Anybody else having issues with new rule to release notes immediately to patients?

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Yes.

I read the comments on the most recent NYTimes article. People shared tales that resulted in them switching physicians after reading notes from their PCP. "He wrote I was was still 'planning' to get married even though I know I told him last time I'd just gotten married! Good riddance to a bad listener and I filed a complaint!"

If that's where the bar is set for criticism...
Gone will be the days of flair, nuanced word choice or erudition couched between the standard DSM criteria of our notes. It will be short and blanched of any opinion, which actually is a part of our diagnostic skill. Patients have asked me to change the most benign things, things that had no impact on treatment or diagnosis or even my secret opinion of them because, "I meant that at the time and you wrote that but what I really meant was..." No one has time for that-- so out it goes! All of it out!

Leadership (who haven't, if ever, written a note since the last century) will say, but it's good for the field, for transparency, for our relationship with the patient! Patients will read these new notes and wonder ... why do I need to see someone who writes a line or two, in the same prose as my history slash PE teacher? My previous psychiarist, Dr. J, nurse practitioner, had the exact same thoughts! What's all the fuss about those extra years of training?

Unfiltered paragraphs of withering wit and stinging observation will be left to those who diligently diagnose personality disorders, those individuals who bravely freelance in Psychiatry-- the ER nurse and intrepid inpatient physical therapist.
 
But not psychotherapy notes. Can't you just put what you don't want the patient to see in there? I know from experience with Social Security they even let doctors go in after the fact and determine which of their notes they *intended* to be psychotherapy notes and retract them from the overall record if they didn't keep psychotherapy notes separately.
 
But not psychotherapy notes. Can't you just put what you don't want the patient to see in there? I know from experience with Social Security they even let doctors go in after the fact and determine which of their notes they *intended* to be psychotherapy notes and retract them from the overall record if they didn't keep psychotherapy notes separately.
Psychotherapy notes are process notes they aren’t part of the medical record and most psychiatrists don’t keep such notes. If it’s in the medical record it’s not a psychotherapy note.
 
I can't believe they're doing this with psych notes of all things.
Why not? There’s a lot of hysteria about this. I trained in a system with open notes and that was almost 7 years ago. The VA has had this for almost 20 years. Despite all the fears the sky has not fallen. They have always been able to review and request records. Documentation should be written with the expectation that patients and their families will read it. Also assume one day these notes will end up in court. I frequently shared my notes (particularly my assessment and formulation) with patients before open notes became widespread and encourage patients to review their inpatient notes as well. The net positive outweighs the negative. Of course I don’t put everything I “really think” in the records and instead communicate those things to others in other ways (via email, in person communication or sticky notes in the chart).
 
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I agree with splik and I don't see how this is a big change. Previously in order to deny a patient's access to their psych notes you had to demonstrate that risk of physical harm to them or someone else might result. I have never run into such a case and don't expect to. Blocking people's access to their own medical records interferes with their ability to facilitate medical LOA and communication among their physicians, and has no benefit that I can see.

The medical record is not the place for flair or erudition, and certainly not for anything withering or stinging (!). It is a place where the facts of the diagnosis and tx plan can be stored for the reference of those with a need to know.

If you want to write satire please submit to a publication for creative writing. Your patients' charts are not the place.
 
Psychotherapy notes are process notes they aren’t part of the medical record and most psychiatrists don’t keep such notes. If it’s in the medical record it’s not a psychotherapy note.
I put mine in there but they are super short and formulaic. Goals for treatment, techniques used in session, result of assessment form, homework. 3-5 lines, done and I don't care who sees them.

I never put unnecessary psychosocial details in any chart notes. 'Discussed marital/family/work-related/whatever stressors' is about as specific as it gets.
 
I put mine in there but they are super short and formulaic. Goals for treatment, techniques used in session, result of assessment form, homework. 3-5 lines, done and I don't care who sees them.
By the legal definition in the US, what you are describing are not "psychotherapy notes." They are progress notes about a psychotherapy visit, which are very much a part of the medical record and something the patient has a right to.

Edit: HIPAA Privacy Regulations: Definitions - Psychotherapy Notes - § 164.501
"Psychotherapy notes excludes medication prescription and monitoring, counseling session start and stop times, the modalities and frequencies of treatment furnished, results of clinical tests, and any summary of the following items: diagnosis, functional status, the treatment plan, symptoms, prognosis, and progress to date.
...Information in these notes is not intended to communicate to, or even be seen by, persons other than the therapist."
 
