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Is it responsible to have cats during med. school?


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Hey everyone,

I currently have two kittens and I have simply looking for opinions on whether or not people consider it reasonable to have cats during medical school. I am considering more than just the cost. If anyone has cats could you let me know how it's going? Thanks so much!

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I think you might get better responses to your question from people who are in medical school already, so I'm going to move this to the allo forum.
 
I would also like some advice on this, as I hope to get a kitty or 2 when I get to med school, too.
 
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jenniw said:
Hey everyone,

I currently have two kittens and I have simply looking for opinions on whether or not people consider it reasonable to have cats during medical school. I am considering more than just the cost. If anyone has cats could you let me know how it's going? Thanks so much!

I think they're feasible in med school--especially during the first 2 years, but it's residency I'm worried about. I would recommend 2 (sounds like that's what you have) so they can keep each other company during the long hours that you won't be home.
 
I have a cat, and she doesn't seem to mind me going to med school at all. Searching for an apartment was obviously harder, but I go to school in a pretty pet-friendly city. Some landlords also wanted only declawed cats, which mine isn't and won't ever be.
I've not had any issues, but my cat is pretty independent and honestly I don't think she gives a rat's behind whether I'm around or not (so long as the food bowl is full).
 
As long as you can afford their food and litter, and spend a little bit of time with them (remember, cat-time is nothing like dog-time!!).
🙂

PS: I'm taking my two cats with me, and we're getting a dog once we settle in to the new house. But I also have a husband to pick up the slack on my busy days... not that he has ever cleaned a litter box in his life. :laugh:
 
I'm almost done with my first year now, and so far I haven't run into anything that would have made having a cat a problem. Med school is a lot of work, but it's definitely not all-consuming and you do still have time for fun stuff like pets if you want to make the time. 🙂 Good luck.
 
Feasible. Just don't do what a student here did during M3 year. She told her team (during surgery) that she had to leave to go home to feed her cat.
 
I got a 6 month old kitten during my first year of medical school. It was not a problem when it came to being a student/resident. The only issue is an issue for anyone who gets a pet: housing. I have a barn cat who needs to get outside and pretend she is a ferocious tiger, so I paid extra to rent a house in the country during residency. Try to keep your cat a house cat, it's easier.
My kitty is 9 now. 😀 She is an honorary MD.

ETA: When I lived in the city with her early on I rented the ground floor of a house that had a fenced back yard. I never let my cat outside unless I was going out with her to watch her and she never goes out at night or when I am away. The above poster is correct about the shorter life expectancy of purely outdoor cats. It is a sacrifice to study at home more and curtail travels/social events to spend time with the cat. It's worth it though if you like having someone to come home to. But I am biased: my cat saved my life when a bear came in our house. 😀
 
I think its really irresponsible and cruel to get a cat in med school UNLESS you live with cool and stable roomates, or your parents, or a spouse, or have a large family around.

1) most students have tiny apartments or studios, I honestly feel that you can't let an animal stay in a small place. They need to go outdoors too!!!! you can't keep it in a prison. There are some exeptions to this though: IE: the cat is very old and sick and dosn't care to sleep all day.

2) you're NOT going to be around!!! cats get lonely too!!!!

BOTTOM LINE: cats need someone around and should not have to stay in some tiny apartment, they should be allowed outdoors too...... anything else is cruel...... thats my opinion....

and for those that can't afford a bigger house/or an area that cats can go outdoors...... well DON'T GET A CAT THEN!!!!
 
It's completely feasible to get a cat, or bring them to med school. I got by graduate school, med school, and two years of residency with my two Siamese.


Just make sure that there are plenty of toys around for them, and study a lot at home if you can.

The average lifespan of an outdoor cat is about 4 years. The average of an indoor is somewhere around 14, I think. So, it's not necessarily better to allow a cat outside full-time.
 
All cats do is eat, crap, and scratch furniture. So yes, I think it's feasible to have one or two throughout med school 🙂
 
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Anasazi23 said:
It's completely feasible to get a cat, or bring them to med school. I got by graduate school, med school, and two years of residency with my two Siamese.


Just make sure that there are plenty of toys around for them, and study a lot at home if you can.

The average lifespan of an outdoor cat is about 4 years. The average of an indoor is somewhere around 14, I think. So, it's not necessarily better to allow a cat outside full-time.

Ditto. I refuse to believe that I'm engaging in any cruelty by not allowing my cats to go outside. They don't get hit by cars, they're not at risk for FIV or leukemia, they don't get in fights, etc. I've done lots of research on the cat issue, and the general consensus by pretty much all groups regarding treatment of cats is that cats belong inside, not out.
 
exlawgrrl said:
Ditto. I refuse to believe that I'm engaging in any cruelty by not allowing my cats to go outside. They don't get hit by cars, they're not at risk for FIV or leukemia, they don't get in fights, etc. I've done lots of research on the cat issue, and the general consensus by pretty much all groups regarding treatment of cats is that cats belong inside, not out.

