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Why are acceptance rates to medical school so low? Basically, all medical schools have acceptance rates from like 1-5%, so are applicants essentially chosen at random? And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
 
For the most part they're low because most class sizes are small, especially at MD schools with no more than 200 for the most part. Everybody wants to be a doctor because it's a (relatively) stable six figure income that is generally respected and seen as prestigious. Hence many schools get 10,000+ applicants for a small number of spots. There's obviously more to it but that's the general idea.
 
I think you are confusing matriculation rates (which may be 1-5%) with acceptance rates, which tend to be much higher. Ultimately about 40% of applicants get into a school, and many of those who do not have clear deficiencies in their applications. If you have solid numbers, reasonable extracurriculars, no red flags, and apply intelligently, you will probably get at least one offer.
 
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Why are acceptance rates to medical school so low? Basically, all medical schools have acceptance rates from like 1-5%, so are applicants essentially chosen at random? And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
Yes, you can plan realistically to apply for medical school now. The best thing you can do is get into a cheap, 4-year college so you accumulate as little debt as possible (apply for scholarships, grants, honors college, etc). Once you start college, create a plan to complete pre-requisites in a timely fashion and protect your GPA at all costs. Also get in touch with your premed advisor at college ASAP. But as a high school student, just set yourself up as best you can for college right now.
 
I think you are confusing matriculation rates (which may be 1-5%) with acceptance rates, which tend to be much higher. Ultimately about 40% of applicants get into a school, and many of those who do not have clear deficiencies in their applications. If you have solid numbers, reasonable extracurriculars, no red flags, and apply intelligently, you will probably get at least one offer.
OP is right--acceptance rates for individual schools are 1-5%. 40% is the average acceptance rate for people who apply to tons of schools. Just like how your chance of winning the lottery is basically 0%, but if you put in a ton of tickets then your chances go up.
 
40% is the average acceptance rate for people who apply to tons of schools.
40% is the average out of ALL applicants. Some apply early decision (1 school) or <10 schools, and still get accepted. Some apply to 40+ schools and get rejected from all.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
Now is the time for you to start planning. What you do and how well you do in the next 3 years will determine your chances of being in the 40% that get at least one acceptance. Good luck.
 
Why are acceptance rates to medical school so low? Basically, all medical schools have acceptance rates from like 1-5%, so are applicants essentially chosen at random? And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
As others are saying, it's crazy hard, but it's far from impossible.

As has been stated above, your true odds are really around 40% (20,000 out of 50,000 -- closer to 60,000 this year, but hopefully will drop back by the time you apply!). Because each of the 20,000 people apply to on average around 20-30 schools, each school has a very low acceptance rate (over a million applications in the aggregate), but, ultimately, everyone can only attend one school, so it all shakes out in the end and it's not nearly as bad as it appears when you look at individual schools.

Also, you have a long road ahead, and more than half of everyone at your stage of the game ends up not even applying! Good luck!!!
 
It is also worth remembering that some people shoot their shot with sub-optimal applications (i.e. minimal to no clinical experience, poorly planned school lists, etc) and essentially shoot themselves in the foot by doing so.

This can be avoided by using your resources wisely. SDN is wonderful for when you plan out your application. I wish I had discovered it when I was still in undergrad, to be honest.
 
OP is right--acceptance rates for individual schools are 1-5%.
When you consider the large majority of schools accept 2-3x their final number of matriculants, that percentage (on average) creeps up a bit. The point is that the 1-5% per school statistic is an overly pessimistic snapshot of how difficult it is to get into medical school.

40% is the average acceptance rate for people who apply to tons of schools. Just like how your chance of winning the lottery is basically 0%, but if you put in a ton of tickets then your chances go up.
I'm an admissions dean, so I am somewhat familiar with how the game is played, but thank you for the analogy.
 
When you consider the large majority of schools accept 2-3x their final number of matriculants, that percentage (on average) creeps up a bit. The point is that the 1-5% per school statistic is an overly pessimistic snapshot of how difficult it is to get into medical school.


