anything except memorizing, but want to make sure I'm not missing something before I punish myself too much trying to learn it

Gracias!

This will be very general, and someone else can come along and elaborate further or correct me, but it basically boils down to gram positive vs. gram-negative; aerobe vs. anaerobe. Sensitivities change your choices.

Penicillins work okay for sensitive gram-positives (Staph and Strep) and especially syphilis. Nafcillin for MSSA; vancomycin for MRSA. Aminopenicillins (like amoxicillin) have broader gram-negative coverage.

As a general rule, the higher the generation of cephalosporins, the greater gram-negative coverage you have. Many Enterococcus species are intrinsically resistant to cephalosporins; use ampicillin instead unless sensitivities indicate otherwise. First-generation is good for cellulitis caused by Strep. Third-generations are good for being able to cross the BB barrier (N meningitidis). The only cephalosporins that work against Pseudomonas are fourth-generation.

Fluoroquinolones tend to work well against organisms that cause respiratory and advanced urinary tract infections. Some Pseudomonas strains are susceptible to ciprofloxacin.

Tetracyclines are good against many bugs; usually they're first line against rickettsial diseases and chlamydia. They are also effective against spirochetes.

Macrolides are good in combination with higher-generation cephalosporins for common organisms causing community acquired pneumonia; alone (specifically azithromycin) they are good for chlamydia and organisms that cause URI. They also work against organisms causing atypical pneumonia.

As a general rule, clindamycin is good against anaerobic infections above the diaphragm, and metronidazole below the diaphragm. Metronidazole is also good against trichomonas and C diff. Depending on the severity of the C diff infection, oral vancomycin may be needed as well.

Piperacillin/tazobactam has very broad coverage; commonly used if Pseudomonas is suspected, and also covers anaerobes.

Carbapenems, linezolid, and other "big-gun" antibiotics should only be used in the event of serious resistant infections.

Aminoglycosides are generally used in conjunction with other antibiotics, especially in the treatment of infective endocarditis (gentamicin). Also commonly seen is inhaled tobramycin used in CF patients with Pseudomonas colonization.

Sorry if you were looking for more specific information, but your question really covers a broad topic and this is about as general as it gets (unfortunately). As it is, I feel like I left something important out. If you have specific questions, feel free to post them and I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge.
 
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As a general rule, the higher the generation of cephalosporins, the greater gram-negative coverage you have. Many Enterococcus species are intrinsically resistant to cephalosporins; use ampicillin instead unless sensitivities indicate otherwise. First-generation is good for cellulitis caused by Strep. Third-generations are good for being able to cross the BB barrier (N meningitidis). The only cephalosporins that work against Pseudomonas are fourth-generation.

Great broad overview. 👍

The statement about only 4th generation cephalosporin covering pseudomonas isn't entirely correct. There is one 3rd generation - ceftazidime - that also covers its.

Just remember to look at your local antibiogram before prescribing any empiric treatment.
 
Sorry if you were looking for more specific information, but your question really covers a broad topic and this is about as general as it gets (unfortunately). As it is, I feel like I left something important out. If you have specific questions, feel free to post them and I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

Not at all, my problem was all the information I have is exceedingly specific - this broad overview helps a bunch, thanks for taking the time to type it up!
 
This will be very general, and someone else can come along and elaborate further or correct me, but it basically boils down to gram positive vs. gram-negative; aerobe vs. anaerobe. Sensitivities change your choices.

Penicillins work okay for sensitive gram-positives (Staph and Strep) and especially syphilis. Nafcillin for MSSA; vancomycin for MRSA. Aminopenicillins (like amoxicillin) have broader gram-negative coverage.

As a general rule, the higher the generation of cephalosporins, the greater gram-negative coverage you have. Many Enterococcus species are intrinsically resistant to cephalosporins; use ampicillin instead unless sensitivities indicate otherwise. First-generation is good for cellulitis caused by Strep. Third-generations are good for being able to cross the BB barrier (N meningitidis). The only cephalosporins that work against Pseudomonas are fourth-generation.

Fluoroquinolones tend to work well against organisms that cause respiratory and advanced urinary tract infections. Some Pseudomonas strains are susceptible to ciprofloxacin.

Tetracyclines are good against many bugs; usually they're first line against rickettsial diseases and chlamydia. They are also effective against spirochetes.