Really? then why are cats born with claws and sharp teeth? they are meant to survive in the wild. Most cats that I know are well over the 10 year mark and they are outdoors! as for FIV or leukemia you can get VACCINATIONS to prevent all that!!! Its analogous to having kids and sheltering them too much... yeah sure your kid won't get hit by a car if he stays indoors 24/7 BUT he'll be MISERABLE!
 
ocean11 said:
I think its really irresponsible and cruel to get a cat in med school UNLESS you live with cool and stable roomates, or your parents, or a spouse, or have a large family around.

1) most students have tiny apartments or studios, I honestly feel that you can't let an animal stay in a small place. They need to go outdoors too!!!! you can't keep it in a prison. There are some exeptions to this though: IE: the cat is very old and sick and dosn't care to sleep all day.

2) you're NOT going to be around!!! cats get lonely too!!!!

BOTTOM LINE: cats need someone around and should not have to stay in some tiny apartment, they should be allowed outdoors too...... anything else is cruel...... thats my opinion....

and for those that can't afford a bigger house/or an area that cats can go outdoors...... well DON'T GET A CAT THEN!!!!

Your opinion is misguided. Responsible pet owners DO NOT let their cats outside. Cats who have been raised indoors don't miss it one bit. They can be very happy and stimulated indoors.

From the ASPCA:

Please keep your cat indoors. Cats who are allowed outdoors can contract diseases, get ticks or parasites, become lost or get hit by a car, or get into fights with other free-roaming cats and dogs. Also, cats may prey on native wildlife.
 
ocean11 said:
I think its really irresponsible and cruel to get a cat in med school UNLESS you live with cool and stable roomates, or your parents, or a spouse, or have a large family around.

1) most students have tiny apartments or studios, I honestly feel that you can't let an animal stay in a small place. They need to go outdoors too!!!! you can't keep it in a prison. There are some exeptions to this though: IE: the cat is very old and sick and dosn't care to sleep all day.

2) you're NOT going to be around!!! cats get lonely too!!!!

BOTTOM LINE: cats need someone around and should not have to stay in some tiny apartment, they should be allowed outdoors too...... anything else is cruel...... thats my opinion....

and for those that can't afford a bigger house/or an area that cats can go outdoors...... well DON'T GET A CAT THEN!!!!

I live in FL and would never consider letting a cat go outside and then back in again. My cat has lived with me for 8 years and is perfectly content. It is not a problem at all. For the third year, I think I may get him a buddy to keep him company when I am not around.
 
Willow said:
Your opinion is misguided. Responsible pet owners DO NOT let their cats outside. Cats who have been raised indoors don't miss it one bit. They can be very happy and stimulated indoors.

From the ASPCA:

And here's what the Humane Society says

"Keep your cat indoors. Keeping your cat safely confined at all times is best for you, your pet, and your community."

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/cat_care/caring_for_your_cat_the_top_ten_essentials.html

and here's another humane society link all about indoor cats.

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/cat_care/keeping_your_cat_happy_indoors.html
 
I am finishing up my third year of medical school and have lived with my cat the entire time and it hasn't been a real problem. She is happy as long as her food bowl is full (with treats on top of the food of course), her scratching post is available, and she has toys. She purrs all of the time and seems to be very happy.

The worst problem that we had was when she got used to my getting up at 3:00 am for OB and Surgery, which I had back-to-back. I was up and about very early on many days of my Psych rotation. However, I wouldn't trade my cat for anything!
 
I really want a pet for when I move away, but I am concerned about the finances of it and finding housing. Can you buy hypo-allergenic cats yet?
 
Really? then why are cats born with claws and sharp teeth?
Well, my cat has caught every dumb mouse that ever found its way into our basement and also attacked a bear in our house. Thanks kid, have some tuna!

I heard that the fleas in the grass in FL are so bad that you really shouldn't let cats outside there.
There are hairless cats and short haired cats that are less likely to cause allergy issues. Also, I clipped cat food coupons and had my family clip them too (Meow Mix, no wet food). I found that most places are just very anti-dog; most don't mind cats as much, especially if you only have one.

ETA: I also have a gerbil, so that's a cheap option.
 
I'm not in med school (yet? knock on wood) but I used to work long hours and attend classes part-time, with the result that I was gone for many hours.

It was never a problem for my cats, whom I adopted as a pair of kittens, until one of them died. Now the other gets extremely lonely even with shorter work hours.

If you're going to adopt a kitten, adopt a pair of kittens so they can play with each other and keep each other company. Note that this strategy does not work very well with adult cats.
 
As a lifelong cat lover, there are a few misconceptions being repeated on here that I wanted to address.

1. A cat is not a person. They do not get "bored" or "lonely" or "need a playmate" In fact, often a cat will be MUCH MUCH happier alone than if you try to introduce a new "friend." Even if raised together as kittens, a cat may grow up to really hate the other cat, and prefer to be alone.

2. Keeping a cat indoors all the time is NOT cruel, and it is in fact the responsible thing to do. A cat that has been kept indoors for her entire life will actually be scared if she gets outside, and prefers the safety of the home.

