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Just wondering what an approximate/average salary would be for an anesthesiologist fresh out of residency (no fellowship) and working in private practice in the northeast? Like anything I'm sure figures vary, just wondering for a general idea.

Also, approximately how much per year would malpractice insurance be?
 
Just wondering what an approximate/average salary would be for an anesthesiologist fresh out of residency (no fellowship) and working in private practice in the northeast? Like anything I'm sure figures vary, just wondering for a general idea.

Also, approximately how much per year would malpractice insurance be?


Please go to this thread found in the Midlevel Forum and read the posts. You will find your answer.
CRNA vs. AA vs. MD/DO Lifestyles
 
Just wondering what an approximate/average salary would be for an anesthesiologist fresh out of residency (no fellowship) and working in private practice in the northeast? Like anything I'm sure figures vary, just wondering for a general idea.

Anesthesiologist Employment DOL OES Salary summary

Offices of physicians
$86.89/hr $180,730/year

General medical and surgical hospitals
$68.13/hr $141,700/year

Outpatient care centers
$84.77/hr $176,310/year

Colleges and universities
$47.48/hr $98,760/year

Offices of other health practitioners
71.14/hr $147,970/year
 
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Osteo -

Try gaswork.com; when you go there, choose "Anesthesiologist". You can then search by state to look at ads for employers that are looking for anesthesiologists.

dc
 
Somewhere north of $100,000,000,000/yr! 😱
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(Payable in Zimbabwean Dollars)

I read they recently printed a 50 billion dollar note.......

Mugabe needs to be put in jail.
 

For the same reason we moved CRNA debates out of the PUBLIC forum this topic is inappropriate here. I provided a reference to physician income for different specialties.

You shouldn't start your career pre-med based on income alone. It is a poor motivator for going to work day in and day out. You can do well in many specialties.

If money is your only concern you chose the WRONG specialty.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=593095
 
I read they recently printed a 50 billion dollar note.......

Mugabe needs to be put in jail.

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For the same reason we moved CRNA debates out of the PUBLIC forum this topic is inappropriate here. I provided a reference to physician income for different specialties.

You shouldn't start your career pre-med based on income alone. It is a poor motivator for going to work day in and day out. You can do well in many specialties.

If money is your only concern you chose the WRONG specialty.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=593095

We moved the CRNA debates because they routinely enticed trolling, flame wars and brought out the worst in good members.

I can't remember the last time average income was discussed here. Jet has discussed income of other specialties, such as FP. If you're willing to scare away med students with talk of CRNAs taking over the world, you should at least allow a few to make an informed decision based on a realistic goal- income.

Until this thread turns south, I see no reason to close it.
 
We moved the CRNA debates because they routinely enticed trolling, flame wars and brought out the worst in good members.

I can't remember the last time average income was discussed here. Jet has discussed income of other specialties, such as FP. If you're willing to scare away med students with talk of CRNAs taking over the world, you should at least allow a few to make an informed decision based on a realistic goal- income.

Until this thread turns south, I see no reason to close it.

You won't get that information on this thread or the internet. The real numbers aren't published or easily found. The reason is we prefer to keep that information private. Any numbers you read aren't reflective of very successful private practices.

The private forum is the best place for that discussion. By the way, the odds are still likey the CRNAs do eventually "take-over" the stool sitting job.

Blade
 
http://www.cejkasearch.com/compensation/amga_physician_compensation_survey.htm

Came across this somewhere here on SDN. Pretty good breakdown with location and other residencies as well. Remember these are averages... so I am guessing some make much more, some make much less depending on contract on how hard you want to work.

Not bad. I know how much my physicians earn and those numbers are off 20%-100% depending on the specialty. My area is "below average" for my region.

Thus, this topic is of little value unless one is considering Primary care (Peds, Internal Medicine, Family practice).

These numbers are CORRECT but use the average to high number for most private practice income. Remember, you have to work VERY HARD to get that high number.

http://www.merritthawkins.com/pdf/mha-2008-incentive-survey.pdf

Please notice the average CRNA salary. This includes some overtime and is a W-2 figure.
Anesthesiology is not in the top 5 but still above average.
 
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Okay,

Now we have provided the OP with the data he requested. How about this small fact:

Some Nurses Land Higher Salaries Than Primary Care Doctors

Posted by Jacob Goldstein
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Sure, going to med school's a good way to make a decent living. But if you really want to do well, become a nurse anesthetist.
In the past year, nurse anesthetists recruited through the staffing firm Merritt Hawkins & Associates landed salaries that averaged $185,000.
 
That previous post was FYI only. It was posted to INFORM and not to start any debate on this forum. It was not meant to disparage CRNAs in any manner. After all, MD Anesthesiology salary was still almost twice that amount.

But, please notice that there is NO OTHER Nursing profession earning anywhere near that level of income. A family practice NP would earn about 50-60%of what a CRNA earns. An ICU Nurse with a BSN, CCRN and 15 years experience would earn about 40% of CRNA level income.

Blade
 
My advice is get into Medical School and then worry about what KIND of doctor you want to be. JPP's advice was sound when he recommended becoming a specialist. But, there are many choices and some earn much more than Anesthesiology.

In the private forum we can go into details if you prefer to do so. I would be happy to provide real world numbers on different specialties.

However, even decades after medical school I wouldn't pick my career solely based on income. You will need to do this job for at least 20-30 years averaging 45-65 hours per week. I sure hope you can stand doing it.
 
