Any schools you would reject?

[gracey]

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Hi Everybody,
If you have been researching schools or have family or friends that are in medical school...you may have the inside scoop.😎

In your opinion, would you reject any schools (or not apply to them)? Are there some you just don't like? The criteria for boycotting a school is up to you. Maybe, not enough computers, did not like the anatomy lab, would not live in the town, heard bad things about it...etc.

I know that we are all limited to certain state requirements and all that, but if you could choose any state or place, what would it NOT be. You may not like the school in your state for one reason or another.

Good Luck to everyone!

~gracey

 

[Alexander99]

I would choose to not apply to any caribbean schools. With a 65% pass rate for the Step I's (compared to 93% for US MD schools and 77% for DO schools), you've gotta wonder whether you could do just as well just by studying on your own. In other words, what are they teaching you?

 

[sgilani]

no carribean. no suny downstate.

 

[mmz6]

what's wrong with downstate?

mmz6

 

[AverageMan]

Don't be bashing downstate ::Rolls up sleeve:: 😉


In all seriousness, any answer anyone gives to this question is going to draw out supporters of every school. This thread is going to turn into a minefield soon.

 

[TTSD]

Originally posted by Alexander99
I would choose to not apply to any caribbean schools. With a 65% pass rate for the Step I's (compared to 93% for US MD schools and 77% for DO schools), you've gotta wonder whether you could do just as well just by studying on your own. In other words, what are they teaching you?

Ross has a 90+% passrate..

But I'd turn down Harvard.. what a craphole of a school 😉

 

[Adapt]

UCSD and UC Davis

 

[calebho501]

I will reject Georgetown cause they rejected me first 😛

I will reject Loma Linda (Actually I never submitted the secondary) cause I can't stand a conservative Christian school...especially when it's Seventh Day Adventist (I grew up as one)

 

[lessismoe]

I elected not to continue pursuing Loma Linda in CA because I personally found their policy against homosexuals offensive.

I didn't mind their policies against drinking or pre-marital sex. They are a private school and they can have any rules they want, but I didn't feel right contributing my hard-earned secondary fee to a school that discriminates.

Part of my personal philosopy that I hope to carry with me in practicing medicine is that people are going to be different, and that is okay. They may be alcoholic, they may be compulsive eaters with a family history of cancer, they might be perfectionists, they might be prone to sunburn, and yes, they might be homozexual. As physicians, it isn't our job or our place to judge the righteousness of their lifestyle, only to assess the dangers that aspects of patients' lifestyle place on their health. I felt that Loma Linda's policy was based too much on an exclusive type of Christianity for me to contribute in any shape, way or form.

But that was just my personal choice; I know a top-notch student that went there, and they do have a great program.

 

[calebho501]

Originally posted by lessismoe
I elected not to continue pursuing Loma Linda in CA because I personally found their policy against homosexuals offensive.

I didn't mind their policies against drinking or pre-marital sex.

THe thing is, conservative Seventh Day Adventists believe that pre-marital sex, drinking, smoking, homosexual relationships are all in the same category--unhealthy and/or immoral lifestyles. SDA is one of the most conservative Christian denomination, so I'm not surprised at their policy.

I'm baptized as a SDA but do disagree with many stuff endorsed by the church.

 

[lessismoe]

"unhealthy" in terms of the body or "unhealthy" in terms of the mind and the soul? I'm not SDA (catholic, actually) so I am just curious.

 

[josehernandez94]

wow, their policy is pretty clearly delineated (from the Sexual Standards Policy in their student handbook):

"All expressions of premarital and extramarital friendship are to be chaste and behaviors which would suggest otherwise are to be avoided. All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage, or between homosexuals, are contrary to the ideals of the University and will result in disciplinary action."

 

[Alexander99]

Originally posted by TTSD
Ross has a 90+% passrate..

But I'd turn down Harvard.. what a craphole of a school 😉

That is incredible considering what I found on their website:

"10) What is the mean GPA of accepted students?

Currently our accepted student (undergraduate) GPA ranges from 2.8 to 3.4."

I like how they answered the question about a mean by giving a range. 🙂

Their website actually claim their Step I passing rate was 86% in 2001 but perhaps you have more current info than me. Any school that can make <b>academically</b> mediocre students perform at a similar level to the students who have a history of excelling academically must be doing something right. I'd still never apply there though. 😎

 

[Adapt]

Yes, everyone withdraw from Loma Linda so they can give ME an interview....EXCELLENT.

 

[Alexander99]

Originally posted by josehernandez94
wow, their policy is pretty clearly delineated (from the Sexual Standards Policy in their student handbook):

"All expressions of premarital and extramarital friendship are to be chaste and behaviors which would suggest otherwise are to be avoided. All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage, or between homosexuals, are contrary to the ideals of the University and will result in disciplinary action."