3. Kittens require a lot of attention and "face time" with the new owner, but an grown cat (older) would be very content with just a little bit of time every day.

4. A cat is much better for a medical student than a dog.
 
Hey guys,

First let me just say that I respect all the opposing opinions here but I just can't agree. Cats are MEANT to be outdoors, although getting hit by a car is an unfortunate event, so is being in a confined small space for the rest of your life. Cats can be trained to be careful when outdoors, or you can live in a suburban or rural area where there are less cars. I just know how happy my 3 cats are being outdoors and they would be miserable stuck here all day. One of them is an active hunter and has many 'friends' in the neighbourhood (humans, and dogs!!).

I think the LEAST of all your problems is worrying about tics or fleas.... they are VERY easy to control or get rid off! and as for diseases, you can always get your pet vaccinated. Look.... I've had cats all my life and knock on wood little problems with them!

My bf actually brought his cat from the middle east (he is now mine) to make sure he has a nice home and can be outdoors in decent weather (not boiling heat!) and he is SO happy now.......
 
exlawgrrl said:
And here's what the Humane Society says

"Keep your cat indoors. Keeping your cat safely confined at all times is best for you, your pet, and your community."

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/cat_care/caring_for_your_cat_the_top_ten_essentials.html

and here's another humane society link all about indoor cats.

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/cat_care/keeping_your_cat_happy_indoors.html

I disagree with all they say! this is analogous to the saying in some countries that 'women should not be allowed to walk the streets alone because they might get raped' and 'should cover up...' no! taking chances is part of life..... you can't live in a bubble and neither can your pets!
 
ocean11 said:
I disagree with all they say! this is analogous to the saying in some countries that 'women should not be allowed to walk the streets alone because they might get raped' and 'should cover up...' no! taking chances is part of life..... you can't live in a bubble and neither can your pets!
The problem with this line of thinking is the assumption that cats THINK like we do. If you locked a human in a house, they would try to get out. If you raise a kitten indoors and never let it out, it will sit contently in the house, and won't even look outside. There is no reason to let a cat outdoors, they are quite happy staying indoors 100% of the time if you raise them that way. Letting a cat outdoors has many dangers, and no benefits.
 
Flopotomist said:
The problem with this line of thinking is the assumption that cats THINK like we do. If you locked a human in a house, they would try to get out. If you raise a kitten indoors and never let it out, it will sit contently in the house, and won't even look outside. There is no reason to let a cat outdoors, they are quite happy staying indoors 100% of the time if you raise them that way. Letting a cat outdoors has many dangers, and no benefits.

Your logic almost works, but not quite. If you raised a human baby indoors and never let it out, it will also sit contently in the house and not look outside if it is never given any reason to want to go outside. Its about training. Any child raised inside and never let out would be terrified of going outside, just like any indoor cat would be, and would opt to stay close to home.

I have 3 cats, all in/outdoor creatures. We have a schedule, due to coyotes in the neighborhood. Access in and out of the house is opened in the morning and closed at night. Because the cats were not allowed outside until they were completely done with two rounds of vaccinations as kittens, they all stay close to home and do not stray into the streets. There are strays in the neighboring yard to mine, two dogs on the same property as mine, and coyotes in the hills surrounding. And yet, my girls come home every night safe and sound. They don't even have flea problems, which is unusual in Los Angeles.

The benefits they gain are huge! They will never become obese, or lazy, and they remain closer to their playful kitten selves having the great wide world to explore. All of them come from rescued stray situations, and so have wild genes very close to their phenotypes...they might have turned out pretty neurotic had they been locked inside their whole lives.
 
jenniw said:
Hey everyone,

I currently have two kittens and I have simply looking for opinions on whether or not people consider it reasonable to have cats during medical school. I am considering more than just the cost. If anyone has cats could you let me know how it's going? Thanks so much!



one of friends had a cat. And I think it's do-able. It also really depends on what kind of person you are. If you are one of those gunner types....who has to be in the library every waking moment. Then I would not bring a cat. But if you are a well balanced person who can afford to take breaks everyonce in a while to go home and check up on your cat...then it is cool.
 
ocean11 said:
Hey guys,

First let me just say that I respect all the opposing opinions here but I just can't agree. Cats are MEANT to be outdoors, although getting hit by a car is an unfortunate event, so is being in a confined small space for the rest of your life. Cats can be trained to be careful when outdoors, or you can live in a suburban or rural area where there are less cars. I just know how happy my 3 cats are being outdoors and they would be miserable stuck here all day.

