Any DO's taking/taken USMLE

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I am going to do it on the 19th and wondered if anyone has or will also be taking the bad boy...especially after what we just went through. I have a "study schedule" (light one) to keep me refreshed for a week. Good luck to anyone else taking it. 👍
 
Hell yeah! Taking it on Monday the 14th. I'm spending today recovering from last night's celebrations. I'll hit the high yield stuff again starting tomorrow.
Good luck, I'll let you know how it was.
ATnS
 
I took it two weeks ago. I think that if you were prepared for the COMLEX, all you really need to add is a little more behavioral sciences and biochem. Throw in some extra statistics and you'll be set. The pharm and micro were definitely harder on the COMLEX, while the other subjects were comparable.

If you have a week to go, I'd focus on the things you didn't know quite as well on the COMLEX and go over First Aid one or two times.
 
The pharm is harder on COMLEX? Thank goodness, cause I got a book that had probably 50 pharm questions on it, and they were all MOA's and interactions...totally sucked. I'm going to go over BS, FA, and QBank pathophys and genetics/molecular bio. Think that's about right?
 
Nothing can be worse than the joke that was COMLEX. I am looking forward to USMLE. I think it will be harder (in a fair way, not in a "this is crap" way), but the questions should be well-written and require some reasoning.

I take it on the 19th too.

Good luck. 👍
 
im looking forward to it as well.. taking it on the 15th..i agree some of the pharm on comlex was alittle tough..some of those drugs i have never heard before..and also which seems to be everyones fav..the pseudomnas contact lenses...classic
 
I'm taking it next week also. I'm not too worried about it . . . like some of you already said, at least I know that the questions will be well written, and I like the fact that its on the computer and you work at your own pace (within the time limit, of course). Good luck to all of you! 🙂
 
Yeah...a friend of mine took them both last year and did pretty well on COMLEX but got like a 238 on USMLE (I think like 550 on COMLEX). He said that the questions ARE harder, but much easier to understand...if that makes sense.
 
Oh...and I got the Pseudomonas contact lenses wrong...first thing that went through my mind was that worm that enters your brain if it's in your contacts...it wasn't there and I thought "WTF?" When I got done and walked out of the test, I thought "holy crap...pseudomonas you *****!!"
 
I got that one wrong too. Stupid. I put serratia. Ya know what? In pathophys for boards n wards it was word for word "contact lenses=pseudomonas". I'm such a dweeb.

Anyway I'm taking usmle on the 16th.
 
i did the "_____!!! you ***** !!!" thing on soo many questions im almost afraid i passed
 
Idiopathic said:
Everyone on my test got it, so I dont think so. It was pretty straightforward, actually, considering they gave you gram stain morphology, I think.

All of the answer choices were gram negative rods.

I got it wrong too. It didn't help that Goljan always said contact lenses = Acanthamoeba.

When I didn't see that as an answer choice, I couldn't make the pseudomonas = water loving connection. It just didn't click. 😡
 
I made a very dumb mistake.... I didn't want to believe that Candida could gram stain, especially in clusters. My question mentioned budding... but I just couldn't bring myself to pick Candida if I didn't see the "pseudohypae". Why didn't I just go with the obvious answer if it said budding??? That's an example of a question I would have gotten right if they DIDN'T show the slide! Dammit... I think I'm the only one that got that wrong! 😡
 
Guys... I'm having a very difficult time getting back into the studying. My mind keeps wandering. I seem to have lost that feeling of impending doom I had before the COMLEX. I'm taking it in a few days and should go over some stuff again. Anyone else having a rough time?
 
drdrtoledo said:
Guys... I'm having a very difficult time getting back into the studying. My mind keeps wandering. I seem to have lost that feeling of impending doom I had before the COMLEX. I'm taking it in a few days and should go over some stuff again. Anyone else having a rough time?

yes yes and yes. 😴
 
I drove half an hour to the Prometric testing center today and took the practice USMLE Step One. It cost an extra 48 bucks but was well worth it. I had refrained from doing the released items because I had heard that those were the 150 questions that they asked on the practice exam. I had plenty of time in each section, and although it felt like I was getting kicked in the scrotum, I ended up with 109 out of 150 correct, which basically correlates almost to a T with my Q Bank average of 74% overall. The behavioral questions were flat out easy, pharm was easier than COMLEX, but biochem was a bit tricky. Path was average difficulty, and phys ok. The hardest part was the graphs and tables. Pictures were not bad. I'll be curious to see if my QBank and released items average comes out to the same 72-74% overall. If so my guess is that puts a 3 digit score in the neighborhood of 240-250. But I am certainly not making that speculation yet!!
 
