ASDOH vs USC

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I've been lucky enough to be granted acceptances to both and have placed the initial deposits.

California resident
3.9 sGPA
3.3 oGPA
22aa
Leaning towards GP, but may want to pursue residency.

I really enjoyed ASDOH when I attended the interview. Rent and tuition is significant cheaper and the students seemed happier. However, not to sound stuck up, but I dislike that they accept so many students with "subpar" stats. I know that they stress community service and I love that, but I do wish they looked beyond the volunteering hours and more at stats.

I have nothing against USC except for the tuition... and maybe all the surrounding undergrads.

I'm leaning towards ASDOH however everyone that I mention this to in the Bay Area think that I'm making the wrong decision.
I'm torn and am planning on visiting both schools again before the second deposit is due in May.
If you could share your thoughts and opinions, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!

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I've been lucky enough to be granted acceptances to both and have placed the initial deposits.

California resident
3.9 sGPA
3.3 oGPA
22aa
Leaning towards GP, but may want to pursue residency.

I really enjoyed ASDOH when I attended the interview. Rent and tuition is significant cheaper and the students seemed happier. However, not to sound stuck up, but I dislike that they accept so many students with "subpar" stats. I know that they stress community service and I love that, but I do wish they looked beyond the volunteering hours and more at stats.

I have nothing against USC except for the tuition... and maybe all the surrounding undergrads.

I'm leaning towards ASDOH however everyone that I mention this to in the Bay Area think that I'm making the wrong decision.
I'm torn and am planning on visiting both schools again before the second deposit is due in May.
If you could share your thoughts and opinions, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!
 
How much is total tuition room board at each? If you saving $100k+, go cheapest.
 
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I really enjoyed ASDOH when I attended the interview. Rent and tuition is significant cheaper and the students seemed happier. However, not to sound stuck up, but I dislike that they accept so many students with "subpar" stats. I know that they stress community service and I love that, but I do wish they looked beyond the volunteering hours and more at stats.

I think you already know what the right choice is. ASDOH is a better program and will allow you to start your career in private practice a lot faster
because of their lower tuition cost. ASDOH students are happier because they won't be over half a million in debt like USC. If you want to come back and work
in California, you need to make sure you are in the LEAST amount of debt possible because the saturation is real in Cali, especially since dentists
get paid less in Cali compared to other less saturated areas. Strange that you would say that, the general consensus is that its easy to get into USC
cause its so expensive but hard to get into ASDOH cause of the service requirements. Admission into ASDOH is very competitive and something to be proud of.
 
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I think you already know what the right choice is. ASDOH is a better program and will allow you to start your career in private practice a lot faster
because of their lower tuition cost. ASDOH students are happier because they won't be over half a million in debt like USC. If you want to come back and work
in California, you need to make sure you are in the LEAST amount of debt possible because the saturation is real in Cali, especially since dentists
get paid less in Cali compared to other less saturated areas. Strange that you would say that, the general consensus is that its easy to get into USC
cause its so expensive but hard to get into ASDOH cause of the service requirements. Admission into ASDOH is very competitive and something to be proud of.
Thank you.
I think I just need to follow my heart and not be influenced by friends / family.
 
Hi! I was actually in the same boat with this decision. I got into ASDOH Dec 1 and got the interview invite for USC after I made the $1000 deposit. The possibility of staying in CA (especially because I've lived in the Bay Area almost all my life and went to UCLA and I would have my friends and a familiar area closeby) and my friends/family being more familiar with USC's name (but really just the name, not the program) definitely weighed heavily on me. However, after thinking it over and talking to the dentists I shadowed I'm 100% ASDOH.