I live in NW Washington, DC (known for small but quaint apartments/rowhouses!) and live in a 3 BR 2 story house for a reasonable price. It has many windows and a wide staircase which my kitty takes great advantage of. He is not overweight and has many many toys he regularly plays with. I also got him a large cat jungle gym that keeps him stimulated and active. My point is, he is not confined to a small space!! Last year I lived in a smaller apartment and even then, my kitty would run back and forth down the hallway till he broke out into a light sweat! (He is hairless)
He would NOT be happy outdoors without me. Yes I realize hairless cats might be an exception, but when outdoors he gets freckles, has the possibility of sunburn, and has even had mosquito bites, even when he is with me to fend them off!!
 
ocean11 said:
I disagree with all they say! this is analogous to the saying in some countries that 'women should not be allowed to walk the streets alone because they might get raped' and 'should cover up...' no! taking chances is part of life..... you can't live in a bubble and neither can your pets!

Sorry Ocean, but you got pwned by the ASPCA and the Humane Society on this issue - two of the strongest proponents of animal welfare. If there were a reason to let cats out, they would have thought it up.

To be fair, I don't think there's anything wrong with letting a cat outside, but you need to secure it so it stays safely out of harm's way. Most people would be horrified if someone let their dog out in an un-fenced yard to roam freely about the neighborhood and possibly get hit by a car. I think cats should be held to the same standard. Since a fence probably won't keep a cat in your yard, I guess that means using a leash.

Feral cats are a huge threat to wild songbird populations, so if anyone is letting their cats out, PLEASE make sure they are spayed or neutered. You never know what kind of seedy relationship your cat is getting into with the stray down the street!

My parents owned a cat a long time ago that wouldn't go outside even if you wanted it to. You could try to push it out the door, but it wasn't interested in having any part of the outdoors.
 
Igni Fera said:
Your logic almost works, but not quite. If you raised a human baby indoors and never let it out, it will also sit contently in the house and not look outside if it is never given any reason to want to go outside. Its about training. Any child raised inside and never let out would be terrified of going outside, just like any indoor cat would be, and would opt to stay close to home.
The benefits they gain are huge! They will never become obese, or lazy, and they remain closer to their playful kitten selves having the great wide world to explore. All of them come from rescued stray situations, and so have wild genes very close to their phenotypes...they might have turned out pretty neurotic had they been locked inside their whole lives.

Again, my cat is not "terrified" of going outside, he just doesn't miss it much since it's not something he does all the time, especially by himself.
More importantly, at 2.5 years old he is still a kitten at heart, and supposedly will always be. He was fixed when he was three months old, therefore he does not know what an adult male cat feels and acts like a kitten. He's energetic and inquisitive, likes to run around the house, is not lazy and is not obese or anywhere near it. Point being, an indoor cat can be very happy and feel very enriched given the right toys and activities!!
 
No offense, and maybe it's because I am an older student, (second year med-student btw) but...

Is this a real question? I am not kidding? You may as well ask whether or not you can have friends, or parents, or penpals in med-school.

I am serious. Medical school is like every other aspect of your life. It will be exactly what you make of it. Period. If you want a cat, get one and do what you think is best to take care of it. Are you going to have friends in medical school? Are you going to talk to your parents? Are you going to have lunch every day? Are you going to get regular exercise and watch an occasional movie? Please. Having a cat will not take ANYTHING away from your studies - and if it does - you are WAY over thinking this pet-owerniship thing. So get the cat and then devote your worries to better things like, whether or not your decision making process is too involved to go into medicine.

Honestly, and I hate to say I'm not trying to insult you, because that is a rather condescending thing I just said, but if you really, really think having a cat (or two) is going to hamper your ability to get decent grades and have a residency... then medicine might not be the place for you.

Can you see my point? How can you make what amount to life and death decisions about OTHER people's lives if you worry this much about how a cat affects YOU and how your time comittments might affect a.... cat.

I have kids. I live over 20 miles from my school. I have a cat and a dog. And a wife (not in that order) My GPA is just over 80. (3.0).

You do what you make up your mind to do... that's all.

</rant>

Good luck with the cats!
 
ocean11 said:
I think its really irresponsible and cruel to get a cat in med school UNLESS you live with cool and stable roomates, or your parents, or a spouse, or have a large family around.

1) most students have tiny apartments or studios, I honestly feel that you can't let an animal stay in a small place. They need to go outdoors too!!!! you can't keep it in a prison. There are some exeptions to this though: IE: the cat is very old and sick and dosn't care to sleep all day.

2) you're NOT going to be around!!! cats get lonely too!!!!

BOTTOM LINE: cats need someone around and should not have to stay in some tiny apartment, they should be allowed outdoors too...... anything else is cruel...... thats my opinion....

and for those that can't afford a bigger house/or an area that cats can go outdoors...... well DON'T GET A CAT THEN!!!!

An easy solution to the above problems is to get an OLDER cat who needs adopting, and has been either raised to be an indoor cat or is declawed. I personally disapprove of declawing, I think it's cruel, but when I was looking for a cat two years ago I searched around for a cat that:
1) didn't get along with other cats, and needed to be an only cat;
2) needed to be an indoor cat.
The cat I adopted was first owned by a dumb college student who declawed the poor kitten and then had to abandon her when she moved away for a job. Her cat-obsessed cousin took the cat in, but the cat was mean and violent towards all other felines so had to be kept in a room by herself most of the time for several years. It was so great to adopt my then-5-year-old cat because she was really glad to have the space of an entire 1-bedroom apartment to run around in (and now she and I are getting a house) and I don't feel bad about not letting her outside or not getting another cat because frankly she couldn't handle either. Also, she is very, very affectionate towards all people, and I knew she was going to be that way when I adopted her. When you adopt a kitten, you take a chance you're going to get a mean or utterly crazy cat (like my poor friend did; her cat was always hyper and did tons of damage all over her place).

