Anyone else disciplined for preferring carib over DO?

[VictorsLilSecrt]

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I recently received an "infraction" from ShyRem (an osteopath mod) for posting the following in a discussion about the new osteopath for-profit school, Rocky Vista University:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose this school over the top 4-5 Caribbean schools. From what I understand, at least the carib schools offer US financial aid in the form of grad plus loans. And, of course, the coveted "MD." And a better shot at legitimate (i.e., non-osteopathic residencies), such as surgery, etc.

I'm just not sure "staying in CO" for 1.5 yrs would be worth it. Actually, I can't imagine a worse career move. But I guess someone has to do it, or else they wouldn't exist."

I'm curious whether anyone else has been disciplined by a DO mod for stating they prefer carib MD?

 

[McGillGrad]

Sounds like someone being a mod bully to me.

 

[Shodddy18]

I recently received an "infraction" from ShyRem (an osteopath mod) for posting the following in a discussion about the new osteopath for-profit school, Rocky Vista University:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose this school over the top 4-5 Caribbean schools. From what I understand, at least the carib schools offer US financial aid in the form of grad plus loans. And, of course, the coveted "MD." And a better shot at legitimate (i.e., non-osteopathic residencies), such as surgery, etc.

I'm just not sure "staying in CO" for 1.5 yrs would be worth it. Actually, I can't imagine a worse career move. But I guess someone has to do it, or else they wouldn't exist."

I'm curious whether anyone else has been disciplined by a DO mod for stating they prefer carib MD?

You know, maybe its not about your preference, but rather the fact that you infer that osteopathic residencies are illegitimate You also imply that DO's are less capable of obtaining "legitimate" allopathic residencies. It does not surprise me that you were warned... other users have been banned for saying things far less stupidcool:🙄

 

[oldpro]

You know, maybe its not about your preference, but rather the fact that you infer that osteopathic residencies are illegitimate You also imply that DO's are less capable of obtaining "legitimate" allopathic residencies. It does not surprise me that you were warned... other users have been banned for saying things far less stupidcool:🙄

This is not towards SHODDY ( sorry just a comment I wanted to make)

OK so can the DO students stay out of the Caribbean forums with the stupid comments too?

I may not agree with the OP here, I think DO is a legitimate way to go and just as good as Caribbean, But I'm sick and tired of the half truths some DO students insist on posting here. 😎

Also opinion is not a TOS violation on SDN if the OP is telling the truth then the ADMIN for SDN needs to look into it.

 

[Shodddy18]

OK so can the DO students stay out of the Caribbean forums with the stupid comments too?

I may not agree with the OP here, I think DO is a legitimate way to go and just as good as Caribbean, But I'm sick and tired of the half truths some DO students insist on posting here. 😎

Also opinion is not a TOS violation on SDN if the OP is telling the truth then the ADMIN for SDN needs to look into it.

The guy was wondering why he was warned... I posted my opinion. Did I say that DO was a better way to go? Did I bash the Caribbean route? What part of my statement was a half-truth? It is the OP's opinion that DO residencies are illegitimate, others may interpret that as DO bashing. Getting back to the original post, regardless of my opinion, your opinion, or the OP's opinion, many SDN users have been banned before for posting similar opinions.

 

[oldpro]

The guy was wondering why he was warned... I posted my opinion. Did I say that DO was a better way to go? Did I bash the Caribbean route? What part of my statement was a half-truth? It is the OP's opinion that DO residencies are illegitimate, others may interpret that as DO bashing. Getting back to the original post, regardless of my opinion, your opinion, or the OP's opinion, many SDN users have been banned before for posting similar opinions.

I think they are banned for being TROLLS, not having opinions, there is nothing illegitimate about DO as with the WHO and IMED schools in the Caribbean.
What I said was I do not agree with the OP, guess you missed that, But I'm very outspoken to the US MD and DO students who purposely post half truths on the Caribbean forum (Troll Like) and get away with it. Many of these posts are to do nothing but bully others out of attending a viable way to become a Physician.