Macrolides are good in combination with higher-generation cephalosporins for common organisms causing community acquired pneumonia; alone (specifically azithromycin) they are good for chlamydia and organisms that cause URI. They also work against organisms causing atypical pneumonia.

As a general rule, clindamycin is good against anaerobic infections above the diaphragm, and metronidazole below the diaphragm. Metronidazole is also good against trichomonas and C diff. Depending on the severity of the C diff infection, oral vancomycin may be needed as well.

Piperacillin/tazobactam has very broad coverage; commonly used if Pseudomonas is suspected, and also covers anaerobes.

Carbapenems, linezolid, and other "big-gun" antibiotics should only be used in the event of serious resistant infections.

Aminoglycosides are generally used in conjunction with other antibiotics, especially in the treatment of infective endocarditis (gentamicin). Also commonly seen is inhaled tobramycin used in CF patients with Pseudomonas colonization.

Sorry if you were looking for more specific information, but your question really covers a broad topic and this is about as general as it gets (unfortunately). As it is, I feel like I left something important out. If you have specific questions, feel free to post them and I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

What a post, man. A succinct clinical overview of most relevant antibiotics.

One thing I have found is that we use flagyl (metronidazole) for almost all anerobic infections, even in cases of aspiration pneumonia. Haven't really seen a use for flagyl outside of the 8 million cases of aspiration pneumonia and most of the 20 million C. Diff.
 
What a post, man. A succinct clinical overview of most relevant antibiotics.

One thing I have found is that we use flagyl (metronidazole) for almost all anerobic infections, even in cases of aspiration pneumonia. Haven't really seen a use for flagyl outside of the 8 million cases of aspiration pneumonia and most of the 20 million C. Diff.

What do you treat bacterial vaginosis with then?
 
Is there supposed to be any logic to this or is it just memorization? I don't see anything except memorizing, but want to make sure I'm not missing something before I punish myself too much trying to learn it

Gracias!

So if I understand correctly, the general classes work conceptually but the individual antibiotic was proven by trial and error. for example mycoplasma has no cell wall so you wouldn't use an antibiotic that inhibits cell wall synthesis. But when it comes to picking a specific antibiotic within a class, you just memorize which one has been proven in trials to work better.

If I'm mistaken someone let me know, but as far as I can tell this is how they came up with the best antibiotic for the job.
 
So if I understand correctly, the general classes work conceptually but the individual antibiotic was proven by trial and error. for example mycoplasma has no cell wall so you wouldn't use an antibiotic that inhibits cell wall synthesis. But when it comes to picking a specific antibiotic within a class, you just memorize which one has been proven in trials to work better.

If I'm mistaken someone let me know, but as far as I can tell this is how they came up with the best antibiotic for the job.

Most of the time it isn't cut and dry like that. Most doctors get comfortable with a half of dozen of antibiotics and always use them for everything. On wards you will realize there are many 'correct' answers in antibiotic choices.

Just remember that most antibiotics will kill most bugs. Its best to pick the one with the least side effects to your specific patient.

Also it is best to choose cheap/free ones the patient can afford.
 
This will be very general, and someone else can come along and elaborate further or correct me, but it basically boils down to gram positive vs. gram-negative; aerobe vs. anaerobe. Sensitivities change your choices.

Penicillins work okay for sensitive gram-positives (Staph and Strep) and especially syphilis. Nafcillin for MSSA; vancomycin for MRSA. Aminopenicillins (like amoxicillin) have broader gram-negative coverage.

As a general rule, the higher the generation of cephalosporins, the greater gram-negative coverage you have. Many Enterococcus species are intrinsically resistant to cephalosporins; use ampicillin instead unless sensitivities indicate otherwise. First-generation is good for cellulitis caused by Strep. Third-generations are good for being able to cross the BB barrier (N meningitidis). The only cephalosporins that work against Pseudomonas are fourth-generation.

Fluoroquinolones tend to work well against organisms that cause respiratory and advanced urinary tract infections. Some Pseudomonas strains are susceptible to ciprofloxacin.

Tetracyclines are good against many bugs; usually they're first line against rickettsial diseases and chlamydia. They are also effective against spirochetes.

Macrolides are good in combination with higher-generation cephalosporins for common organisms causing community acquired pneumonia; alone (specifically azithromycin) they are good for chlamydia and organisms that cause URI. They also work against organisms causing atypical pneumonia.