Adopt an adult cat that already has characteristics that will suit your living situation. That's my advice.
 
ocean11 said:
I disagree with all they say! this is analogous to the saying in some countries that 'women should not be allowed to walk the streets alone because they might get raped' and 'should cover up...' no! taking chances is part of life..... you can't live in a bubble and neither can your pets!

Well, women are smart and capable. Cats aren't very smart, when it comes right down to it. We have bred cats to be like kittens all their lives -- mewing, kneading us for milk, cuddling, etc. Domestic cats don't grow up and become capable outdoor creatures, especially in a setting entirely designed for humans (and, yes, women count), with cars and crosswalks and dogs in neighboring yards. Cats are also NOT native species in the areas where we let them outside in the United States. Maybe their ancestors, long long ago, were "meant" to be outside in some other setting, but not here.

I'm not saying you're irresponsible for letting your cats outside. But I just don't think that it is at all cruel to have indoor cats. Growing up, I had outdoor cats that were always sick with something -- cuts, diarrhea, stomach problems, broken legs, bumpy skin with rashes, etc. They all disappeared and died around age 7 or 8, except for one who is still alive and living with my parents and doing well at age 10 (despite all expectations; he was a scardy-cat, scrawney kitten). I have an indoor cat now, who I adopted as an already-indoor, declawed (evil! but I didn't do it) adult cat, and she seems much happier and definitely healthier than any cat I have had before. So, I think that there are actually multiple answers here, depending on your location, and the ability of your cats to get in and out of the house without you being around.
 
DrMnemonic said:
No offense, and maybe it's because I am an older student, (second year med-student btw) but...

Is this a real question? I am not kidding? You may as well ask whether or not you can have friends, or parents, or penpals in med-school.

I am serious. Medical school is like every other aspect of your life. It will be exactly what you make of it. Period. If you want a cat, get one and do what you think is best to take care of it. Are you going to have friends in medical school? Are you going to talk to your parents? Are you going to have lunch every day? Are you going to get regular exercise and watch an occasional movie? Please. Having a cat will not take ANYTHING away from your studies - and if it does - you are WAY over thinking this pet-owerniship thing. So get the cat and then devote your worries to better things like, whether or not your decision making process is too involved to go into medicine.

Honestly, and I hate to say I'm not trying to insult you, because that is a rather condescending thing I just said, but if you really, really think having a cat (or two) is going to hamper your ability to get decent grades and have a residency... then medicine might not be the place for you.

Can you see my point? How can you make what amount to life and death decisions about OTHER people's lives if you worry this much about how a cat affects YOU and how your time comittments might affect a.... cat.

I have kids. I live over 20 miles from my school. I have a cat and a dog. And a wife (not in that order) My GPA is just over 80. (3.0).

You do what you make up your mind to do... that's all.

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Good luck with the cats!

Couldn't have said it better.

I have a dog. She's perfectly happy. In fact, I spend more time with her then some people with full-time jobs.
 
DrMnemonic said:
No offense, and maybe it's because I am an older student, (second year med-student btw) but...

Is this a real question? I am not kidding? You may as well ask whether or not you can have friends, or parents, or penpals in med-school.

There is a slight difference in that friends, parents, and penpals can fend for themselves if you are out of town or extremely busy. As a recent MD graduate with 3 cats, I can certainly say that it can be done, however my school has requirements that we do out-of-town rotations during our 3rd year. Most people spend an average of 12 weeks OOT at sites that are up to 9 hours away from our home site. They permit very few exceptions to this such as having a child and being a single parent. Now if I didn't have a husband at home to take care of the cats, it could not be done. In fact, over the past several years I have received a few e-mails from students looking to find new homes for their cats due to this problem. I don't know how many med schools require OOT rotations, but this is something to consider.

However if you can have pets I highly support it as they provide you with lots of entertainment and, I think, make me a happier person.
 
Some heated arguments here about cats....cats never seem to care about being alone most of time...in fact at the place I'm staying the only time they are ever really nice to me is when they want something.lol Of course I'm not a cat lover and we have 4 kittens and 2 cats in the apartment now..anyone want a German kitten? I'd keep one if I could inject them with something that keeps them a kitten forever.
 
DrMnemonic said:
No offense, and maybe it's because I am an older student, (second year med-student btw) but...

Is this a real question? I am not kidding? You may as well ask whether or not you can have friends, or parents, or penpals in med-school.