SHODDY you at a Caribbean school?

 

[Shodddy18]

I think they are banned for being TROLLS, not having opinions, there is nothing illegitimate about DO as with the WHO and IMED schools in the Caribbean.
What I said was I do not agree with the OP, guess you missed that, But I'm very outspoken to the US MD and DO students who purposely post half truths on the Caribbean forum (Troll Like) and get away with it. Many of these posts are to do nothing but bully others out of attending a viable way to become a Physician.

SHODDY you at a Caribbean school?

I'm at a DO school. I did not miss that you disagree with the OP. I guess since you quoted me in your last post I thought you were implying that I was posting half truths on this forum. While I agree that most of those banned from SDN are trolls, I have seen others banned over the past few years simply for being outspoken with their opinions. After all, the difference between posting an unpopular opinion and being a troll comes down to the opinion of the reader. This lesson is as true in real life and medicine as it is here on SDN... be careful about what you say and choose your wording carefully... because you don't know who is listening and what will piss them off!

 

[oldpro]

I'm at a DO school. I did not miss that you disagree with the OP. I guess since you quoted me in your last post I thought you were implying that I was posting half truths on this forum. While I agree that most of those banned from SDN are trolls, I have seen others banned over the past few years simply for being outspoken with their opinions. After all, the difference between posting an unpopular opinion and being a troll comes down to the opinion of the reader. This lesson is as true in real life and medicine as it is here on SDN... be careful about what you say and choose your wording carefully... because you don't know who is listening and what will piss them off!

Oh no if I remember your posting you are usually decent I did not intend for you to be a target.

Also it would disturb me that the ADMIN of SDN would allow others with opinions to be banned, I think true TROLLS should be but if it is honest outspoken opinion then that is just UnAmerican is it not?

 

[mrjbb]

I recently received an "infraction" from ShyRem (an osteopath mod) for posting the following in a discussion about the new osteopath for-profit school, Rocky Vista University:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose this school over the top 4-5 Caribbean schools. From what I understand, at least the carib schools offer US financial aid in the form of grad plus loans. And, of course, the coveted "MD." And a better shot at *legitimate (i.e., non-osteopathic residencies), such as surgery, etc.

I'm just not sure "staying in CO" for 1.5 yrs would be worth it. Actually, I can't imagine a worse career move. But I guess someone has to do it, or else they wouldn't exist."

I'm curious whether anyone else has been disciplined by a DO mod for stating they prefer carib MD?

Here is why you PROBABLY received an infraction... (In bold)

The word legitimate was deeply mis understood... Either that or you actually think AOA approved residencies aren't "legitimate"...🙄

That is a false statement because DO's can apply for allopathic residencies, and why wouldn't an AOA approved residency be "legitimate" and up to "par" with their MD counterparts residencies?

And "i.e. surgery'...?? FYI DO's regularly match into surgical residencies...

Thats probably why you received an infraction... If I was a DO forum mod, I would see your remark just as I've outlined them for you...😀

Maybe you didn't mean this, but thats how it was conveyed and latter on understood...

 

[AlleghenyPOD]

I recently received an "infraction" from ShyRem (an osteopath mod) for posting the following in a discussion about the new osteopath for-profit school, Rocky Vista University:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose this school over the top 4-5 Caribbean schools. From what I understand, at least the carib schools offer US financial aid in the form of grad plus loans. And, of course, the coveted "MD." And a better shot at legitimate (i.e., non-osteopathic residencies), such as surgery, etc.

I'm just not sure "staying in CO" for 1.5 yrs would be worth it. Actually, I can't imagine a worse career move. But I guess someone has to do it, or else they wouldn't exist."

I'm curious whether anyone else has been disciplined by a DO mod for stating they prefer carib MD?

I see nothing wrong with your statement at all. It was an honest opinion..

 

[DrMidlife]

I see nothing wrong with your statement at all. It was an honest opinion..