Any poli sci majors in here? Why is it that discrimination against homosexuals in a private instituation is allowed while discrimination against ethnics group is not? Is it a loophole because they have codes that ban a certain type of behavior but don't talk about sexual preference? If so, what's to keep a school from saying they don't allow people to talk with foreign accents?

 

[TTSD]

Originally posted by Alexander99

Their website actually claim their Step I passing rate was 86% in 2001 but perhaps you have more current info than me. Any school that can make <b>academically</b> mediocre students perform at a similar level to the students who have a history of excelling academically must be doing something right. I'd still never apply there though. 😎

Most people that end up at the good carib schools are usually the people who screwed up somewhere in their undergrad that usually would preclude them from a US admission and fight hard to prove themselves. Non hackers I hear are quickly flunked out.

However, Loma Linda is a Christian University.. they can set whatever moral grounds they want. Though of course we've all heard the stories of some Loma Linda kids that really just go butt wild in their secret lives as well.

 

[josehernandez94]

by the way, I'm not hating on Loma Linda (I don't know a lick about the school), I was just surprised to see the policy that unequivocally stated.

 

[TTSD]

Originally posted by josehernandez94
by the way, I'm not hating on Loma Linda (I don't know a lick about the school), I was just surprised to see the policy that unequivocally stated.

I would be more surprised if they didn't. SDAs are pretty strict about their faith. Hell, their cafeterias don't even have pepper!

If I get accepted.. I'm PACKING my lunch.

 

[Paws]

Originally posted by josehernandez94

"All expressions of premarital and extramarital friendship are to be chaste and behaviors which would suggest otherwise are to be avoided. All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage...."

does this mean just holding hands and kissing?? What about putting your arm around your honey?

I wouldn't apply to the historically black schools, altho I like them. I'm white and respect the traditions, and wouldn't want to feel like I was taking the spot from someone who wanted to go because of their history. But if I was black, then I would want to go to one BECAUSE of the great pride and tradition. That would be very cool.

 

[calebho501]

Originally posted by lessismoe
"unhealthy" in terms of the body or "unhealthy" in terms of the mind and the soul? I'm not SDA (catholic, actually) so I am just curious.

I guess it's in terms of mind and soul?? I do think that the dominant belief in SDA is that Homosexuality is a "choice" due to "corruption of mind"...

does this mean just holding hands and kissing?? What about putting your arm around your honey?

I think holding hands and putting arms around for HETEROSEXUAL couple will probably be fine for the SDA Church....kissing in public....kinda pushing the edge....homosexual kissing and holding hands....better not let anyone sees it on campus!

Hell, their cafeterias don't even have pepper!

Some SDAs feel that any spices like pepper, chilli, are unnecessary "sensory stimulation" to the body. Since one should cherish one's body as God's temple, those stimulations should be avoided. However, this is only the belief of minority.

 

[calebho501]

Originally posted by Slickness
Yes, everyone withdraw from Loma Linda so they can give ME an interview....EXCELLENT.

But do you REALLY wanna go there? My parents told me to give it a try, but once I got my first acceptance, I quickly withdrew from Loma Linda 😛

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by calebho501
But do you REALLY wanna go there? My parents told me to give it a try, but once I got my first acceptance, I quickly withdrew from Loma Linda 😛

Sure why not. I live right by there and it's MD. It's my best shot at a CA MD. Otherwise I'm off to Western.🙂

 

[calebho501]

Originally posted by Slickness
Sure why not. I live right by there and it's MD. It's my best shot at a CA MD. Otherwise I'm off to Western.🙂

Well make sure you bring your Bible and Vegetarian recipes....and forget about condoms and alcohol 🙂

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by calebho501
Well make sure you bring your Bible and Vegetarian recipes....and forget about condoms and alcohol 🙂

If I do go to Loma Linda, I'm sure they can't prevent my sexcapades.😉

 

[citygirl]

"Though shalt not indulge in sexcapades", speaketh the Lord. (Big lightening bolt strikes down Slickness as he sets foot upon most holy and blessed campus)

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by citygirl
"Though shalt not indulge in sexcapades", speaketh the Lord. (Big lightening bolt strikes down Slickness as he sets foot upon most holy and blessed campus)

I'm sure it can't be that bad. Loma Linda students need some lovin too.🙂

 

[citygirl]

Well, thars lovin' and then thars lovin', if you get mah drift.

 

[Stephen Ewen]

*Last I checked*, Oregon Hlth Sci Univ for out-of-staters was the most expensive trod through med school in the U.S., darn near 40K per year! 😱 Not sure if that still holds true.

 

[citygirl]

Originally posted by Stephen Ewen
*Last I checked*, Oregon Hlth Sci Univ for out-of-staters was the most expensive trod through med school in the U.S.

Nah, OHSU is about $30K and cheap clost of living in the Portland area. Stanford is about $42K and expensive SF Bay Area cost of living. I heard University of Colorado is something ridiculous, like $60K for out-of-staters, but that may be just a vicious rumor.

Financial Aid, Baby!