I would be happy with a three digit score............ :laugh:

Actually, I just want to get a 182...anything else is just gravy.
 
I just took the USMLE today June 11 and the COMLEX on the 8th,9th.
Some thoughts:

COMLEX:
Very grueling, endurance test; often you just want to quit and turn it in. Lots and lots of pictures. Need the pictures to answer the questions usually. The micro was exceptionally difficult. A lot of fungus questions and rare stuff. Pictures of fungi too. MRIs, tons of chest x-rays, pictures of micro; giardia, ova, worms, gram stains, etc etc. Even an MRI of some torn up knee ligaments. Not sure how you can study for this, other than do a radiology rotation.

The exam overall, had a very clinical slant to it. Very few straight recall questions. There were no "buzzwords", no "malar rash". They describe it. They don't say "clue cells" they just say cells with bacteria attached to them. However, they did use "school of fish" for Chancroid. It depends on how much the buzzword may tip you off.

Becuase of the huge clinical slant to the exam, you often sit their wondering "how on earth am I suppposed to know that?" or "What class was taht from?" For example, how long does it take air to be reabsorbed after abdominal surgery? Or other very clinical questions.

Also they assume you know the pathology. There weren't straight up pathology questions. They would describe a disease like myasthenia gravis, you figure it out, but they ask you about future complications, possible treatments, etc. Rarely do they ask straight pathology, like "which receptor is being attacked by the antibodies in this patient?" It's more of an applied/implied pathology.

The pharm on the comlex was difficult too. They asked about alternative drugs and alternative therapies. So many questions were about a woman having HTN and Diabetes and taking hormone replacement, what other drug can you add for "something" taht won't "something". You need to know the mechanisms of how these drugs work and how they may affect each other. Simply knowing that clonazapine cause "agranulocytosis" is not enough... know what it is and how it affects other stuff. (The USMLE wants you to know the mechanism of how it causes the agranulocytosis)

The COMLEX loved the common diseases; HTN, CHF, Emphysema, Stroke, CAD, Diabetes, Toxicities, prostate, UTIs, hormone replacement, drug abuse, alcoholism, and seizures. Know theses diseases well and their processes. Not many rare diseases tested. Lots and lots of ECG with rythms, know the patterns, they loved these. Even Wenckbach and Mobitz II.

The Micro was very tough compared to the USMLE. You need to focus on the fungi as well as bacteria/virus. No need to know the shape or structure of viruses, you don't need to know if it is encapsulated, single stranded, DNA or RNA etc etc. (The USMLE expects you to know it) Just know the disease it may cause. Again, the focus is clinical not basic science/minutiae. In reality... who cares if it is a single stranded positive RNA virus? It sucks that it causes herpes, that's all.

The Anatomy/Neuro was substantial, this is expected. Being DOs, you better know your anatomy real well. They asked about the phrenic nerve referring pain to the shoulder from the gall bladder (the USMLE did too), the tibial nerve, peroneal, fibular, common and deep, and pudendal, rectal, testicular torsion.... stuff DOs know a lot about. Enjoy these!

Not on the COMLEX, include subjects like; Epidemiology, biostatistics, ethics, legal issues, no calculations at all. Other low-yield topics include; biochem, immuno, behavioral, OMM. Surprisingly, the OMM was not very difficult, and not very much. For OMM, know the contraindications for OMM for various disease states (usually common sense). The behavioral was easy to figure out, just know the basics. The biochem focused on the obvious enzyme and nutrient deficiencies, no need to know details about transcription, translation, post-transitional modification, etc. The immuno part focused on some interleukins, and teh roles each type of cell plays. Just know the basics.

