application timeline for a nontrad applicant

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Hello! Can someone please explain the dental application timeline to me? I just wrote an extremely long post...but the forum didn't post it and it's gone now. But to make a long story short...I have no dental shadowing experience, no LOR's ready, and no DAT. But I'd like to apply this summer to Class of 2011 if possible. I'd try to cram in a lot of shadowing and DAT studying this summer...and contact old college prof's (who I don't know well) and ask for LOR's or ask med school profs or something. My story is that I'm finishing my first year of med school...and realizing that medicine and me are not made for each other (doesn't have to do with the first year being preclinical...more of a better understanding of medicine and a self-realization thing). I'm in a rush to apply because I took a year off after college and am feeling a little older than I prefer to start a 4 year program...so I'd like to start earlier if possible. Yes...I realize that it might be unwise to apply without a good understanding of the field and I already made that mistake...but I just want to see my options. I have good stats: 3.8 GPA, 3.9 sci GPA, 38 MCAT (hahah too bad it doesn't count!). If anyone is curious, I will post later about my story (kind of funny) and why I naively think that dentistry is a better career for me. Thanks everyone!
 
i think you can apply, maybe even to transfer some dredit, but I think before you do anything else, you need to get some dental experience to show that your interest is founded. also, are you in good standing? good luck.
 
hey, thanks for the reply. yep...in good standing so far. but one class left...neuroanatomy...and it's tough. but if things stay the way they are, i might be a little above average in my class. oh yeah, specifically, when's the latest I could take the DAT? thanks everyone!
 
Highly doubt you could transfer credit. You do have very good stats and would be very competitive based on the GPA and MCAT...assuming the DAT will go just as well. I think all you need is some shadowing and you should be gold for the interview. The personal statement should be interesting...explain everything there.
 
If you are just now finishing your first year of med school and all of a sudden changed your mind, you are going to really need to reassure dental school admissions committees that you are truly devoted to dentistry. You already committed yourself to medicine and then you changed your mind. Then all of a sudden you decide to apply to dental schools without having shadowed at all. This is an issue that will probably have to be addressed and they will question you on this. You might want to take a year off and actually decide what you want to do. Don't waste another year in dental school only to discover dentistry isn't right for you either.
 
i agree with wat others have said. you should be able to clearly explain your sudden change of hearts.. and make sure you get some dental experience in there before you submit your app.
 
boater said:
Hello! Can someone please explain the dental application timeline to me? I just wrote an extremely long post...but the forum didn't post it and it's gone now. But to make a long story short...I have no dental shadowing experience, no LOR's ready, and no DAT. But I'd like to apply this summer to Class of 2011 if possible. I'd try to cram in a lot of shadowing and DAT studying this summer...and contact old college prof's (who I don't know well) and ask for LOR's or ask med school profs or something. My story is that I'm finishing my first year of med school...and realizing that medicine and me are not made for each other (doesn't have to do with the first year being preclinical...more of a better understanding of medicine and a self-realization thing). I'm in a rush to apply because I took a year off after college and am feeling a little older than I prefer to start a 4 year program...so I'd like to start earlier if possible. Yes...I realize that it might be unwise to apply without a good understanding of the field and I already made that mistake...but I just want to see my options. I have good stats: 3.8 GPA, 3.9 sci GPA, 38 MCAT (hahah too bad it doesn't count!). If anyone is curious, I will post later about my story (kind of funny) and why I naively think that dentistry is a better career for me. Thanks everyone!

Hey boater, I am so super curious as to the reasons for your change of heart. Thanks for your response!
 
Hey everyone...thanks for the input. But I guess I didn't ask precisely enough...can anyone explain to me the actual timeline for application with dates for when I need to submit the application, take the DAT, and send in letters of rec if I want to apply this summer? Also, what's a ballpark number of hours for shadowing?

