applicant for NYC programs

[sarahjay]

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What is your opinion on Mt. Sinai's psychiatric program?

 

[Manicsleep]

Good in all programs.

If you have good letters, a good personality and show an interest in psychiatry you are pretty much guaranteed somewhere in NYC.

If you want a specific program...its always a crapshoot.

 

[strangeglove]

I agree that with those numbers you should be able to get a slot at some New York program. An important consideration is your interest in research/academia beyond residency. The more "prestigious" programs in NYC (e.g. Columbia, Cornell, NYU, Mt. Sinai), which will provide more direct access to such a career, are interested in your academic (i.e. research, teaching, administrative) background; not just your numbers and clinical experience (though they are certainly interested in these as well).

 

[sarahjay]

Thanks.

 

[Chianti]

You will have a shot at the "big-name" NYC programs...and you will be a shoe-in at St. Luke's and SUNY-Downstate (in Brooklyn).

 

[FURY 161]

Wanted some general feedback on my chances to match into any psych program in NYC. Allopathic medical school in the SouthStep I: 225Grades consisted of mostly B's (with 'A' in psychiatry clerkship)Lots of volunteer work throughout medical school directly relating to psychiatry And also, generally what are psych programs in NYC like? Any feedback is appreciated, thank you so much!

You have a 100% chance in getting a NYC spot. HOWEVER, You will probably experience a cultural shock going to NYC - substandard care (NYC has the worst health care outcomes in the country), disorganized rotations, communication problems ( 1/3 of your patiens will not speak english, but a variety of languages like Polish, Spanish, Italian, Russian, Urdu, Chinese - 2 types, Mandarin and Cantonese, Korean etc.) The community hospitals in NYC and SUNY Downstate do not deserve consideration by an USMG, unless you have a criminal record. They are typically filled with IMGs who have no clue what they are getting into. Several places in NYC deserve to be mentioned. NYU/Bellevue is NOT a research place, but if you are interested in schizophrenia and substance abuse, you can get good exposure there. However, it is pretty disorganized. Cornell has a good reputation for psychoanalytical training. Columbia is THE place for research. Mt Sinai should be fine, but I heard that it is a little bit malignant. If you cannot get Columbia, Sinai or Cornell, think twice before going to NYC. NYC is highly overrated for psychiatry residency training.

 

[cleareyedguy]

I would hesitate to pick a program simply because it's based in New York, especially since there are other places in the country that offer excellent training and may be more accessible.

Anyway, a few corrections.

NO PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY produces a class full of researchers, though it's true that about ten programs in the country have a hefty percentage of residents who have done substantive research.

Cornell does NOT offer psychoanalytic training. No residency does. Analytic training occurs after residency. NYPH/Weill Cornell is, however, one of the stronger programs in terms of psychodynamic training. That program also has one of the 2 or 3 highest percentages of residents who enter with MD/PhD's in the hard sciences (along with MGH/McLean and Columbia), so there is presumably more there than just therapists.

Columbia does emphasize research, but it also has an important psychoanalytic institute within the institution (as does NYU. Mt Sinai has a fairly recent official link to New York Psychoanalytic, while Cornell--supposedly the most analytic program in a city full of analysts--does not have an official link--though quite a few of its full and voluntary faculty are affiliated with Columbia).

I'd be curious where someone read that NY has the worst health outcomes in the country. My bias is that is simply incorrect. It does seem true that there is a significant gap between the top tier hospitals and some of the city hospitals in terms of medical care and resident selectivity (some of the city hospitals are filled with IMG's who may or may not "know what they're getting into"--though who really knows that until you start, while a quick glance at the residents at, say, Cornell and Columbia would make the average person think they only select from Ivy League colleges and medical schools (though that's also too easy a generalization). It's also true that New York is packed with attorneys and public interest groups, and so there is much more of a safety net (particularly for mental health) than there is in many other American cities.

It's probably true that a lot of the patients in New York speak languages other than English. I don't know about all of the hospitals, and it may be true that some are literally filled with people who speak Mandarin or whatever, but a diversity of patient population is one of the draws to New York for most people.

I'm not sure whether or not NYC is "overrated" as a place for psychiatry, but if you look at applicants, residents, faculty, academic production, acceptance by the local culture, availability of private practice work, and/or political influence within the field, New York City dwarfs any other city. That doesn't make the city a good place for any particular person, and there are obviously great people throughout the country/world, and it certainly doesn't imply that the place is filled with perfection, but if you're looking for a quantity of quality, is there any real competitition?

 

[NandeYanen]

I would hesitate to pick a program simply because it's based in New York, especially since there are other places in the country that offer excellent training and may be more accessible.

Anyway, a few corrections.

NO PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY produces a class full of researchers, though it's true that about ten programs in the country have a hefty percentage of residents who have done substantive research.

Cornell does NOT offer psychoanalytic training. No residency does. Analytic training occurs after residency. NYPH/Weill Cornell is, however, one of the stronger programs in terms of psychodynamic training. That program also has one of the 2 or 3 highest percentages of residents who enter with MD/PhD's in the hard sciences (along with MGH/McLean and Columbia), so there is presumably more there than just therapists.

Columbia does emphasize research, but it also has an important psychoanalytic institute within the institution (as does NYU. Mt Sinai has a fairly recent official link to New York Psychoanalytic, while Cornell--supposedly the most analytic program in a city full of analysts--does not have an official link--though quite a few of its full and voluntary faculty are affiliated with Columbia).

I'd be curious where someone read that NY has the worst health outcomes in the country. My bias is that is simply incorrect. It does seem true that there is a significant gap between the top tier hospitals and some of the city hospitals in terms of medical care and resident selectivity (some of the city hospitals are filled with IMG's who may or may not "know what they're getting into"--though who really knows that until you start, while a quick glance at the residents at, say, Cornell and Columbia would make the average person think they only select from Ivy League colleges and medical schools (though that's also too easy a generalization). It's also true that New York is packed with attorneys and public interest groups, and so there is much more of a safety net (particularly for mental health) than there is in many other American cities.

It's probably true that a lot of the patients in New York speak languages other than English. I don't know about all of the hospitals, and it may be true that some are literally filled with people who speak Mandarin or whatever, but a diversity of patient population is one of the draws to New York for most people.

I'm not sure whether or not NYC is "overrated" as a place for psychiatry, but if you look at applicants, residents, faculty, academic production, acceptance by the local culture, availability of private practice work, and/or political influence within the field, New York City dwarfs any other city. That doesn't make the city a good place for any particular person, and there are obviously great people throughout the country/world, and it certainly doesn't imply that the place is filled with perfection, but if you're looking for a quantity of quality, is there any real competitition?

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