Absolutely no change for me. I came up i the VA system. We have always written our therapy and other eval notes with the notion that patients could read them at any time. Didn't change when I left the VA. Never been an issue. I'm pretty up front in my feedback about what's in the report, so it's never been a surprise when they read it later.
 
I work in the inpatient setting. We have a computer in our day room that patients can access without observation/restriction. One issue that we've been concerned about his patients accessing their daily progress notes while still on the unit (our institution's implementation results in immediate release of documentation as soon as the note is signed).

Outside of very specific circumstances, though, I think there's a lot of concern about this that really is unwarranted. I think patients have a lot of fantasies about what's in routine clinical documentation that is quickly crushed as soon as they see a progress note and realize how boring it is. Implementation of the CURES Act has changed my documentation exactly zero. I put a lot of thought into what I write and have no problem with patients reading it. I think the reality is that most people probably won't read their notes on a regular basis, and for those that do, I don't think it'll be as big of a problem as most people think it will be. Depending on the setting you work in, you might have patients that are largely indifferent and don't care (e.g., I'm not worried that patients that I see in our county hospital population are actually going to take the time to review their notes). I imagine personality disordered and/or "higher functioning" patients might be more interested, but I think the likelihood that a patient is going to go through your documentation with a fine-toothed comb is actually pretty low.
 
No issues here. Only change I’ve made is writing out abbreviations and using less medical jargon.
 
Why not? There’s a lot of hysteria about this. I trained in a system with open notes and that was almost 7 years ago. The VA has had this for almost 20 years. Despite all the fears the sky has not fallen. The patient is the owner of their medical records. They have always been able to review and request records. Documentation should be written with the expectation that patients and their families will read it. Also assume one day these notes will end up in court. I frequently shared my notes (particularly my assessment and formulation) with patients before open notes became widespread and encourage patients to review their inpatient notes as well. The net positive outweighs the negative. Of course I don’t put everything I “really think” in the records and instead communicate those things to others in other ways (via email, in person communication or sticky notes in the chart)

I'm not sure I entirely agree. Say for example you see a psychotic patient. I don't usually confront patients and tell them they are delusional, purely for clinical reasons as I don't believe most of the time this is helpful. This has been clinically useful as I can latch on their distress/emotional aspect to engage in treatment. Now if they read their notes they will see 'delusional' on the MSE or in the formulation, which is likely to take the treatment a few steps back and complicate the therapeutic relationship. There's no doubt that if you write everything with the expectation that pts will be reviewing it in real time, it will take away the value of what you want to put in the record. We can't afford to be fully transparent in psychiatry.

I worked at the VA (an excellent one, tied to a premier academic center). The large majority of veterans do not read their notes. People generally worried though about the few who regularly did and it was sort of made known 'this vet reads their notes every time, watch out'. So it hasn't been without its issues.
 
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I'm not sure I entirely agree. Say for example you see a psychotic patient. I don't usually confront patients and tell them they are delusional, purely for clinical reasons as I don't believe most of the time this is helpful. This has been clinically useful as I can latch on their distress/emotional aspect to engage in treatment. Now if they read their notes they will see 'delusional' on the MSE or in the formulation, which is likely to take the treatment a few steps back and complicate the therapeutic relationship. There's no doubt that if you write everything with the expectation that pts will be reviewing it in real time, it will take away the value of what you want to put in the record. We can't afford to be fully transparent in psychiatry.

I worked at the VA (an excellent one, tied to a premier academic center). The large majority of veterans do not read their notes. People generally worried though about the few who regularly did and it was sort of made known 'this vet reads their notes every time, watch out'. So it hasn't been without its issues.
I think that that the majority of my psychotic patients will not be going through notes. I worry more about patients who have personality disorders but think they have axis 1. I anticipate some growing pains but overall agree that patients should have easier access to their records.
 
Not sure how this works with paper charts.

It doesn’t it has to do with electronic health information specifically.

In regard to all the comments above, one thing I do think is a huge problem is that with especially larger health systems (epic, allscripts, etc) they are now basically PUSHING notifications to patients that they have new clinical information. So basically as soon as you sign your note or put new info into the patients chart, the get an email saying “you have new clinical information in your my chart, click here to check it out!” The CURES act only mandates that notes must not be blocked and must be available free of charge. So you could easily just make it available to access through the app without alerting people every time. We all know from a behavioral standpoint people are much more likely to respond to active notifications rather than having to go retrieve the information for themselves.