I am serious. Medical school is like every other aspect of your life. It will be exactly what you make of it. Period. If you want a cat, get one and do what you think is best to take care of it. Are you going to have friends in medical school? Are you going to talk to your parents? Are you going to have lunch every day? Are you going to get regular exercise and watch an occasional movie? Please. Having a cat will not take ANYTHING away from your studies - and if it does - you are WAY over thinking this pet-owerniship thing. So get the cat and then devote your worries to better things like, whether or not your decision making process is too involved to go into medicine.

Honestly, and I hate to say I'm not trying to insult you, because that is a rather condescending thing I just said, but if you really, really think having a cat (or two) is going to hamper your ability to get decent grades and have a residency... then medicine might not be the place for you.

Can you see my point? How can you make what amount to life and death decisions about OTHER people's lives if you worry this much about how a cat affects YOU and how your time comittments might affect a.... cat.

I have kids. I live over 20 miles from my school. I have a cat and a dog. And a wife (not in that order) My GPA is just over 80. (3.0).

You do what you make up your mind to do... that's all.

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Good luck with the cats!


If you check up on this again, just know that I am not in any way shape or form worried that the cats will affect me... I do think that part of responsible pet ownership is being around for my pets. Also, this is mostly for my family. They seem to think that having cats during medical school and residency is unfair to the cats and overall, just a bad decision. I guess that I could have made that a little more clear from the beginning. Thanks for your input. I appreciate it!
 
even if you get your cats vaccinated, they still have a 10-15% chance to get feline leukemia/FIV and its heartbreaking when it happens. I had two leukemia + cats (+ when i adopted them, found out after adopting them) and its not worth risking a cats health by letting it go outside.
never mind that feral cats are everywhere and if you've ever had a cat get an infected bite its not pretty, or have parasites, again not real pleasant

they can be totally happy inside and its not that hard to find time in the day to give them attention. mine love to sit in my lap and get petted when i study and they seem content in their lives to me
 
ocean11 said:
Cats can be trained to be careful when outdoors


This is very true... Cat Obedience School is all the rage in San Diego. Cats get a solid 30 hours of classroom time, going over such fundamentals as road signs, judging vehicle speed, estimating jumping distances, and so forth. This is followed by 30 hours of clinical rotations, where they rotate between simulated experiences in a controlled environment and real life situations in the city streets, focusing on evidence-based road manuevers and best-practices, as taught by experienced street-roaming feline veterans. Look it up, I promise it will make all the difference in your little kitties life. 👍
 
SanDiegoSOD said:
This is very true... Cat Obedience School is all the rage in San Diego. Cats get a solid 30 hours of classroom time, going over such fundamentals as road signs, judging vehicle speed, estimating jumping distances, and so forth. This is followed by 30 hours of clinical rotations, where they rotate between simulated experiences in a controlled environment and real life situations in the city streets, focusing on evidence-based road manuevers and best-practices, as taught by experienced street-roaming feline veterans. Look it up, I promise it will make all the difference in your little kitties life. 👍

:laugh:
 
Rex said:
even if you get your cats vaccinated, they still have a 10-15% chance to get feline leukemia/FIV and its heartbreaking when it happens. I had two leukemia + cats (+ when i adopted them, found out after adopting them) and its not worth risking a cats health by letting it go outside.
never mind that feral cats are everywhere and if you've ever had a cat get an infected bite its not pretty, or have parasites, again not real pleasant

they can be totally happy inside and its not that hard to find time in the day to give them attention. mine love to sit in my lap and get petted when i study and they seem content in their lives to me

There will always be two schools of thought about this... Ultimately, I think "anything goes" according to your outlook on life. Are you someone that likes to jump out of airplanes for the thrill, or refrains from the experience because of the potential that the chute won't open? Do you want your children to learn through experience and maybe get some scrapes and bruises, or protect them from the dangers (and beauties) of the world to remain safe and out of potential harm? Everyone's gonna have an opinion on whats best. I personally think that it's best to keep an open mind about others' choices, and not claim irresponsibility or overprotectiveness either way.

This is all beside the point of the OP's question tho. I know for myself that having cats is a responsibility that I had to consider and think out ahead of time. (I didn't plan on 3, but thats another story!) If you don't want to be forced to give up a beloved cat due to future demands on time and resources, then you have to make sure your life can handle the added responsibility to another life (albeit nothing so huge like a kid or a dog, for that matter)...its a valid question. And if your worried about what your family has to say about it OP, then do what you want to do and prove them wrong by actions, not words. You will have to make choices based on your cat(s)...like living situations, OOT trips, time away from home, etc...
 
i dont think you can really compare a cat to a child, you can teach a child things that you could never teach a cat, but yes their are going to be things you should do to protect your children just like their are things you should do to protect your cat. yes, there is a such thing as too overprotective, and i think in general children should learn from experience. i think though its not unreasonable to keep your cat inside only, the bottom line is it is a choice, but i have seen to many cats that live out doors die young and i agree with most vets that say cats should be indoor pets. it makes sense to me that if it doubles their life span and they are happy (which i think they can be) then it makes sense to keep them indoors.
 
to the OP -

keep your kittens! i've had my kittens since the beginning of second year (i am now a third year-to-be) and they have kept me very happy 🙂 they're not a lot of work at all, and with the proper care and nutrition they are very affectionate, living creatures. 🙂 it's nice to come home to a purring ball of fur.

when i study (which is a lot of the time), my cats sleep next to me. ever since i started studying for boards, i put a cat bed on my desk and they take turns sleeping in there. and i play with them during breaks. so they're not getting neglected at all ... also, i do think that they don't mind when i'm gone -- after all they need some independent, alone time 🙂

with all respect to ocean11, i'd rather believe the humane society and established veterinary advice about what's good for my cats ...
 
