Any Triple Boarders out there?

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I'm a third year with a pretty good feel that child psych is the way I want to go (pre-med school experience- it's what i'm most interested in, and I feel like i'm good at it). I've heard about the Triple Board programs and I'm just trying to get a sense of how you use that in practice.

I love the idea of having a peds and child psych (and adult psych too of course) background going into practice but i'm just not sure what kind of practice that sets you up to have. I am also interested in research as well, and I've heard that these programs allow for that, is that the case? Does anyone have experience with any of these programs? How difficult are they to get into?

Thanks!
 
As someone who found himself with very similar interest in triple-board who talked to a lot of folk, here's what I came up with (and have decided against pursuing triple-board further).

1) Various wacky economic and reimbursement factors make a joint pediatrics/child psychiatry private practice almost an entirely non-viable model at present. There's no reason at present to think this will change with time. Most folk are honest that the purpose of the triple-board is to train child psychiatrists, not to train folks who are fully equipped to practice in full capacity as pediatricians and adult psychiatrists as well. Fortunately, there's a significant need for child psychiatrists.

2) While research as a triple-boarder is not uncommon, there's simply not a lot of elective time for the magnitude of a project that most folks who would say "I'm interested in research" would want to pursue. Of course, you can pursue a post-doc like anyone else, and perhaps some of the research opportunities on the pediatrics side (which I know little about) would prove advantageous. The programs highlight their versatility, but be wary that all research opportunities are simply not the same.

3) Difficulty? Like in psychiatry in general, competitiveness is a difficult to quantify. There aren't a lot of spots, obviously. Saying that, there aren't a ton of applicants either, and several of the institutions that offer triple board are generally on the lower-middle end of competitiveness. But from the folks I've talked to, triple board PDs are looking for folks who have a really good reason for wanting to do triple board. Assuming you're qualified for the position (i.e. passed steps reasonably above minimum passing grades, nobody says in your evals that you are a total prat that shouldn't be allowed to touch a child), the biggest factor in your application will probably be your reason for wanting to be a triple-boarder. From what I've been told, the average applicant doesn't have a particularly compelling reason ("I couldn't decide between peds and psychiatry" doesn't get anybody excited), so if you do, you may be set.

4) That said, there definitely are some good reasons to do triple-board. If you are extremely interested in child C/L and psychosomatic research. If you want to do a lot of international work. If you plan to be a child psychiatrist in an incredibly rural area, and realize that there will be times you'll be the only MD in a 50 mile radius. There are bad reasons as well: "I can't decide" and "on Monday and Thursday I'll be a pediatrician, Tuesday and Friday a child psychiatrist, and I'll see my adult patients on Wednesday." Also, make sure you don't include "I wanted to be a real doctor" anywhere.

Triple-board appealed to me because of an interest in ADHD research, and because the training genuinely sounded like an enjoyable enterprise. Given my relatively traditional career goals, I just couldn't justify it. The biggest factors for me were probably a) limited research time to pursue any sort of significant project, b) limited number of programs, and c) shortchanging of adult psychiatry.
 
wow thanks 🙂

does the fact that I have always wanted a practice that allowed me to treat special needs kids (so not only the traditional psych pt's (ADHD, depression, etc.) , but also kids with things like autism, CP, down's) in a pediatrics setting allow enough of a difference from not being able to decide if i want to do peds or psych?

I enjoy working with "healthy" kids in a general peds situation, but I think my talents/interests lie more with special needs. I was thrilled when I found the triple board because I thought that might help set me up to have that type of practice. Obviously with reinbursement issues and things like that, it would be a goal for later in my career, but overall still the type of practice i'd really like to have at some point.

Too bad with the research part though... that was certainly a major selling point for me when i first looked into it. Thanks again for a very helpful response.
 
I think my talents/interests lie more with special needs. I was thrilled when I found the triple board because I thought that might help set me up to have that type of practice. Obviously with reinbursement issues and things like that, it would be a goal for later in my career, but overall still the type of practice i'd really like to have at some point.

Wow, Billypilgrim's response was spot-on. I was thinking triple board as well, but for a number of reasons decided to go straight psychiatry-child psychiatry track, partially based upon talking with several triple board graduates. I think that you really need to give a lot of thought to what kind of practice you envision yourself doing - outpatient, inpatient, or C/L. For instance, if you want to do only inpatient psych on a MR/DD unit but want to also be the primary pediatrician for these kids when they are an inpatient, then triple board would make sense. Also, the triple board can be helpful (but not essential) for a C&A C/L position. For outpatient however, the reimbursement structure requires you to identify whether the visit is strictly medical or strictly psychiatric, so you can't really do both in a visit without losing your shorts (financially). Good luck and I recommend finding a mentor you can discuss your decision with.

MBK2003
 
during the application process i really really really wanted to do a triple board program ... but 4th year is such a crazy time and there are so many different decisions you are making, its hard to know if you are making the right choice for the right reasons. it was a pretty overwhelming time for me. as much as i felt that it was the right path for me, part of me said that while i would certainly get incredible training to be able to treat kids from two different perspectives, i wasn't totally convinced it would actually make a difference in what i did with my life (as the above posters have also said). somedays i really think i should have pursued it farther (i hate geriatrics, and, with some exceptions, i really dont enjoy the adult medicince part of a general psych residency). but other days i realize it would have been a lot of extra crap for not a lot of extra in my career. who knows. i guess in theory the only people who know for sure are people who have done both the triple board residency and a general psych residency .... and since that person probably doesnt exist, i guess we'll never know!

have you considered a peds residency with a developemental peds fellowship? im sure you could make all your electives during both residency and fellowship child psych electives, and you could come out with a lot of great knowledge to work with that truly special population you seem to be interested in working with.
 
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