As for my story...I went into college at first thinking about business, but I majored in biology because I enjoyed studying that. During my sophomore year of college, I began to feel that I would prefer to do something in the health field because of an experience I had after graduating from high school. I had gone on a mission trip to a poor area of Peru, and a teacher at the school we were renovating took me to his home to meet his dad, who was paralyzed from the waist down. I was just a kid, but the teacher begged me to help his dad because from what I could understood the teacher thought that his dad could be helped with advanced medical treatment. There wasn't much I could do...when I got back to the States I looked online for some sort of foundation that might help, but really, a foundation to help a specific person that I want to help doesn't exist. So anyways, I thought about going into medicine...and I have to admit that I was naive to aim for something without knowing it very well. But I was a sophomore in colllege, and my frame of reference as to what makes someone qualified to be successful was skewed. Being naive, I correlated real world success with good academics...ignoring important things like maturity, work ethic, wisdom, and social skills. So anyways, my next mistake was to volunteer at an ER where I didn't get much exposure to what real doctoring is like. The volunteer program wasn't geared for me to interact with doctors...more with the nurses and tech's. But I figured that I had a volunteer experience to put on my application, so it was fine.

Crap, I'm making this way too long. So basically, I didn't get a good picture of what medicine is like...for instance, I didn't talk to any residents. But I was naive, and I assumed that people do it...and since I had good grades I could do it too. And I thought, and still think, that being a doctor can be a truly rewarding and amazing experience. But I have to admit that although it wasn't my driving goal I didn't mind the prestige and compensation involved that comes with the profession. Anyways, moving on, I moved to NY from Southern California for med school last fall. I had some trouble adjusting to the change, and I didn't like my class that much...but I was excited to start and I enjoyed myself first semester. However, even from the beginning I started getting clues that I had made a mistake. A doctor who taught us about talking with patients claimed to have a very fulfilling life, and it definitely seemed like she did...but she'd also mention that she had 4 hrs of sleep the night before...adding "as usual" as a joke. Then there was an Emergency Medicine resident who taught us anatomy who told us to match into a lifestyle residency like Emergency Med, Dermatology, or Radiology because "once you remember what it's like to have a life in 4th year (the lightest year in med school), you'll never want to give it up again." However, I brushed these these comments aside. I knew that medicine was really demanding, but I felt up for the challenge.

During second semester, I went snowboarding during Presidents' Day weekend and suffered a concussion. I was ok for the most part, but for the next week I had extreme fatigue as a side effect. I didn't have the energy to do anything...and I rested in bed all week. The next week I had tests on Thursday and Friday. So Sun-Wed I studied like crazy...even though I had to drink caffeine just to stay awake literally. It was the most stressful and tiring week I had ever experienced. I thought I failed one of the tests, but even though I didn't fail I was shaken up mentally...I lost a lot of confidence in what I was doing. Part of it was due to the post-concussive syndrome that causes fatigue and depression, and part of it was because I began to question whether being a doctor is worth all the effort and sacrifice. I also began to notice that the doctors that I had exposure to who seemed happy all seemed to have an endless supply of energy...and when I thought about my class, I could see how a lot of us have drive and energy...but there are some people who are just exceptional in how much they can do. They study, run 5 clubs, perform in the talent show, are on student council, etc. I began to think that in a profession as demanding as medicine, someone might have to be THAT talented and developed to be happy.

Then I talked with a resident who had just finished his first year. He told me it was the absolute worst year of his life and that he hated every minute of work. He had gone into medicine for reasons along the same lines as mine: a doctor had treated him for free when he was five because his family was too poor to pay. He told me that he had always thought that he wouldn't become bitter about the workload...but he said that he was SO tired that he just couldn't muster any compassion for his patients. It got the point where he literally didn't care if they might die...he just wanted to go home and sleep. Everyday that he went to work he would decide that he was going to quit, that it was going to be his last day..and this was a guy who said that the 4 years of med school were enjoyable! I asked him how he got through it, and he replied that he had to force himself to stop thinking about wanting to feel rested or happy because he had to pay his loans back. His second year was a little better...but he said that he was still bitter.

So after the experience of feeling extreme fatigue after the concussion...and I've run a marathon and the concussion made me MUCH more tired, I realized that while there's a chance that I might find medicine to be an interesting, rewarding career...right now it doesn't seem likely for me. On the flip side, I know a surgery resident (they have the hardest hours and schedule) who is relatively happy with his life...so I know it's not impossible to be happy in medicine. I haven't given up on it completely yet, but I'm looking into dentistry because it's a similar field that has much more reasonable hours. Also, working with my hands is something that I've started to crave after sitting at a desk studying for long hours. Anyways, that's my story detailing the perils of having good intentions, good grades, and being naive. I said it's funny...but I guess it's not "haha" funny. If you've read this far you might have forgetten...but can someone please answer the questions in the first paragraph? Thanks!
 