There seems to be a debate about keeping cats indoors vs. outdoors. I understand that the estabilished veternary opinion (as well as the opinion of the majority of the posters) seems to be that it's better to keep the cat indoors only. However, as a cat lover I can't resist to throw in a dissenting opinion, as well as share my own experience raising (exclusively) outdoor cats.

I have two cats which I found abandonned in a park as kittens. The thought of keeping cats would have never come to me had I not come across these strays. They were starving and ridden with disease, and I nursed them back to health, and they've been very happy ever since. My cats have never been let INdoors. I live with my parents at the moment, and my father's expensive Italian sofa does not permit the possibility of letting a pair of clawed cats roam in the house. Plus my parents think that as animals, cats don't belong in a house; that's where people live. My mother is especially disgusted by the idea of an animal curling up on her bed, shedding fur. Thus sometimes when the cats sneak in the house, we have to catch them and take them back out. It's the opposite of most cat-owners, I think.

However, raising my cats exclusively outdoors, they have a de facto infinite living area, and don't have to be de-clawed. They can claw anything they like outside to their heart's content. My cats know who feeds and loves them though, and I've never seen them wander further than one house over, and I have never observed them even going into the street. Whenever I call to them they appear within minutes no matter where they are, and they're very affectionate towards me. I purchased a nice ceder 'cathouse' for them to use as shelter when it gets too cold or when it rains.

I feel very good about the fact that my cats are my guests, in every sense of the word. I don't own them, they are not my slaves or chattel; they're 'freecats'. They're completely unfenced and have never known the feeling of having their freedom of movement restricted in any way (other than not being allowed in the house). They're free to leave at anytime, but they choose to stay. Once one of my cats went missing for 3 days, I thought it had either been killed, or finally decided to leave. However, it turned out that she was just trapped in the garage (one of us carelessly closed it after the cat went in to explore). Thus I don't think they're ever going to go anywhere too far.

Originally my cats were made to be outdoor cats out of necessity, but now I wouldn't dream of confining any future cats I own inside of a house. Cats are not humans, and forcing them to live like humans is simply...unnatural IMHO. I respect the opinions of people advocating keeping cats indoors. They raise valid points. True, an indoor-only cat is never going to be run over by a car. But it will never chase down butterflies (and eat them), nor will it ever feel the wind blowing in its face. Its world is measured in cubic feet. That's no way to live, like a caged bird (which incidentally I'm also against...just don't keep birds period). Just keep the cat neutered and vaccinated; if it gets hit by a car, then ashes to ashes. It could have just as easily died chewing on an electrical cable, or from being an overweight indoor cat. I think the improved quality of life is worth the extra risk.

Also, advantages for the cat-keeper include:
1.) no litter box to clean
2.) no smells to get out
3.) no furballs and shed hair to comb out of the furniture
4.) no cat toys to buy (which are really designed to substitute the natural stimulations a cat would receive by being outside)
5.) no declawing/scratching posts to worry about
6.) feeing the cat outside means easy clean-up, should there be spills.

Btw, when I leave for medical school, I'm leaving my cats with my parents; I think they'd be happier continuing to live somewhere they're used to living, and with a big yard.
 
Another opinion.

I have 3 cats. Cat #1 has been indoors since age of 5 weeks. There were several tomcats trying to kill her and she was chased into the house. About two years into her life, we moved and I could safely let her out of doors. I tried to do so, but she wouldn't go out, and would just run back nto the house.

Cat #2 was a two year old feral. She had been starving outside and I fed
her. She would not permit herself to be touched, though. After several monthes, there was a hurricane scare. I used a have-a-heart trap, caught her and brought her in. While it took several monthes for her to permit us to handle her, after the hurricane scare, she would not go outside. I tried leaving the door open and coaxing her out, but she wouldn't go. She would sleep on the bed just out of reach, and stay in the same room with me and
Cat #1. She also behaved as a total subordinate to Cat #1, eating after her and being differential. A few times, I have taken her out, she turns, runs back to the door and waits to go back in.

Cat#3 was 12 weeks, deaf as a post and possibly related to Cat#2. She is shy (probably partially due to her deafness) and curls up in a fetal position if you try to take her outdoors.