As a general rule, clindamycin is good against anaerobic infections above the diaphragm, and metronidazole below the diaphragm. Metronidazole is also good against trichomonas and C diff. Depending on the severity of the C diff infection, oral vancomycin may be needed as well.

Piperacillin/tazobactam has very broad coverage; commonly used if Pseudomonas is suspected, and also covers anaerobes.

Carbapenems, linezolid, and other "big-gun" antibiotics should only be used in the event of serious resistant infections.

Aminoglycosides are generally used in conjunction with other antibiotics, especially in the treatment of infective endocarditis (gentamicin). Also commonly seen is inhaled tobramycin used in CF patients with Pseudomonas colonization.

Sorry if you were looking for more specific information, but your question really covers a broad topic and this is about as general as it gets (unfortunately). As it is, I feel like I left something important out. If you have specific questions, feel free to post them and I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

wow useful info...wish my id professors would give an overview like this
 
What do you treat bacterial vaginosis with then?

Good point; forgot about that in my overview. A better explanation for metronidazole use would be against bugs that commonly cause intra-abdominal infections.

Very glad to see I could help some of you out there. When I first typed it up, I felt like it was such a brief explanation that it would seem disjointed.

A really good source for guidelines in antibiotic use would be the Infectious Diseases Society of America. I found their site especially helpful for breaking down the pharmacological management of infective endocarditis.

http://www.idsociety.org/Index.aspx
 
So if I understand correctly, the general classes work conceptually but the individual antibiotic was proven by trial and error. for example mycoplasma has no cell wall so you wouldn't use an antibiotic that inhibits cell wall synthesis. But when it comes to picking a specific antibiotic within a class, you just memorize which one has been proven in trials to work better.

If I'm mistaken someone let me know, but as far as I can tell this is how they came up with the best antibiotic for the job.

To be honest, much of the actual management is dictated by pre-established guidelines. In a hospital setting, you often don't get the luxury of knowing exactly what bug you're going after. And when your patient is deteriorating from sepsis right in front of you, you don't get the luxury of waiting for cultures, either. The trick lies in identifying the sources likely causing sepsis in your patient and treating empirically with broad-spectrum antibiotics until the cultures/sensitivities return.

For instance, if you suspect bacterial pneumonia in your patient, you can usually get away with starting him/her on either a respiratory fluoroquinolone (levofloxacin is the go-to at my hospital) or a combination of ceftriaxone and azithromycin. If the patient meets any criteria that indicate that they may have acquired the pneumonia in a health-care setting, then coverage needs to be broadened to include MRSA and possibly Pseudomonas; thus, vancomycin and any of the anti-Pseudomonal antibiotics are added to the regimen. Suspected aspiration pneumonias get treated with the addition of clindamycin or metronidazole. Ampicillin/sulbactam is also a useful combination in this setting as well.

Often, you'll never find out what the exact organism causing your pneumonia was; respiratory cultures come back contaminated with pharyngeal flora more times than I can count. Thus emphasizing the importance of knowing how to effectively cover the common organisms causing infection in your patient.
 
the summary of antibiotics above is a good one.

what antibiotic you choose for a given patient is dependent on several factors. individually, each factor requires memorization, but that memorization allows you to make a judgement call on what antibiotic is most appropriate. pieces of the puzzle include the most likely organisms for the type of infection your patient has, likely antibiotic sensitivities of those bugs, likely spectrum of the different antibiotics available, and the danger of missing coverage of the organism acutely.

for instance, community acquired pneumonia is commonly from strep pneumoniae, mycoplasma, chlamydia sp., among others... empiric treatment is usually with ceftriaxone (covers nearly 100% strep pneumoniae) and azithromycin (covers mycoplasma and other "atypicals") if a patient is admitted, but can be with azithromycin alone (covers mycoplasma etc, and a lot of strep pneumoniae) if a patient is not that sick. similarly, most superficial skin infections are from staph aureus or strep pyogenes... empiric treatment can be with clindamycin (covers most community aquired MRSA and most strep) or with cephalexin (covers most MSSA and strep) depending on MRSA rates, or can be with doxycycline or Bactrim if you're pretty sure the causitive organism is staph (they cover MSSA and most community acquired MRSA).

each element of the decision requires some memorization, but picking the right antibiotics for a patient requires that memorization, followed by clinical decision making and an estimation of how dangerous it is to miss coverage in the acute setting.
 
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