This is where I see new problems start to pop up as people who would have otherwise never bothered or cared to read notes start getting alerts about this and go just check it out to see what’s in there. Then they see you didn’t update some random thing in their social history or see you quoting them and want to run back and tell you you need to update that.
 
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I think that that the majority of my psychotic patients will not be going through notes. I worry more about patients who have personality disorders but think they have axis 1. I anticipate some growing pains but overall agree that patients should have easier access to their records.

I actually worry less about personality pts cause you don't really need the dx if pts are not on board.

Overall I'm not sure why something like this needs to be passed. The primary function of notes is communication between HCPs. Patients always had access to their record if needed. My guess lobbying by 3rd party players had a big role. There's a ton of money to be made by having PHI jump around in apps with little restriction. Somehow I'm skeptical that the Trump administration gave two s**** about "patient right".
 
I actually worry less about personality pts cause you don't really need the dx if pts are not on board.

Overall I'm not sure why something like this needs to be passed. The primary function of notes is communication between HCPs. Patients always had access to their record if needed. My guess lobbying by 3rd party players had a big role. There's a ton of money to be made by having PHI jump around in apps with little restriction. Somehow I'm skeptical that the Trump administration gave two s**** about "patient right".

The five biggest lobbyists on the CURES Act were Roche Holdings, BCBS, PhRMA, AMGEN, and the AHA.
 
I have a little sympathy for the desire to have easier access to notes as someone with a significant medical condition who has attempted to obtain my own records in the past. At one point it took three months and four hours of phone calls (only possibly between 8:30 AM and 3:30 PM M-F, except federal and state holidays and every third Tuesday) to get access to the results of a very basic diagnostic procedure. It was a big deal when my previous employer 'permitted' their employees with EMR access to look at their own records directly, but family members still off-limits regardless of designated health care representative forms.

That said I also wish this hadn't happened and it is probably going to change how I document a bit. Certainly no diagnosis is going to be recorded without criteria being very explicitly justified in assessment, i don't want to get into nitpicking arguments.

I work with a lot of FEP folks at one of my jobs so we have generally had the conversation about diagnostic labels being a way of understanding their experience but not the only way because I figure they are going to find out what I am documenting anyway. I tend less to say someone is having delusions and just describe the assertions i think might be delusional along with the evidence and let people draw their own conclusions. I am a pretty open book about my clinical opinions but then I only really work with voluntary patients.

The trickiest bit I anticipate is when i would really like to communicate concerns about a feigned component to presenting symptoms and documentation of external motivations relevant to treatment. Not everyone is willing to take calls/respond to emails relevant to care coordination so I am not sure how to go about this now. Any suggestions?
 
I agree with splik and I don't see how this is a big change. Previously in order to deny a patient's access to their psych notes you had to demonstrate that risk of physical harm to them or someone else might result. I have never run into such a case and don't expect to. Blocking people's access to their own medical records interferes with their ability to facilitate medical LOA and communication among their physicians, and has no benefit that I can see.

The medical record is not the place for flair or erudition, and certainly not for anything withering or stinging (!). It is a place where the facts of the diagnosis and tx plan can be stored for the reference of those with a need to know.

If you want to write satire please submit to a publication for creative writing. Your patients' charts are not the place.

We’ve had one or two issues with this. Mainly schizophrenic patients demanding any diagnosis inferring psychosis be removed from the chart. Also lost one or two severe personality patients (who were dangerous towards themselves) leave because of their diagnoses. No idea what happened to them but they no-showed most recent appointments and haven’t been back in touch.

I also think Clause’s point about malingering. When someone is obviously malingering, I document it along with the specific secondary gain. Even if it’s not malingering and more of a somatic symptom picture, these patients are almost always angry when you tell them they’re medically fine.
 
I know that there are procedures for handling these situations, but I've always been leery about child/adolescent patient notes. Like, what if we have to document that we think they're being abused or about sexual health that they don't want their parents to know about? etc etc. Yes there are locked or hidden notes, but what if someone forgets/can't find/doesn't know about these options? I'm not sure I trust the healthcare system to get the requisite info out to every provider.
 