I'm an admissions dean, so I am somewhat familiar with how the game is played, but thank you for the analogy.
Was just clarifying to op, it was not my intention to explain to someone more qualified than me
 
When you consider the large majority of schools accept 2-3x their final number of matriculants, that percentage (on average) creeps up a bit. The point is that the 1-5% per school statistic is an overly pessimistic snapshot of how difficult it is to get into medical school.
But is 1-5% not right? Schools get on an average about 5k applications for about 100 seats = 2% (assume 200 acceptances = 4%).
This year with more applicants and more applications, this percentage is likely to be lower, right?
 
Why are acceptance rates to medical school so low? Basically, all medical schools have acceptance rates from like 1-5%, so are applicants essentially chosen at random? And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
There best way to improve your probability of admission is to get an astronomically high undergraduate total GPA and science GPA. First, make sure you attend a college that has a 75th percentile SAT/ACT score that's lower than yours. You want to be the smartest kid in the room. Second, do not take any advance placement tests for college credit. You want your freshman year of college to be a substantive reprise of high school. Third, don't major in engineering, physics or chemistry. These majors are GPA killers. Fourth, avoid party animals when you get to college for obvious reasons.
 
Why are acceptance rates to medical school so low? Basically, all medical schools have acceptance rates from like 1-5%, so are applicants essentially chosen at random? And as a high school senior right now, is it realistic to make plans about going to medical school?
Focus on getting into college, and doing well there.

THEN worry about getting into med school.
 
There best way to improve your probability of admission is to get an astronomically high undergraduate total GPA and science GPA. First, make sure you attend a college that has a 75th percentile SAT/ACT score that's lower than yours. You want to be the smartest kid in the room. Second, do not take any advance placement tests for college credit. You want your freshman year of college to be a substantive reprise of high school. Third, don't major in engineering, physics or chemistry. These majors are GPA killers. Fourth, avoid party animals when you get to college for obvious reasons.
Is this good advice? You want someone to join a community college to be the smartest person in class and then compete with Ivies for med school?

Also - is the advice of just focus on GPA good?
 
OP is right--acceptance rates for individual schools are 1-5%. 40% is the average acceptance rate for people who apply to tons of schools. Just like how your chance of winning the lottery is basically 0%, but if you put in a ton of tickets then your chances go up.
Not quite- most programs do not advertise how many offers of admission they make but rather the number of matriculants they have. A school with 5000 applicants and 150 seats might appear to have a 3% acceptance rate but in actuality they might accept 450 students to seat a class of 150 which would be 9%. At my program each class has around 140 students and around 200-220 acceptances are granted each year. Regardless, the point is that competition is fierce. At some programs between 80-90% of applications must be rejected pre interview.
 
There best way to improve your probability of admission is to get an astronomically high undergraduate total GPA and science GPA. First, make sure you attend a college that has a 75th percentile SAT/ACT score that's lower than yours. You want to be the smartest kid in the room. Second, do not take any advance placement tests for college credit. You want your freshman year of college to be a substantive reprise of high school. Third, don't major in engineering, physics or chemistry. These majors are GPA killers. Fourth, avoid party animals when you get to college for obvious reasons.
I would take this advice with a huge grain of salt - no you do not have to be the smartest person in the room - actually it’s better to get used to the fact that you aren’t early on so you don’t have a breakdown in med school when you realize you aren’t. Sat/act scores supposedly predict academic performance in college but the data on how predictive scores are is quite mixed.

Attend a school where you have access to programs and resources and are able to perform well. Major in something that interests you instead of something that looks good or puffs up your GPA. We tend to perform better when we are engaged with the material. Build out a well rounded application. Grades and test scores open the door but are usually insufficient to walking through as med schools have more than enough academic all stars to fill their classes. Spend time figuring out what your values are and what your goals are for your career and life’s work. Spend time working with people who are different than yourself. Spend time serving those less fortunate than yourself because you will become a more capable clinician because of it.
 
I would take this advice with a huge grain of salt - no you do not have to be the smartest person in the room - actually it’s better to get used to the fact that you aren’t early on so you don’t have a breakdown in med school when you realize you aren’t. Sat/act scores supposedly predict academic performance in college but the data on how predictive scores are is quite mixed.