Okay,

Now we have provided the OP with the data he requested. How about this small fact:

Some Nurses Land Higher Salaries Than Primary Care Doctors

Posted by Jacob Goldstein
money_art_200_20080416120808.jpg
Sure, going to med school’s a good way to make a decent living. But if you really want to do well, become a nurse anesthetist.
In the past year, nurse anesthetists recruited through the staffing firm Merritt Hawkins & Associates landed salaries that averaged $185,000.

This is just the beginning. In ten years time, there will be many other professions which will be leaving primary care salaries in the dust.
 
http://medicinesux.wordpress.com/

For some it's about winning the game. For others it's about the game itself. Did you enjoy college? Did you find Medical School rewarding at a personal level? At age 50 will you have any pride in your career or accomplishments?

As a second tier lawyer I doubt the answers would be yes.

Blade
 
I just went through a job search last year and have a pretty good idea of the market. First year out of residency you can expect $200-300,000/year in a geographically desirable area with 2-5 years to become partner. Once you are partner maybe $275-450,000. If you are willing to live in a less desirable area you can expect $300-400,000/year to start. Generally there is less time to become partner in these less desirable places, and the partner salary won't be that much higher than the starting salary ($350-500,000). Gaswork is a good place to check things out if you have a specific area in mind.
 
this thread is akin to asking your colleague how much they made last year. There are other more subtle ways of finding this info. Please use them.
 
Just spoke with one of the faculty at my institution and he said a little while ago when he was checking out the job market the University of Cincinnati was offering a starting salary of $300K. So this also seems to be in the ballpark with the figures mentioned above.

I think my institution (Midwest & academic) was starting people at $250K about 2 years ago, not sure if it's changed recently...
 
this thread is akin to asking your colleague how much they made last year. There are other more subtle ways of finding this info. Please use them.


Not exactly. That's a face-to-face situation with someone presumably doing the same thing you do. He didn't personally ask for someone's own salary.

This is a (mostly) anonymous forum, and he is asking about the general market. Sure, there are other ways to find out. Maybe he didn't know about Gasworks.

I guess I never received the memo that legitimate requests for ambiguous baseline salary info are now taboo on this board.
 
Goto http://www.gaswork.com/

Click your state, and see the salaries for various anesthesia positions including fellowships. Its not that difficult.

Its upsetting to see top earning CRNA making 220k and bottom earning anesthesiologists make 240k.
 
Sure, you can get a good idea of starting salaries from gaswork.com, but keep in mind that you are pre-med and you will not be entering the field for at least 8-10 years. Salaries in anesthesiology will continue to decline as they have over the past 4 years while I have been a resident. Here are just a few reasons why: The economy has gone to ****! The cash cow of anesthesiology are short elective cases at ambulatory surgery centers. Layoffs, corporate bankruptcies, lost or reduced employment benefits, fear of taking time off work for an elective surgery have all resulted in a dramatic reduction in case loads, which will only get much worse.👎 Furthermore, the payer mixes are deteriorating as people move from private insurance to government insurance or no insurance (both of which pay significantly less or nothing at all):scared:. To counter this loss in cash flow, current anesthesia groups are reducing the number of new hires, reducing starting salaries, prolonging partnership if offered at all anymore, not hiring at all for fear of significant case load reductions and overstaffing, and less retiring physicians due to the loss of their home equity and lost nest eggs in the recent stock market crash. Not to mention that midlevel anesthesia providers are gaining more privileges to practice solo anesthesiology by the day and could easily replace entire MD/DO groups if hospitals deem it more economical. Perhaps, if you are 8-10 years out, the field will come full circle (if history repeats itself):idea:. But, I'm afraid that if your an MS III-IV or PGY I, your anesthesia ship has sailed and you will be entering rough waters in a rickety old dingy. 😱

As a side note: The increase in applicants IMO is only due to a perceived awesome lifestyle, killer current salaries, and false notion that anesthesia is a cush residency. As salaries deteriorate, so will the lifestyle (much more work hours/weekends/hollidays will be required for same or less pay).
 
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panetrain: I know what you're saying and you certainly have more experience than I to make that prediction. My question is, "What can we do about it?" It seems like most areas of medicine will be negatively affected by the same factors you listed that will affect anesthesia. There is mid-level encroachment almost all-round, and most specialties complain about having to do more work for similar (or less) compensation. Compared with other areas of medicine (IM, EM, FP, peds, even cards/GI/GS/ortho), isn't anesthesia still a pretty nice place to be? Compared with the instability in the corporate world and the effects of reduced economic consumption on the production sector, isn't medicine in a pretty good position?
 
panetrain: I know what you're saying and you certainly have more experience than I to make that prediction. My question is, "What can we do about it?" It seems like most areas of medicine will be negatively affected by the same factors you listed that will affect anesthesia. There is mid-level encroachment almost all-round, and most specialties complain about having to do more work for similar (or less) compensation. Compared with other areas of medicine (IM, EM, FP, peds, even cards/GI/GS/ortho), isn't anesthesia still a pretty nice place to be? Compared with the instability in the corporate world and the effects of reduced economic consumption on the production sector, isn't medicine in a pretty good position?

I did not mean to hijack this thread, but I think these issues are quite pertinent to the initial stem question.
What can we do? Become involved in local and national anesthesiology political action committees. Become involved in the ASA, ASIPP and other such politically active anesthesia and subspecialty national medical societies. Lookout for your own interests by making yourself more marketable in the workforce by doing a specialty fellowship in peds/ICU/CV/regional/pain. These are fellowship specialties that are relatively immune to midlevel encroachment.
 
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