 

[hsouth]

Yeah according to the '04-'05 MSAR -
Colorado in state tuition: $13,403
Colorado out of state tuition: $ 64,186

Ouch. I doubt their financial aid is THAT good!

~H
(Not a Colorado resident!)

 

[Stephen Ewen]

Originally posted by hsouth
Colorado out of state tuition: $ 64,186

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱

EEEEGGGGAAAAAAAAADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoodMonkey]

yeah but colorado lets you have resident status after a year, from what i understand. you pay thru the nose your first year and then get the cheaper tuition then out.

 

[gracey]

Wow! I did not know schools like Loma Linda existed. I think just today gay marriages were made legal in Massachusetts.

Any other schools we did not mention yet?

Anyone ever hear of Robert Wood NJ Med School?

Carrib schools are all so different. In any case they say that residency is based on board scores. I don't know if they are looked down upon forever though.

Syracuse...anyone know about their Med program?

 

[coachB]

syracuse? not quite as good as princeton or berkeley, but moving up from what i hear.

 

[Lux Aeterna]

Originally posted by gracey
Wow! I did not know schools like Loma Linda existed. I think just today gay marriages were made legal in Massachusetts.

Any other schools we did not mention yet?

Anyone ever hear of Robert Wood NJ Med School?

Carrib schools are all so different. In any case they say that residency is based on board scores. I don't know if they are looked down upon forever though.

Syracuse...anyone know about their Med program?

Robert Wood Johnson is a good state school. Its match list is a bit weaker than NJMS, but I think it has a good rep in the Northeast. The chief resident of peds at CHOP and Yale are RWJ grads (per Dean Terregino). I work with a bunch of attendings at Penn/CHOP and they think RWJ is a very decent school.

Anyway I'm in at both, but really don't know which one I'd attend if I decide do decide to attend an instate school.... Newark is so shady, but the clinical training is great. But I loved the area around RWJ and I've got a bunch of friends and family at Rutgers-NB.

 

[gracey]

Someone told me that if you apply to Osteopathic schools...Allopathic schools can find out and count it against you. Is this true? Everyone I knew was applying to MD only and waiting till the next year to apply to DO if they didn't get into MD. That seems silly, how would they know? Anyone using DO or out of US school as a safety?

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by gracey
Someone told me that if you apply to Osteopathic schools...Allopathic schools can find out and count it against you. Is this true? Everyone I knew was applying to MD only and waiting till the next year to apply to DO if they didn't get into MD. That seems silly, how would they know? Anyone using DO or out of US school as a safety?

I applied DO and MD and even gave my DO recommendation to all the MD schools I applied to. They must have known I was applying DO as well. I received 8 MD interviews so far and this is my first year applying. I don't think it was counted against me.

I'm also one of those few premeds who didn't use DO as a backup but as an alternate. As of now, I am leaning toward choosing DO over MD. Why do you ask?.......BECAUSE IM DUMB!!! BUHAHAHAHA.🙂

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by gracey
Someone told me that if you apply to Osteopathic schools...Allopathic schools can find out and count it against you.

I doubt the Allopathic schools would care.

The Osteopathic schools would be more likely to care because they might think you had no interest in the uniqueness of the Osteopathic philosophy.

 

[gracey]

Slickness, You are too funny!!

Skypilot, That is true. Osteopathic medicine is a different philosophy and would probably expect their applicants to appreciate that.

Maybe that is why Slickness likes them better.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by gracey
Maybe that is why Slickness likes them better.

Yea the philosophy is ok. I'm more into the fact that the DO school is right by where I live.🙂

 

[gracey]

Slickness- Are you trying to stay close to your SWEETHEART or just want to commute from home? I am not making fun of you. I want to stay near my Mommy when I go to med school. You seem to be accepted plenty of places. I am sure you will get your top choice DO school.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by gracey
Slickness- Are you trying to stay close to your SWEETHEART or just want to commute from home? I am not making fun of you. I want to stay near my Mommy when I go to med school. You seem to be accepted plenty of places. I am sure you will get your top choice DO school.

No, it's more like I don't want to leave southern CA and I did get into my top choice DO school.

 

[ewing]

Originally posted by TTSD
But I'd turn down Harvard.. what a craphole of a school 😉

I'm with TTSD on this one. Not that Harvard is a craphole, but that I don't want to go there. I applied to over a dozen schools, including a few of the most competitive ones (UPenn, Hopkins) and didn't apply to others (WashU, Harvard, Columbia). I actually didn't apply to over 100 schools for this reason or that... It's not the monetary costs of applying...I took an oath of poverty back in the day; time is more of a concern when you apply to too many schools...and Harvard doesn't have a secondary, from what I hear. I just had no compelling reason to want to go there.

You really need to ask around and find a city and a school that matches your interests/personality. You'll lear to be a doctor at any of these crapholes...

 

[asama527]

I got a secondary from Loma Linda but I don't remember all of these conservative rules that y'all are talking about.