Only problem I have so far is a daughter of a demented patient who is not stable herself IMHO calling multiple times per day after reading notes. She demands we basically not give medications for agitation scheduled or prn. She signed her mother in for voluntary treatment so I am going to ask her if she wants to take her home. She visits wearing 3 masks and 1 glove which she only touches things with. She literally is holding the staff hostage. Taking time up from SW, CM, NP, and at times myself.

I worked at the VA and had a few object and want things taken out. Mostly because of their service connection. Many were trying to play the system and I would document they say they are depress but present otherwise. Or have PTSD but really not.
 
Only problem I have so far is a daughter of a demented patient who is not stable herself IMHO calling multiple times per day after reading notes. She demands we basically not give medications for agitation scheduled or prn. She signed her mother in for voluntary treatment so I am going to ask her if she wants to take her home. She visits wearing 3 masks and 1 glove which she only touches things with. She literally is holding the staff hostage. Taking time up from SW, CM, NP, and at times myself.

I worked at the VA and had a few object and want things taken out. Mostly because of their service connection. Many were trying to play the system and I would document they say they are depress but present otherwise. Or have PTSD but really not.

We'd get that now and then. Most of us always refused to change the note/report, but just added an addendum noting the Vets raised objection to whatever point they were making. The only caveat was the rare circumstance of a factual mistake (date, location, etc).
 
I was already pretty far on the side of summarizing personal/sensitive details so that hasn't change much. I feel like there were edge cases where I would like my note to be able to communicate things to other docs pretty straightforwardly that I may have to sanitize more now.

Prior to all this I had twice received records amendment requests. Both were patients who I saw as consults in the ED during residency who pulled their records afterward and saw that we documented that they were likely having delusions. We did not ultimately change the record.
 
The VA has indeed had this for a very long time. I don't think it's helpful for patients. People who should review their chart almost never do and patients who are actively harmed by discussions of personality pathology uniformly do. Service connection adds a whole different level of complication. You can definitely practice medicine with this, but I don't think it's good overall for everyone.
 
Would love to see how that might change our medical terminology over the long term. My guess is the health record/terminology in general will be seen as an extension of physician-patient communication, rather than physician-physician communication. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with more PC terms for psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, poor insight/judgement, lol. Just one more step towards the commercialization of everything.
 
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Would love to see how that might change our medical terminology over the long term. My guess is the health record/terminology in general will be seen as an extension of physician-patient communication, rather than physician-physician communication. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with more PC terms for psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, poor insight/judgement, lol. Just one more step towards the commercialization of everything.
Oh god, this is so terrifyingly probable. “Can you believe it, the doctor said that these shadow people aren’t real, and that I have ‘idiosyncratic visual perceptions’? She’s the idiot!”
 
Would love to see how that might change our medical terminology over the long term. My guess is the health record/terminology in general will be seen as an extension of physician-patient communication, rather than physician-physician communication. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with more PC terms for psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, poor insight/judgement, lol. Just one more step towards the commercialization of everything.
Are you saying the number one driver for healthcare shouldn't be the patient rating me in the same manner as an uber driver?!?
 
Are you saying the number one driver for healthcare shouldn't be the patient rating me in the same manner as an uber driver?!?

You can be accurate and completely transparent in notes and still have good patient ratings. I would have patients read my summary and recs prior to feedback, with no vague jargon or other junk, and was still in the top 10% for the MH service in aggregate ratings. And this is with being very frank with patients about their diagnoses, even when part of their pathology is anosognosia. Honestly, patients and their family members are usually just happy that someone is taking the time to take to them openly and explain things, even if the news is blunt. One of the most common things people say when they thank me is that they are tired of feeling like other providers dance around the issue and won't tell them difficult things.
 
You can be accurate and completely transparent in notes and still have good patient ratings. I would have patients read my summary and recs prior to feedback, with no vague jargon or other junk, and was still in the top 10% for the MH service in aggregate ratings. And this is with being very frank with patients about their diagnoses, even when part of their pathology is anosognosia. Honestly, patients and their family members are usually just happy that someone is taking the time to take to them openly and explain things, even if the news is blunt. One of the most common things people say when they thank me is that they are tired of feeling like other providers dance around the issue and won't tell them difficult things.