Here's my personal reasoning:
1) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ich-one-would-you-go-to.977436/#post-13561785 Read UltimateHombre's first, longer post.
2) Cost - I think everyone pretty much drilled in that point, but I really personally can't justify paying 500K+ for a PBL curriculum
3) Facilities - I can't speak personally for USC's but one of my dentists took her state licensure test there and was far from impressed, which is the nicest way I can put it. I'm not sure if they have upgraded and have enough seats in the clinic now, but I do know that I was blown away by ASDOH's and the fact that they have set ups that are highly inclusive for patients with certain needs
4) Residencies - I'm not sure if I want to specialize but its nice to be backed by a program that has a high rate of matching. I loved how ASDOH gave the opportunity to do more complicated procedures instead of referring them out to residents! That on top of the fact that so many people who pursue a residency place consistently match (hopefully) means you'll get in and once you do, you'll be running circles around people who are still new to the cases
5-6) Externships/Networking - I dont know how to neatly separate these ideas in context haha. I love traveling and having a school that encourages that while I get to work towards my dream career. If staying in California and networking is a big thing for you, there are sites where you can spend your rotation in California. Granted, it's not the 4 years of USC, but something my dentist told me really solidified my decision. He went to UoP and none of the places he practiced were from connections from his school, but he still found a place he loves. The other dentist was international and tested in for the state and she met potential associates when she worked in Western Dental ("Anyyyy fresh graduate is probably gonna find themselves there but you make the most of it") If you want to network, start now and keep in touch throughout your time in school. I'm confident I made a great connection while shadowing and dental assisting, so I'm sure if CA is really in the cards later on it'll happen.
7) MPH or certificate - I eventually want to have my own practice one day but I know I forsure want to work in a community health clinic for a few years before. Working with underprivileged communities was a huuuuge part of my high school and college life and I don't see myself abandoning that responsibility post dental school. Being exposed to this concurrently is awesome because I'm genuinely interested and its a pretty good plus when applying for residencies.
8) Clinical, Clinical, Clinical - Sim lab by 2nd year and pretty much full clinical afterwards means youre gonna learn well and fast. I'm sure USC is great clinically as well because I've heard multiple people saying they start early, but not as much as ASDOH. You rotate throughout clinics and can even work in clinics in rural, urban, whatever areas so you'll definitely be exposed to different personalities, needs, and procedures. I feel like this will make me grow as a person and as a dentist. In the end, a hiring practice is only gonna care about 3 things: can you work fast, can you work well, can you interact well with people. ASDOH, in my opinion sets you up so well for that
9) Modular Curriculum - hands down 100% down for being able to give all my focus to a class and review before boards. As someone who definitely neglected a class or two to study for another during a crazy quarter system, this seems like a dream. Also I can't really imagine myself liking PBL at USC, groupwork allllll the time and not having a set lecture to guide me while learning. It seems like a weird option for the pricetag
10) People - I dont really agree with the assumption that other stats are ruled out and that community service is the only criteria. Having good grades and scores and having an impressive record with service are in no way mutually exclusive. In fact, it may even be a reflection that they learned how to balance both. Talking to my future classmates after "meeting" them on the fb page or during the interview, I could tell they were really committed to the work they did. Also, some people offered to house others when we start looking for housing. The older years are being awesome about advice and resources. People in my class are already coming up with shirt designs and day trips. The faculty we met seemed awesome and more importantly, present and invested in the students. Overall, everyone seems happy 🙂
11) Quality of Life - One thing that ASDOH's website had almost front and center was the fact that they wanted to make sure their students were taken care of. I havent been able to check out the facility myself, but the fact that they have a program like Still-Well where they have "intellectual, physical, spiritual, emotional, social, environmental, and professional" resources is awesome

Sorry this was ridiculously long! I hope this helps and see you next year maybe! 😀
 
Oh and
12) Setting - I loved LA. That being said, I got all my clubbing, exploring, Disneyland-ing, etc out of my system but not until it definitely cost me my first years of undergrad academically. I like that Mesa is close enough to Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Tempe to go out if I want but far enough that I'm not constantly distracted when I really need to buckle down. On top of that I'm SICK of LA traffic and being in USC would land me smack dab in the middle of the middle of the most congested junctions. Honestly, the time to get home from Mesa to PHX to OAK is much more reasonable and less of a headache. There were times where I left UCLA 3-4 hours before my flight time to make sure I got through the ridiculous traffic (especially during breaks or move outs) and the crowds at LAX. Whereas after my interview, I made it from ASDOH to my gate in what I thought would be rush hour in about an hour total
 
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Hi! I was actually in the same boat with this decision. I got into ASDOH Dec 1 and got the interview invite for USC after I made the $1000 deposit. The possibility of staying in CA (especially because I've lived in the Bay Area almost all my life and went to UCLA and I would have my friends and a familiar area closeby) and my friends/family being more familiar with USC's name (but really just the name, not the program) definitely weighed heavily on me. However, after thinking it over and talking to the dentists I shadowed I'm 100% ASDOH.