I was in a similar situation ... here's the timeline you should follow:

Work on AADSAS and submit it early June. It takes AADSAS around 8-10 weeks to process an app, so your app will be sent to schools around early August.
Shadow a dentist from now till July, finishing with 50-100 hrs. Get a recommendation letter from that dentist as soon as you finish.
Have all your recs ready by early Aug. to be sent out to schools.
Study for DAT from NOW (similar to MCAT, except for PAT section ... think of all discrete Q's from MCAT with no physics). Take it in early Aug. This will be taken on a computer so the results will be available right away.

So if you send out DAT scores, transcripts, rec letters in early Aug, as well as your AADSAS, then you'll start receiving secondary apps and interview offers from late Aug to possibly Dec. The first day of acceptance is Dec. 1st for all schools.

Good luck.
 
Thanks! That's exactly the info I needed. I don't think I can start studying for the DAT right now though...I'm going to try to finish up this semester and by the time I get back home it'll be June 12th or so. Is that a bad idea? I probably wouldn't have to study for bio or verbal very much...just chem, ochem, and PAT. It's been 4 years since I took the MCAT though, so I'd be very rusty on those subjects.

Also, I was sitting in class right now, wanting to explain in this thread that another big shift in my thinking in med school was the place that my career would have in my life. My thinking in college was that if I was doing something for 40 or more hrs a week...it should be the main focus of my life. That was one reason I decided on medicine...because if I was going to be spending that much time doing something I wanted it to be something worthwhile. And my thinking was that healthcare is one of the most important things to people, and so I wanted to provide healthcare. However, I'm a little more realistic now that ANY career is mostly about doing work...and work is work. If that work is worthwhile than that's an added benefit of that field, but it's still work. It's still important for me that I feel the work is worthwhile, and I find that in the health field; and dentistry (though I haven't seen that much) seems to have the qualities I like about medicine without a lot of the drawbacks. You help people with health problems, you have the intellectual challenge of figuring out different cases, and you get to work with your hands (which is something I'm beginning to appreciate more and more as something that makes work more fun). And you have a lot more control of your work schedule, which would allow me to feel mentally healthy and be a better health care provider than as a doctor. And I know I'm knocking medicine a lot...and maybe it's cos my perspective became negative after my accident...but it seems like a trap for people with good intentions. Just talking with some of my classmates, I can already see how our optimism and vitality are being drained. Medicine is vitally important, and I'm thankful for the treatment that my family and I have received...but the structure of training and practice really pushes most people to the limits. Ok, sorry for rambling so much...I'm just really excited about fixing the mess I'm in. Thanks for your help!

LIer2010 can you elaborate on how you were in a similar situation and how things turned out? Also, how does that timeline compare to what most normal applicants do? Thanks!!
 
Hey there and welcome to SDN,

I don't think you'll have a problem at all explaining your situation and getting in. The only thing everyone here wants to make sure of is that you're SURE this time and that you won't find yourself in the same position next year after you complete DS 1. Your reasons for hesitating with med school are legitimate... you just need to convince the d-schools that dentistry is the antidote to your woes.

Otherwise, read around on here and you'll learn a lot. You can submit your AADSAS asap and then get your recommendations and DAT in to schools by august. Shadow a dentist when you can, do well on the DATs, satisfy the d-schools of your change of heart in the personal statement and interview and you'll be just fine. Good luck.

Mack
 
boater said:
LIer2010 can you elaborate on how you were in a similar situation and how things turned out? Also, how does that timeline compare to what most normal applicants do? Thanks!!

I was in grad school studying microbio and immuno and was applying to med school last summer. At the same time, I developed interest in dentistry and shadowed a dentist last summer as well. I decided to apply to both dental schools and med schools at the same time. Since applying to dental school was relatively a recent decision, I had to do everything real fast. I finished shadowing in late August, and submitted AADSAS on Aug. 1st. I studied for DAT for the whole month of August and took it on the last week of that month. Since I studied for and took MCAT, studying for DAT wasn't too hard. AADSAS screwed up my app and ended up sending it out on the last week of September. I got interviews and got into few dental and med schools. For the reasons that you've cited and a couple of my own, I decided to go into dentistry, although I've been premed for a long time.
 
Thanks for sharing LIer2010. I really appreciate all of the help...it's been priceless as I try to figure out what to do.
 
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