This accords with my experience. I think it's probably going to be a matter of personal style to some extent - when I am very frank and direct about telling patients things I think are clinically relevant it mostly seems to go very well, but I can believe that it wouldn't work as well for other folks depending on personality/demographic factors etc.

My biggest problem with this honestly comes with patients who are in the biz, i.e. mental health professionals. They tend to be the ones coming in with the strongest opinions about diagnosis etc and obviously they are going to read between the lines if they decide to access their notes. They also are most likely to decide I'm a quack if they disagree with my assessment without really taking the time to hear me out when I try to explain it to them. Not sure how to address this.
 
This accords with my experience. I think it's probably going to be a matter of personal style to some extent - when I am very frank and direct about telling patients things I think are clinically relevant it mostly seems to go very well, but I can believe that it wouldn't work as well for other folks depending on personality/demographic factors etc.

My biggest problem with this honestly comes with patients who are in the biz, i.e. mental health professionals. They tend to be the ones coming in with the strongest opinions about diagnosis etc and obviously they are going to read between the lines if they decide to access their notes. They also are most likely to decide I'm a quack if they disagree with my assessment without really taking the time to hear me out when I try to explain it to them. Not sure how to address this.

Well, that, and the people who are really invested in the identity that comes with their controversial diagnosis (e.g., Chronic Lyme's, Post-concussive syndrome, etc). Most of the time you know it's coming, and it's usually a small enough number that it doesn't affect me too much.
 
You can be accurate and completely transparent in notes and still have good patient ratings.
While this is true, there are clearly a near infinite number of circumstances where doing the right thing for the patient is associated with worse ratings. This has already had large studies done where higher rated care by patients was associated with worse outcomes (I know you, and I know you know this study). For any one individual encounter, the patient stating that "either you give me xyz controlled medication or I complain to your boss/write a bad review" puts the doctor in direct conflict of ratings vs doing the right thing. Once we acknowledge that for a subset of patients doing what would yield a good rating leads to worse outcomes, its very clear that measuring such a score is misguided at best and more likely frankly dangerous. Humans respond to incentives and likes, this includes doctors, and based on PCP prescribing pattern data we already know there are large concerns in this domain that does not need extra fuel added to the fire.
 
You can be accurate and completely transparent in notes and still have good patient ratings. I would have patients read my summary and recs prior to feedback, with no vague jargon or other junk, and was still in the top 10% for the MH service in aggregate ratings. And this is with being very frank with patients about their diagnoses, even when part of their pathology is anosognosia. Honestly, patients and their family members are usually just happy that someone is taking the time to take to them openly and explain things, even if the news is blunt. One of the most common things people say when they thank me is that they are tired of feeling like other providers dance around the issue and won't tell them difficult things.

I agree that this is more a style issue. I take a 'gentle' approach and it has worked for me. Documentation now will be an extension of the clinical approach with the patient which could be manageable, but imo is not the point of it. Having said that, I have not seen a more direct approach work very well in psychosis (based on observations of attendings on inpt unit...etc). When pts are confronted that their beliefs are possibly not rooted in reality or cliche statements that their 'brain is playing tricks on them', it usually does not go very well.
 
While this is true, there are clearly a near infinite number of circumstances where doing the right thing for the patient is associated with worse ratings. This has already had large studies done where higher rated care by patients was associated with worse outcomes (I know you, and I know you know this study). For any one individual encounter, the patient stating that "either you give me xyz controlled medication or I complain to your boss/write a bad review" puts the doctor in direct conflict of ratings vs doing the right thing. Once we acknowledge that for a subset of patients doing what would yield a good rating leads to worse outcomes, its very clear that measuring such a score is misguided at best and more likely frankly dangerous. Humans respond to incentives and likes, this includes doctors, and based on PCP prescribing pattern data we already know there are large concerns in this domain that does not need extra fuel added to the fire.

I am in complete agreement that the way that patent satisfaction is measured is at best useless, and at worst, leads to worse outcomes. At least in my practice, I'd say that transparency in notes and documentation has been a net positive. ****ty pts who want to complain about baseless things, are going to complain about them regardless of how things are documented.
 
I agree that this is more a style issue. I take a 'gentle' approach and it has worked for me. Documentation now will be an extension of the clinical approach with the patient which could be manageable, but imo is not the point of it. Having said that, I have not seen a more direct approach work very well in psychosis (based on observations of attendings on inpt unit...etc). When pts are confronted that their beliefs are possibly not rooted in reality or cliche statements that their 'brain is playing tricks on them', it usually does not go very well.