DO's have surgery residencies, etc. Neurosurg, rads, derm even. Misinformation is not opinion. Saying DO is illegitimate is trolling.

So, honestly misinformed troll.

 

[oldpro]

DO's have surgery residencies, etc. Neurosurg, rads, derm even. Misinformation is not opinion. Saying DO is illegitimate is trolling.

So, honestly misinformed troll.

YES this is the problem so I would have asked them to edit first, not throw an infraction right away. I do not know if they are a troll? Thats harsh.

Saying DO is illegitimate

Wrong and stupid statement as much as some said on the Caribbean forum by some people, of course not by this poster ( the onbe I quoted) , others.

 

[oldpro]

One thing is obvious but keeps getting swept "Under the rug" by DO students

There is an Image problem with DO as there is with Caribbean / FMG

If there was not then there would not be the crap posted:

DO is back up
"I do not want the initials DO"
"I do not want to explain"
Caribbean never......................................

DO should be a 1st choice not 2nd or 3rd IMHO

Caribbean of course 2nd or 3rd , unless and after the circumstances make it the best choice, like the only way to study medicine for someone (Was my case, long story but I'm 43 currently), Too many want to make it out that most of these students who go to the caribbean had a choice LOL Fact is a few did and do but most do not, MCAT, GPA and at times plain life make it the choice...........DO not kid yourselves ........ and YES the people who can be dedicated and pass and do the work should be Physicians there is more to it then just grades in undergrad and the MCAT means little to a Physician's practice.

 

[VictorsLilSecrt]

I actually agree with what some of you have said. "Legitimate" was a bad word choice. I wasn't intending to infer that osteopathic residencies don't allow licensure; I meant that osteopathic residencies are widely regarded as the lowest level of residency. Even the osteopaths themselves don't want the majority of them. They shut down without warning, and they severely limit job prospects. I don't think any of this a secret, nor is it even my "opinion." It's just how it is.

But anyway, none of the above was the reason for the "infraction." The PM from ShyRem states, "the 'bashing' osteopathic schools is not permitted in any form at SDN." Thus, apparently stating that I'd go to a carib school before Rocky Vista is school bashing, which warrants an infraction.

Just thought some of you here might find that interesting, that's all.

 

[Pansit]

I actually agree with what some of you have said. "Legitimate" was a bad word choice. I wasn't intending to infer that osteopathic residencies don't allow licensure; I meant that osteopathic residencies are widely regarded as the lowest level of residency. Even the osteopaths themselves don't want the majority of them. They shut down without warning, and they severely limit job prospects. I don't think any of this a secret, nor is it even my "opinion." It's just how it is.

But anyway, none of the above was the reason for the "infraction." The PM from ShyRem states, "the 'bashing' osteopathic schools is not permitted in any form at SDN." Thus, apparently stating that I'd go to a carib school before Rocky Vista is school bashing, which warrants an infraction.

Just thought some of you here might find that interesting, that's all.

I just want to correct you here on this:

The DO primary care residencies are what is considered mostly lower tier (although this is very ambigous because ppl take location, family..etc more into account when deciding, and not necesarilly all on the strenght of the program) and many go unfilled...about half of DO's go through the ACGME to fill their primary care spots...However...the DO specialty residencies have no problem attracting applicants and rarely if ever "shutdown"...

But the main fact is that DO residencies are there no matter what...the Carribbean students will have to pin all their hopes on the ACGME residency whether they are strongly competitive or not...at least with the DO, if you dont think you have the numbers for a competitive ACGME residency, you may have a stronger shot at one through the AOA

 

[Shinken]

I actually agree with what some of you have said. "Legitimate" was a bad word choice. I wasn't intending to infer that osteopathic residencies don't allow licensure; I meant that osteopathic residencies are widely regarded as the lowest level of residency. Even the osteopaths themselves don't want the majority of them. They shut down without warning, and they severely limit job prospects. I don't think any of this a secret, nor is it even my "opinion." It's just how it is.