A lot of people complain that the comlex is "not well written". This simply is not true... it's too well written. It's just very hard. In terms of grammar and English, I am an editor (have been for 17 years), when I read I always pick up on English and grammar mistakes.... comlex did not have any, it was well written. Although one question on the USMLE had bad grammar. People who complain about this, probably did not study enough or know enough. The test is an IQ test of sorts. You have to apply, evaluate, and choose correct answers among many correct answers. (Unlike the USMLE, where only usually one answer is correct)

Comlex Q-Bank is a waste of money... nothing like the real test. The closest was the NBOME 200 released items. Howver, the regular USMLE Q Bank had very good questions, especially pharm and micro... very helpful.

Conclusion: the COMLEX is a very difficult test, that really tests your intelligence and endurance. It focuses on common diseases that you will see a lot of. Because, it is so clinical, there is no real way to "cram" or "review" for the test. Know the drugs and bugs, the rest is your reasoning and IQ.



USMLE:
If you are a DO taking the USMLE, focus on minutiae. Little details about mechanisms and theories.

The USMLE asks lots of questions in the form of experiments on rats, arteries, etc. Like if you were measuring the tension of this artery before adding epinephrine and drugs X look at these graphs and figure it out.

The USMLE covers all the topics in First Aid. You will get a topic from every section. Usually the ethics and legal stuff is easy to figure out. You will also have to do a few calculations. These are easy points. The behavioral is usually pretty obvious as well.

The hard stuff on the USMLE is the BIOCHEM. It's very detail and mechanism oriented--not clinical. Know what signals cause what, why things happen... don't just memorize buzzwords and associations. I guess bichem at DO schools is just taught differently, we focus on disease and clinical relevance, they focus on mechanism and details or how things work. Don't get me wrong, we did that too, but they go into more detail (I took biochem at an MD and a DO school).

Pathology on the USMLE is just more straight recall of a disease process , then a second step on how it works, like myasthenia gravis above. Or how to treat it etc. The path and biochem on the USMLE likes to ask about the Zebras... the rare diseases that you won't see, whereas the COMLEX asks about more common diseases.

The pictures on the USMLE are usually useless, only in a few cases do you need them. Also they are rare, the histo/path pics are not very many, but they love graphs and charts.

The anatomy and neuro was not heavily tested, coming from a DO background you will rock these questions. They did have 2 or 3 questions on iliopsoas (psoas) and quadratus lumorum. Pray that you get a lot of anatomy.

The Micro on the USMLe was a joke, if you have a strong micro department, it's real easy. Simple stuff. Most cases start with a fever, and cough. Age group tips you off. Some end up with joint pain, or lung pain, cardiomyopathy, etc. Don't worry.

There really was no way to "cram" for it. A lot fo stuff was not in review books, and you just learned it in class. Both tests asked about Leptin and Neuropeptide Y for some reason. Even though this is not taught in most schools. A lot of the USMLE questions were straight from QBank, except for all the "experiments"... Qbank doesn't have any "experiment" based questions.

The USMLE was an easier test, the questions usually did not require too much "thought"... just straight up recall, and some application. Not really an "IQ" test. Not as thought provoking or clinical as the COMLEX.

Of course, the USMLE comes in different versions, so yours may not be the same.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask, now that I am done... phew!!
 
I took the usmle on sat, man am I happy that that is over.
I felt that the usmle and the comlex were pretty similar in difficulty
 
Well guys, I just got back. I am so burned out. I had to drive 2 hours from my testing site home. So here's the deal....

My test was completely different from what others on these threads have reported. My exam IN NO WAY resembled the comlex. 3 of us from OUCOM took it today and all 3 of us were shocked. The exam had a lot of cell bio and genetics. I was asked questions about structures attached to the nuclear envelope...WTF? One of my classmates has a masters in micro and I have a pharm d. We walked in there thinking we were going to rock the house... all that got rocked was our behinds. I came out of there wondering how someone could think that was easier than comlex! As has been stated the micro was fairly straightforward. More viruses than bacteria. The pharm was the most straightforward according to my colleagues. Pharm and Micro were not represented nearly as much as I expected. The biochem questions I saw were easily solved by knowing the inhibitors and inducers of the enzymes in the pathways desribed in FA.