As I am a traveler, Cat#1 and #2 frequently travel with me. They adapt well, watch squirrels and birds, play with their toys, sleep with me. Cat#3 does not travel well, and stays with Mama when I am on the road. They are healthy, not fat, and quite happy, though strictly indoors. I clip their claws, bath them and groom them regularly to reduce allergy issues. They have been flown to NYC (in cabin, under seat) and lived quite happily in studio apartments. And while Cat #1 has serious ego issues, she definitely misses Cat#2 and #3 if they are not around.

They do require love and attention, but usually are not as time consuming as dogs. They are a good source of companionship and stress reduction.
 
Messerschmitts said:
There seems to be a debate about keeping cats indoors vs. outdoors. I understand that the estabilished veternary opinion (as well as the opinion of the majority of the posters) seems to be that it's better to keep the cat indoors only. However, as a cat lover I can't resist to throw in a dissenting opinion, as well as share my own experience raising (exclusively) outdoor cats.

I have two cats which I found abandonned in a park as kittens. The thought of keeping cats would have never come to me had I not come across these strays. They were starving and ridden with disease, and I nursed them back to health, and they've been very happy ever since. My cats have never been let INdoors. I live with my parents at the moment, and my father's expensive Italian sofa does not permit the possibility of letting a pair of clawed cats roam in the house. Plus my parents think that as animals, cats don't belong in a house; that's where people live. My mother is especially disgusted by the idea of an animal curling up on her bed, shedding fur. Thus sometimes when the cats sneak in the house, we have to catch them and take them back out. It's the opposite of most cat-owners, I think.

However, raising my cats exclusively outdoors, they have a de facto infinite living area, and don't have to be de-clawed. They can claw anything they like outside to their heart's content. My cats know who feeds and loves them though, and I've never seen them wander further than one house over, and I have never observed them even going into the street. Whenever I call to them they appear within minutes no matter where they are, and they're very affectionate towards me. I purchased a nice ceder 'cathouse' for them to use as shelter when it gets too cold or when it rains.

I feel very good about the fact that my cats are my guests, in every sense of the word. I don't own them, they are not my slaves or chattel; they're 'freecats'. They're completely unfenced and have never known the feeling of having their freedom of movement restricted in any way (other than not being allowed in the house). They're free to leave at anytime, but they choose to stay. Once one of my cats went missing for 3 days, I thought it had either been killed, or finally decided to leave. However, it turned out that she was just trapped in the garage (one of us carelessly closed it after the cat went in to explore). Thus I don't think they're ever going to go anywhere too far.

Originally my cats were made to be outdoor cats out of necessity, but now I wouldn't dream of confining any future cats I own inside of a house. Cats are not humans, and forcing them to live like humans is simply...unnatural IMHO. I respect the opinions of people advocating keeping cats indoors. They raise valid points. True, an indoor-only cat is never going to be run over by a car. But it will never chase down butterflies (and eat them), nor will it ever feel the wind blowing in its face. Its world is measured in cubic feet. That's no way to live, like a caged bird (which incidentally I'm also against...just don't keep birds period). Just keep the cat neutered and vaccinated; if it gets hit by a car, then ashes to ashes. It could have just as easily died chewing on an electrical cable, or from being an overweight indoor cat. I think the improved quality of life is worth the extra risk.

Also, advantages for the cat-keeper include:
1.) no litter box to clean
2.) no smells to get out
3.) no furballs and shed hair to comb out of the furniture
4.) no cat toys to buy (which are really designed to substitute the natural stimulations a cat would receive by being outside)
5.) no declawing/scratching posts to worry about
6.) feeing the cat outside means easy clean-up, should there be spills.

Btw, when I leave for medical school, I'm leaving my cats with my parents; I think they'd be happier continuing to live somewhere they're used to living, and with a big yard.

Thanks for the story. I really enjoyed the perspective.

Just in time...I had just about given up on this thread cuz most evryone here seems to think that the "vet knows best" (just like the "doc knows best") when it comes to quality of life and and individuality of perception...

I hope the OP is getting some good ideas for her kitten decisions...
 
jenniw said:
Hey everyone,

I currently have two kittens and I have simply looking for opinions on whether or not people consider it reasonable to have cats during medical school. I am considering more than just the cost. If anyone has cats could you let me know how it's going? Thanks so much!
You should definitely keep your kittens! I have 2 dogs and 1 cat who have been with me since before med school (I just graduated this weekend). Yes, it's harder to find rental housing (again, more so if you have two big dogs vs. 2 small kittens), but I lucked out and have a landlord who loves my dogs. In fact, he likes them so much that he put in a doggy door for me during my surgery rotation so that I wouldn't have to run home every 8-10 hours to let them out. I also have great neighbors who would come feed them and spend time with them on the days I had call.

One thing that I have to stress is that coming home to these furry kids every day was part of what kept me sane during medical school. Just petting my dogs while sitting on the couch brought my BP down by 20 points on stressful days, and making sure I got outside to walk them every day insured that I got some exercise and could clear my head after a long day at school/the hospital. Having pets is completely doable, and the benefits are numerous. Keep the kitties! 🙂
 
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