Granted, the majority of psychosis/delusions/hallucinations I deal with occur in the context of a dementia process, but the documentation and feedback are still the same. I can imagine in an acute psychosis within an ongoing treatment setting, but this would not be a regular occurrence for most non-specialty providers.
 
They tend to be the ones coming in with the strongest opinions about diagnosis etc and obviously they are going to read between the lines if they decide to access their notes. They also are most likely to decide I'm a quack if they disagree with my assessment without really taking the time to hear me out when I try to explain it to them. Not sure how to address this.
Seems like that's ultimately about your relationship with the patient. If you get the sense that they'll disagree with your assessment or with what you plan to write in your note then I think that's a sign that you have to discuss those things with them while they're still with you in the room (or on video.) You can't ultimately control what they do with that discussion outside of the extra emotional effort it takes to maintain therapeutic positive regard/demeanor when a patient is angry with you.

(I am not assuming that you don't do all of this already.)
 
The trickiest bit I anticipate is when i would really like to communicate concerns about a feigned component to presenting symptoms and documentation of external motivations relevant to treatment. Not everyone is willing to take calls/respond to emails relevant to care coordination so I am not sure how to go about this now. Any suggestions?
Well those people who arent interested in care coordination are also not reading your notes. 75+% of my patients are those with FND, somatization, factitious disorder and other things on the abnormal illness behavior spectrum. I also see the patients feigning in the ED etc. I rarely include malingering as a diagnosis and only mention this where there is clear reason to do so (e.g. wanting to avoid hospitalization in recalcitrant antisocial patients). instead what I do is clearly document all the inconsistencies I have noted from chart review, collateral, patient comments, subjective vs objective observations, psychological testing etc. Typically I might use some phrase like "it is my opinion x is not accurately reporting their symptoms."

Most patients have incentives for being ill (and this is particularly true for my pts) and I discuss with them frankly during the first session. "No one wants to be sick and suffering the way you are, but sometimes it can be hard to imagine getting better and there are always barriers that get in the way of recovery. That can be things like not having to work in a toxic environment, your partner being nicer to you, getting disability, avoiding certain obligations and so on. It is important for us to identify what factors might get in the way." And usually I have them complete some sort of pros and cons of staying the same vs changing. So I absolutely include these things including financial incentives etc in my notes. I also tell patients "you can have treatment or you can have disability, you cannot have both." [of course there are obvious exceptions like pts w/ psychosis but you know what I mean].

For patients with factitious disorder who are hurting themselves through medical procedures or inducing illness, that's covered by the physical harm exception in the 21st century cures act. So they don't get to see their records.

For other patients who I think might have factitious disorder, I discuss this with them openly saying I don't know but it is one thing on the differential.

There will always be (and always have been) patients who object to what you put in the medical record. For the most part the bar is very high to prevent patients accessing their records, but for those patients who definitely should not, the law provides enough latitude to prevent them from seeing their notes in real time, and to redact or limit the release otherwise. I have changed nothing except more mindful of not copying forward things since we moved to open notes.
 
For patients with factitious disorder who are hurting themselves through medical procedures or inducing illness, that's covered by the physical harm exception in the 21st century cures act. So they don't get to see their records.
I understand you can block the note from immediate electronic release under the new cures act, but these patients can simply request them from medical records and have them in a few days that way right?
 
I understand you can block the note from immediate electronic release under the new cures act, but these patients can simply request them from medical records and have them in a few days that way right?
No you can restrict access to their records period in certain cases. Again this is only in cases where there is substantial risk of physical harm to self or others. Factitious disorder is probably one of the few things that counts as physical harm to self (you cant block someone's access to their records because they're suicidal for example). In terms of danger to self I have only once ever blocked a patient from accessing my notes that was someone with extensive forensic history, delusional disorder, threatening to kill multiple people and I had good reason to believe I would become ensnared in this delusional system if pt read what I wrote.

At my institution no records are released without the psychiatrist reviewing the records in question first.
 
We have used our current EMR for 8 years and notes have always been available as soon as we have signed and submitted them. Patients supply an email and the EMR sends a link they can use to read, print off, share access, etc.

We've had no issues with it at all. They supply SSI, other providers, insurance companies whatever they need. I complete and submit the note as I talk to them.
 
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