But anyway, none of the above was the reason for the "infraction." The PM from ShyRem states, "the 'bashing' osteopathic schools is not permitted in any form at SDN." Thus, apparently stating that I'd go to a carib school before Rocky Vista is school bashing, which warrants an infraction.

Just thought some of you here might find that interesting, that's all.

I think part of the problem is that you're an inexperienced pre-med. Don't believe all you "hear" on SDN. Osteopathic residency programs are just like allopathic programs: some are great, some are good, some are so-so, some are bad. Not all that's allopathic is great, not all that's osteopathic is bad. Of course, reading the Caribbean forum you'd think it's a miracle that osteopathic medicine exists in the first place. Most people on the Carib forum are enamored by two letters, even though both MDs and DOs are exactly equal in terms of the practice of medicine in real life.

Osteopathic residency programs don't close without warning (that's ludicrous), they don't severely limit job prospects (whatever that means), and yes, it is your opinion because it's based on what you believe and what you've "heard" without real proof. Then again, that's what SDN apparently is all about.

Besides, an infraction on SDN is not a big deal. Why make so much out of it? It's not like you'll be applying for a medical license in the future and they'll deny it because you got an infraction on SDN.

You'll realize that whether you go to a US DO or MD school or a Carib MD school, if your goals are met it's all good. Some people are shocked at how equal MDs and DOs are in the real world once you get away from SDN opinion.

 

[Pansit]

I recently received an "infraction" from ShyRem (an osteopath mod) for posting the following in a discussion about the new osteopath for-profit school, Rocky Vista University:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose this school over the top 4-5 Caribbean schools. From what I understand, at least the carib schools offer US financial aid in the form of grad plus loans. And, of course, the coveted "MD." And a better shot at legitimate (i.e., non-osteopathic residencies), such as surgery, etc.

I'm just not sure "staying in CO" for 1.5 yrs would be worth it. Actually, I can't imagine a worse career move. But I guess someone has to do it, or else they wouldn't exist."

I'm curious whether anyone else has been disciplined by a DO mod for stating they prefer carib MD?

Let me rephase this statement to see if you would take offense:

"I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm really surprised people choose SGU over any legitimate American Medical School. From what I understand, DO schools offer all federal loan help (including Military), better professors, better clinical opportunities, better facilities, more residency opportunities...etc. And, of course, the coveted title of Physician, ie. Medical Doctor, which is the reason we all attend medical school. (not something as trivial as degree initials, which surprisingly is why some ppl do it...yeah, I know, their so misinformed). At least at a DO school you are a "legitimate" american medical student, fully recognized by the government as such, and fully recognized as an American Medical Graduate. We all know, the US is the leader in medicine, and nothing more legitimate than being a student who graduated from there..not some 3 world country..."

hopefully I didnt convince you there as to why ppl would actually choose a DO school over SGU, as it was meant to be satirical...

 

[oldpro]

I think part of the problem is that you're an inexperienced pre-med. Don't believe all you "hear" on SDN. Osteopathic residency programs are just like allopathic programs: some are great, some are good, some are so-so, some are bad. Not all that's allopathic is great, not all that's osteopathic is bad. Of course, reading the Caribbean forum you'd think it's a miracle that osteopathic medicine exists in the first place. Most people on the Carib forum are enamored by two letters, even though both MDs and DOs are exactly equal in terms of the practice of medicine in real life.

Well this is crap I have never said this only that I decided (This is an honest opinion) to be an MD because thats what I wanted. I did not want to go through COMLEX and OM but that was a personal choice. I have also said some others feel the same way, I have always thought you should believe in the philosophy of what you are embracing in study in medicine if that is what you choose.

You'll realize that whether you go to a US DO or MD school or a Carib MD school, if your goals are met it's all good. Some people are shocked at how equal MDs and DOs are in the real world once you get away from SDN opinion.

This is the best thing you have posted! 👍