My exam had very little physiology... I was actually looking forward to it. My pathology was nothing like COMLEX. Comlex tended to give you symptoms and you solved the disease... not the case for me in USMLE. Buzzwords were virtually worthless. Throw that book away! They would tell you symptoms and diagnosis and wanted you to explain how that affects another organ system or how it effected homeostasis. For example, someone with oat cell CA, how does the ACTH increase affect renin-AT-aldo pathway and insulin levels. FA helps but they want you to extract information on the USMLE... not too many memorize and regurgitate question. 2 and 3 step questions were the norm. As for anatomy, not too bad. I got some neuro cross sections (brainstem and medulla)... I totally didn't expect that. Several lesions which always ended up having 3 choices within it... for example, an obvious lesion to the radial nerve but the choices said.... superficial radial, deep radial, tertiary radial branch?, etc.

The worst part for me was the cell bio and genetics... Some genetics was straight forward... read this codon, what kind of inheritence is this, etc. The problem was in the gene transcription questions. VERY SPECIFIC stuff. Know your mRNA and DNA transcription and protein synthesis well!!! I'd say I had at least 25 cell bio/genetics questions per 100 q's. That's about 85! That's way atypical if you consider the numbers thrown around by others on this board. If you own BRS cell bio... READ IT! Especially the first 5 chapters. I read them the night before and got 4 more correct than I would have otherwise. I never got through the whole book so YMMV. They would point to a part inside a cell and ask for you to descibe the receptor and pathway that it used. Histology is not my thing so I will not say much other than I thought the biopsy slides were bad... blood smears were obvious. I had a total of 8 embryo questions... half easy, half I had to guess. I finished my blocks with about 3 minutes to spare... but I am a very slow test taker. I averaged a 75% on Qbank... Qbank seemed like cake compared to what I faced today.

So in closing, I apparently had an atypical exam. So try not to freak based on my horrid experience. I am praying that I at least pass... I am not very confident right now. I can't offer you much advice... this is a hard test to study for. It extrapolates the information in a way you need reasoning for. So just memorizing FA won't help much. FA micro, pharm, and biochem will get you through those sections. I would recommend a cell bio review book... it seems to be "the topic" this year. Path BRS and FA complement each other well... just be ready to think outside the box. Zebras were definitely the focus of the exam, don't be fooled. I came out of the COMLEX knowing I did fine... today is a different story. Good luck to the rest of you. May your exams be better than mine!
ATnS
 
Dr.Toledo,

I definitely had that same exam, and I took it today. I am a PA and feel real strong about pharm, path, phys, BS, micro, and I thought that would push me over 250 for sure. Cell bio and molecular bio killed me today as well and I am left wondering how would I have know to know that topic so well. Immuno was also big on mine. Those are my 2 weakest topics. But, being the optimistic type, I think there were probably only 50 questions in that area and I am sure I got half right just by narrowing down to 2 answers. So even know I am sure I did not rock with a 250, I think I probably passed and made around the mean. I don't really care anyway because I am doing FP!!
 
Idiopathic,
When are you up to bat?
PS- what happened to your monster avitar? I have come to associate it with you 🙂 .

PACtoDOC,
Let's hope our tests get scaled differently... ours sound much worse than what I've heard on other threads. Hopefully we did some good guessing!

ATnS
 
Idiopathic said:
No, I made a mistake...we are leaving for Florida on the 19th. Testing on the 18th. Ill let you know how it goes.


*High five*
 
Oh man... I've been reading posts and people sound like they had way easy tests. I started searching for information about how this thing is graded... a lot of theories but no one knows. I hope it's like the GRE.... different questions have different weights. Why would my test have SO MUCH cell bio and genetics compared to others? I am really worried guys :scared: :scared: . Oh screw it... 6 weeks till I found out just how bad I did. I wore my lucky scrubs, hopefully they won't let me down.