Attend a school where you have access to programs and resources and are able to perform well. Major in something that interests you instead of something that looks good or puffs up your GPA. We tend to perform better when we are engaged with the material. Build out a well rounded application. Grades and test scores open the door but are usually insufficient to walking through as med schools have more than enough academic all stars to fill their classes. Spend time figuring out what your values are and what your goals are for your career and life’s work. Spend time working with people who are different than yourself. Spend time serving those less fortunate than yourself because you will become a more capable clinician because of it.
Some medical schools, like GW for example, get 11,000 applications per year. They don't have the staff or inclination to parse through transcripts to see who took calculus based physics and who didn't. They have no way of comparing a transcript from Carleton with a transcript from Mankato other than taking them at face value. Furthermore, there is no study which shows, after controlling for SAT/ACT scores of undergraduate freshmen, that more rigorous schools produce higher MCAT scores.

I'm sorry but if you don't have the numbers you aren't going to get into a US MD school. It's that simple. Even applicants with screaming MCAT scores experience a precipitous decline in the probability of acceptance with lower GPAs. Stare at the data:

The fact is weaker competition gives a serious applicant more time to add the intangible fluff to his/her application. Hand out cookies at the local ER? Check. Wash out test tubes and get coffee for some Prima Donna researcher? All over it.
 
Some medical schools, like GW for example, get 11,000 applications per year. They don't have the staff or inclination to parse through transcripts to see who took calculus based physics and who didn't. They have no way of comparing a transcript from Carleton with a transcript from Mankato other than taking them at face value. Furthermore, there is no study which shows, after controlling for SAT/ACT scores of undergraduate freshmen, that more rigorous schools produce higher MCAT scores.

I'm sorry but if you don't have the numbers you aren't going to get into a US MD school. It's that simple. Even applicants with screaming MCAT scores experience a precipitous decline in the probability of acceptance with lower GPAs. Stare at the data:

The fact is weaker competition gives a serious applicant more time to add the intangible fluff to his/her application. Hand out cookies at the local ER? Check. Wash out test tubes and get coffee for some Prima Donna researcher? All over it.
Your response seems to imply I made arguments that I did not make - I would encourage you to look through it again. I agree committees are not going to parse transcripts which is why I wrote what I did above - don’t take classes because one thinks they look good. I am also not arguing that adcoms should compare GPAs of different schools. I also did not argue that someone should attend a school because they think it looks better. I agree that one needs to have good grades but being “the smartest one in the room” is a bit over the top. There are plenty of graduates with Latin honors in my class and even more who don’t have them. Again, grades and test scores open the door but they won’t get you to an acceptance.
 
Is this good advice? You want someone to join a community college to be the smartest person in class and then compete with Ivies for med school?

Also - is the advice of just focus on GPA good?
I would not advise someone who aspires to become a physician to go to a community college if he or she can go to a four year college. Some medical schools disfavor prerequisite classes taken at community colleges. However, I would also not advise a medical school aspirant to major in chemical engineering at Carnegie Mellon especially if that kid had an ACT/SAT score lower than the average score among Carnegie Mellon freshmen. There is simply nothing to be gained by bashing your head against a brick wall.
 
Just based on you being in HS, you may be conflating the difficulty of getting into an undergraduate school with a 3% acceptance rate (say, Harvard) to getting into a medical school with a 3% matriculation rate. They’re not even close to the same thing. Medical school is much easier to get into comparatively. There are only maybe 20 UG schools with numbers like that (don’t @ me, this is ballpark), meaning there are an extremely, extremely limited number of spots at those <5% acceptance rate undergraduate schools and a massive number of students across the county, interested in all fields, apply. There’s something like 200-250 medical schools and a much smaller pool of applicants. On top of that, it’s normal to apply to 20-30 medical schools as opposed to 8-15 UG schools.

All this goes to say, get a feel for how you’re doing in STEM classes in UG. if you’re in the top 1/3 of your classes, I say you have a decent shot at medical school and especially DO school. (Remember, plenty of your competition in those classes will be after PhDs or content to do bench research after school.) Don’t be discouraged by the numbers! Bottom line is, 40% of people who apply to medical schools in a given year get 1 or more acceptances - that’s more like the difficultly of getting into a good state school to put it in HS-UG context. So 60% don’t get in anywhere. But it’s not uncommon to apply twice or even three times. If you’re an A/B student in college and get a 50th percentile score on the MCAT, you can get in somewhere.
 
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