Anyone interested in making a EM residency spreadsheet?

[EMSpreadsheet]

Hello all,

Would anybody be interested in contributing to a Google spreadsheet of EM residency programs? We could include basic information like location, number of residents, and number of interviews but also include finer details like # of shifts per month, number of floor/ICU/whatever (off service) months, and so forth.

Yes, much of this information is available on individual residency websites but it is not centralized and cumbersome to sift through dozens of residency websites. It could be a great resource for applicants such as myself next year.

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[deleted547339]

Hello all,

Would anybody be interested in contributing to a Google spreadsheet of EM residency programs? We could include basic information like location, number of residents, and number of interviews but also include finer details like # of shifts per month, number of floor/ICU/whatever (off service) months, and so forth.

Yes, much of this information is available on individual residency websites but it is not centralized and cumbersome to sift through dozens of residency websites. It could be a great resource for applicants such as myself next year.

The problem is that this stuff changes every year and will become nearly entirely out of date in the course of a few years.

Hate to rain on your parade.

 

[gamerEMdoc]

Most choose their residency based on location, family/spouse reasons, experience as a student, etc. Small differences in curriculum are so meaningless in the longrun, I just can't believe anyone truly, honestly, cares enough about them to really base where they want to train on the "finer details". Just my opinion.

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

That's fair guys. I realize the details can change from year to year. My hope would be that we could continue to edit it to reflect new changes in the programs.

Also, the finer details part wasn't that we would decide which residency to go to. It is more of a guide for applicants like myself that plan to apply to several dozen programs and outside of location (there's only 15-20 that are an "ideal" location for me) don't have a solid idea of which programs would be worth applying to.

If it won't work or people aren't interested then no problem.

 

[Cinematographer]

Some of the information you are requesting is already available on FREIDA: http://ow.ly/ZLad1

If you are an ≤MS3, all I have left to add is that you are wasting time looking up this information at your stage.

Edit: Fixed the link.

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

Some of the information you are requesting is already available on FREIDA: http://ow.ly/ZLad1

If you are an ≤MS3, all I have left to add is that you are wasting time looking up this information at your stage.

Edit: Fixed the link.

I've been on FREIDA. Very helpful for some things, downright useless and/or inaccurate in many cases. I am finishing up MS3 in a couple months.

 

[Cinematographer]

I've been on FREIDA. Very helpful for some things, downright useless and/or inaccurate in many cases. I am finishing up MS3 in a couple months.

Focus on doing well on STEP 2 and excelling on your aways. The information you are requesting is highly irrelevant to you until you've gotten those two things taken care off.

 

[mega_colon]

EMRA has a list of programs that can be exported as an excel file.

 

[BoardingDoc]

My hope would be that we could continue to edit it to reflect new changes in the programs.

That won't happen. Look at the residency reviews sticky. Half of those programs don't have any reviews for several years. I'm not saying it isn't a good idea in theory, I'm saying that in practice it's going to be outdated by the time it's finished.

 

[HumerusBaker]

If you look at the ROL thread none of those were reasons that affected ROL for the vast majority of applicants. You won't find things like fit online and honestly you can live or deal with almost any location or schedule if you like the people you're working with (geography is important but again you'll see that people who matched down their list were still pretty happy with the program it was more location wasn't ideal). If you hate the people, it doesn't matter if you only work 15 shifts a month or whatever because you'll be miserable anyway. At least that's my 2 cents.

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

If you look at the ROL thread none of those were reasons that affected ROL for the vast majority of applicants. You won't find things like fit online and honestly you can live or deal with almost any location or schedule if you like the people you're working with (geography is important but again you'll see that people who matched down their list were still pretty happy with the program it was more location wasn't ideal). If you hate the people, it doesn't matter if you only work 15 shifts a month or whatever because you'll be miserable anyway. At least that's my 2 cents.

Sure, that makes sense. But unfortunately "fit" enters the equation during and after interviewing, not when selecting which programs to apply to.

I didn't mean for this spreadsheet for people to use to decide which program to rank #1 or #2. I meant it more as a way for people to be able to view specifics on programs prior to application without having to hunt down the information on a website (if it's even on there), by emailing, or just finding out on interview day.

 

[Cinematographer]

Sure, that makes sense. But unfortunately "fit" enters the equation during and after interviewing, not when selecting which programs to apply to.

I didn't mean for this spreadsheet for people to use to decide which program to rank #1 or #2. I meant it more as a way for people to be able to view specifics on programs prior to application without having to hunt down the information on a website (if it's even on there), by emailing, or just finding out on interview day.

No

 

[hoot504]

OP, Wikem.org is trying to put together something more or less like what you want. It's woefully lacking. You could always help them out with it.

https://www.wikem.org/wiki/Emergency_medicine_residency_programs

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

No

Yes

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

OP, Wikem.org is trying to put together something more or less like what you want. It's woefully lacking. You could always help them out with it.

https://www.wikem.org/wiki/Emergency_medicine_residency_programs

Thanks! I'll take a look at this then.

 

[HumerusBaker]

Sure, that makes sense. But unfortunately "fit" enters the equation during and after interviewing, not when selecting which programs to apply to.

I didn't mean for this spreadsheet for people to use to decide which program to rank #1 or #2. I meant it more as a way for people to be able to view specifics on programs prior to application without having to hunt down the information on a website (if it's even on there), by emailing, or just finding out on interview day.

You will apply based on perceived fit. If you love county patients, apply to county hospitals. If you have only been exposed to academic settings, apply to aways at a community or county setting in a geographically desirable (to you) location. If you have no desire to do research, maybe an academic center isn't right for you. Talk to m4s and advisors to and residents that know you and can suggest possible "fits".

 

[DrJavaSunflower]

One advantage I see with the spread sheet is the transparency with work schedule (# of shifts, hours, etc) across residencies in the country. It looks pretty bad to ask this kind of question during interview (I heard this from one of the PDs in his pre-interview presentation and also from several others)...

Just to be fair, we all should know our work schedule.. During my interview trail, some residents voluntarily told us what their shift schedules are like but for some interviews, I left without having any clue about their work hours.

 

[sylvanthus]

Most choose their residency based on location, family/spouse reasons, experience as a student, etc. Small differences in curriculum are so meaningless in the longrun, I just can't believe anyone truly, honestly, cares enough about them to really base where they want to train on the "finer details". Just my opinion.

Agree with this.

 

[racerwad]

One advantage I see with the spread sheet is the transparency with work schedule (# of shifts, hours, etc) across residencies in the country. It looks pretty bad to ask this kind of question during interview (I heard this from one of the PDs in his pre-interview presentation and also from several others)...

Just to be fair, we all should know our work schedule.. During my interview trail, some residents voluntarily told us what their shift schedules are like but for some interviews, I left without having any clue about their work hours.

I always asked work schedule and I definitely would be less than impressed if a program tried to shame me from asking. If a program can't/won't answer willingly, keep that in the back of your mind when ranking. Would you tell someone to take a job if that employer wouldn't tell them the hours they'd be working or other basic components of the job description?

 

[EMSpreadsheet]

Alright so there is some interest after all! @mega_colon where can I get the excel file of all residency programs?