Goodluck Direwolf and Idiopathic.... represent!
 
according to the presentation at my school, the USMLE is kinda set up like the GRE. If you do really well on the first block, the 2nd one is harder. If you don't do so well on the first block, the 2nd one is easier or equal. So we were told that if your last block was one of the hardest set of questions you've ever seen, you probably did well. The harder questions are worth more points. The presenters were two 4th year fellows at my school and they just published a book on taking the boards and the differences between USMLE and COMLEX. I assume their information is correct since they just published the book.
btw - i just cancelled my USMLE. I was told that for FP or IM I should be fine with COMLEX scores. If I want to do EM or Surgery, I need to do well on the USMLE...I am not prepared enough right now to do well on the USMLE. I don't think I'll ever be prepared. Why did you guys take the USMLE? Do you think I should reschedule it? I have until July 31st to reschedule...I'll be doing surgery rotation then, but I can take it on a weekend. any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
I took it because I have always wanted to say that I passed the USMLE and did reasonably well on it. I will be doing an allopathic or possibly dually accredited FP program, so I will be surrounded by MD's. I just want them to know that I did the same things to get where I am and did not take any short cuts. For me it was more about pride. Funny enough though the darn COMLEX would have a much more "difficult" reputation had MD programs had to take it this year. That sucker was tough!!
 
labruy69 said:
according to the presentation at my school, the USMLE is kinda set up like the GRE. If you do really well on the first block, the 2nd one is harder. If you don't do so well on the first block, the 2nd one is easier or equal. So we were told that if your last block was one of the hardest set of questions you've ever seen, you probably did well. The harder questions are worth more points. The presenters were two 4th year fellows at my school and they just published a book on taking the boards and the differences between USMLE and COMLEX. I assume their information is correct since they just published the book.
btw - i just cancelled my USMLE. I was told that for FP or IM I should be fine with COMLEX scores. If I want to do EM or Surgery, I need to do well on the USMLE...I am not prepared enough right now to do well on the USMLE. I don't think I'll ever be prepared. Why did you guys take the USMLE? Do you think I should reschedule it? I have until July 31st to reschedule...I'll be doing surgery rotation then, but I can take it on a weekend. any input would be greatly appreciated.


I am taking USMLE because I will probably apply to allopathic residencies. Since I am not completely sure what specialty I want to pursue, I am taking this test to keep the doors open. Of course if I do poorly, the doors will close. So it's no guarantee.

If you KNOW that you are going into IM or FP, I would not worry about taking USMLE. The key is that you are 100% sure.
 
drdrtoledo said:
Oh man... I've been reading posts and people sound like they had way easy tests. I started searching for information about how this thing is graded... a lot of theories but no one knows. I hope it's like the GRE.... different questions have different weights. Why would my test have SO MUCH cell bio and genetics compared to others? I am really worried guys :scared: :scared: . Oh screw it... 6 weeks till I found out just how bad I did. I wore my lucky scrubs, hopefully they won't let me down.

Goodluck Direwolf and Idiopathic.... represent!

Thanks. *High five*
 
labruy69 said:
btw - i just cancelled my USMLE. I was told that for FP or IM I should be fine with COMLEX scores. If I want to do EM or Surgery, I need to do well on the USMLE...I am not prepared enough right now to do well on the USMLE. I don't think I'll ever be prepared. Why did you guys take the USMLE? Do you think I should reschedule it? I have until July 31st to reschedule...I'll be doing surgery rotation then, but I can take it on a weekend. any input would be greatly appreciated.

my reasons for taking USMLE have changed. i used to think for some reason that i was gonna rock this test and then i could do pretty much anything i wanted (i'm undecided right now)...but now i guess it has turned more into a scientific interest--will i do better on comlex or usmle, that kinda thing.

comlex hit me pretty hard. i felt really prepared but on the actual test, i feel that i didn't know about half the questions. this kinda made me want to cancel my USMLE (which i'm taking next tuesday), but then i decided that if i'm not gonna take it now, after studying this stuff for two months, i'm never gonna take it. i know myself--i'm not going to study during my rotations.

i actually have a small question...what would you guys recommend doing in my last week before the test? i started with reading behavioral and biochem/molec bio...now i'm re-reading first aid. it seems that maybe instead of re-reading stuff i should be doing q's and going over answers. any suggestions?
 
Thanks Direwolf and Pactodoc for your responses. I originally signed up for the USMLE because I wanted to open up more doors for myself, but after speaking with some other people who just took it, I figured I'd end up closing doors instead of opening them. I can always just take step 2 or take step 1 next year if I really need to. Good luck!
 
Annush,

If I had 1 week to review before the USMLE I think I would do much better now. Of course this comes after having already taken it. But maybe you can benefit from my experience. Here is what I would do being a DO student as well.

1) I would read the BRS cell bio/histo review cover to cover. Focus heavily on transcription and translation in case you get my exam!!!

2) One round through FA and focus heavily on drug MECHANISMS. For instance, for a drug like acyclovir it is not enough to know that it is a nucleotide analog drug for viral herpes infections. You should know the exact mechanism like how it inhibits thymidine kinase. Mechanisms in this sense are easy but essential to memorize and know. Study very heavily the beta blockers, alpha blockers, and interactions between them. Even the released items had a question on them about how epi and isoproterenol interacted, and they used a graph to ask the question. Its the typical "what happens to X when you give Y after it". Use this to understand this entire family of drugs.
Study drugs that have effects on pupils and know why.

3) I would spend about half the day doing questions on Q bank and half the day studying. If you do 1000 questions in this time frame you are bound to have some similar questions. Focus on the painful Qbank topics like biochem, cell bio, stats, and behavioral because you stand to gain a lot from these.

4) Lastly, do the NBME released items because they tend to repeat several of these on many exams in one fashion or similar.

Sleep a lot to get your nerves in order, and do something nice for yourself the day before the exam.

Forget about anatomy or embryo because embryo has not been a high yield topic on anyone's exam this year it seems. And as a DO, your anatomy expertise should be eons ahead of your MD counterparts taking the exam. I found the anatomy to be very easy overall. Oh, and yes, study some visual neuroanatomy because the USMLE loves angiograms, MRI's, CT's, and the like. Good luck and rock it!! Just DO it!!
 
thanks very much for your advice, pac...i feel a little better now 🙂
off to study cell bio and drug mechanisms!!!
 
Does anyone know the policy on releasing your USMLE scores? If you don't do well, do you even have to say you took it? If so, then the people who didn't even take it would have an advantage.
 
labruy69 said:
according to the presentation at my school, the USMLE is kinda set up like the GRE. If you do really well on the first block, the 2nd one is harder. If you don't do so well on the first block, the 2nd one is easier or equal. So we were told that if your last block was one of the hardest set of questions you've ever seen, you probably did well. The harder questions are worth more points. QUOTE]

This may be true. My second block began with the statement "JUST TYPE A LETTER. ANY LETTER WILL DO. OR A NUMBER OR A SYMBOL, OR ANYTHING ON THE KEYBOARD."

😉

Seriously, my last block was balls. I stared at one question for like 20 minutes. Thinking about all the beer I was getting ready to drink.

Good Luck everyone.
M. 😎
 
DrMaryC said:
Seriously, my last block was balls.


It warms my heart to hear a girl say something was balls. I love that expression. 👍
 
annushka said:
thanks very much for your advice, pac...i feel a little better now 🙂
off to study cell bio and drug mechanisms!!!

Damn skippy! You take that friggen test. You'll be absolutely fine if you have been studying diligently.

Then go out and get $hitfaced!
 
Those who thought COMLEX was a better written exam or required more reasoning are a) smoking rock or b) have a disorder.

USMLE was definitely a test of the mind. You could have memorized Robbins Path, the PDR, Harrison's, etc. and still not passed. It tested very little on minutiae (although there was some in there) and very much on concepts.

I have already had my rant on COMLEX.

As far as which one is harder? Both exams are balls hard. But COMLEX is hard in a "this is useless minutiae, this requires no thought or reasoning, I can't see the image because it's too blury, who wrote this question, this is the worst written question ever, there are no right anwers, there are two right answers" sort of way.

USMLE was hard in a "man I know the answer to the first part of the question, but I can't reason it out to the third order that is required" sort of way.


Anyway, both exams kicked my a$$, just in different ways. It was obvious which exam has been doing this for a long time and uses professional question writers.
 
I'm really quite amazed at how different some of our tests are. Some of us felt the USMLE was easier... others, like me, thought there was no comparison! The USMLE seemed much harder in terms of minutiae and reasoning. Comlex seemed more like Step II, either you knew it or you didn't. I'm just not sure if its our opinions/preferences that are different or the exams we took. For example, my USMLE had over 75 cell bio/genetics questions while others report 20-40... depending on your background this can make a huge difference.

Well wolf, I agree with you too. I just personally think a lot of the cell bio questions I saw were minutiae. It's going to be a long 6 weeks.
 
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