Here's my personal reasoning:
1) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ich-one-would-you-go-to.977436/#post-13561785 Read UltimateHombre's first, longer post.
2) Cost - I think everyone pretty much drilled in that point, but I really personally can't justify paying 500K+ for a PBL curriculum
3) Facilities - I can't speak personally for USC's but one of my dentists took her state licensure test there and was far from impressed, which is the nicest way I can put it. I'm not sure if they have upgraded and have enough seats in the clinic now, but I do know that I was blown away by ASDOH's and the fact that they have set ups that are highly inclusive for patients with certain needs
4) Residencies - I'm not sure if I want to specialize but its nice to be backed by a program that has a high rate of matching. I loved how ASDOH gave the opportunity to do more complicated procedures instead of referring them out to residents! That on top of the fact that so many people who pursue a residency place consistently match (hopefully) means you'll get in and once you do, you'll be running circles around people who are still new to the cases
5-6) Externships/Networking - I dont know how to neatly separate these ideas in context haha. I love traveling and having a school that encourages that while I get to work towards my dream career. If staying in California and networking is a big thing for you, there are sites where you can spend your rotation in California. Granted, it's not the 4 years of USC, but something my dentist told me really solidified my decision. He went to UoP and none of the places he practiced were from connections from his school, but he still found a place he loves. The other dentist was international and tested in for the state and she met potential associates when she worked in Western Dental ("Anyyyy fresh graduate is probably gonna find themselves there but you make the most of it") If you want to network, start now and keep in touch throughout your time in school. I'm confident I made a great connection while shadowing and dental assisting, so I'm sure if CA is really in the cards later on it'll happen.
7) MPH or certificate - I eventually want to have my own practice one day but I know I forsure want to work in a community health clinic for a few years before. Working with underprivileged communities was a huuuuge part of my high school and college life and I don't see myself abandoning that responsibility post dental school. Being exposed to this concurrently is awesome because I'm genuinely interested and its a pretty good plus when applying for residencies.
8) Clinical, Clinical, Clinical - Sim lab by 2nd year and pretty much full clinical afterwards means youre gonna learn well and fast. I'm sure USC is great clinically as well because I've heard multiple people saying they start early, but not as much as ASDOH. You rotate throughout clinics and can even work in clinics in rural, urban, whatever areas so you'll definitely be exposed to different personalities, needs, and procedures. I feel like this will make me grow as a person and as a dentist. In the end, a hiring practice is only gonna care about 3 things: can you work fast, can you work well, can you interact well with people. ASDOH, in my opinion sets you up so well for that
9) Modular Curriculum - hands down 100% down for being able to give all my focus to a class and review before boards. As someone who definitely neglected a class or two to study for another during a crazy quarter system, this seems like a dream. Also I can't really imagine myself liking PBL at USC, groupwork allllll the time and not having a set lecture to guide me while learning. It seems like a weird option for the pricetag
10) People - I dont really agree with the assumption that other stats are ruled out and that community service is the only criteria. Having good grades and scores and having an impressive record with service are in no way mutually exclusive. In fact, it may even be a reflection that they learned how to balance both. Talking to my future classmates after "meeting" them on the fb page or during the interview, I could tell they were really committed to the work they did. Also, some people offered to house others when we start looking for housing. The older years are being awesome about advice and resources. People in my class are already coming up with shirt designs and day trips. The faculty we met seemed awesome and more importantly, present and invested in the students. Overall, everyone seems happy 🙂
11) Quality of Life - One thing that ASDOH's website had almost front and center was the fact that they wanted to make sure their students were taken care of. I havent been able to check out the facility myself, but the fact that they have a program like Still-Well where they have "intellectual, physical, spiritual, emotional, social, environmental, and professional" resources is awesome

Sorry this was ridiculously long! I hope this helps and see you next year maybe! 😀

Hello future classmate. I hear the t-shirt guy is one coool dude 😉😉😉

Seriously great post though; it's like reading my own internal dialogue because I had to consider the exact same things when making my decision. USC was actually one of my top choices early on in my pre-dental career. I guess you can say I was very San Francisco/California centric and didn't really consider any other possibilities out of state. However, as I started to research schools and lurk around on SDN, ASDOH was that one unfamiliar name that kept popping up again and again and started to build a great reputation in my mind. Admittedly, I had no idea what the acronym ASDOH stood for at first. I thought it was an East Coast school, the "D" must have stood for Dartmouth or Duke I told myself ( 😵 ya, I can't stress how California centric I was about dental schools at first). When I found out it was in Arizona, but the main campus was in Missouri and called AT Still University, I definitely had my hesitations about the school.

Fast forward 4 years. I've done my applications, I applied broadly, got ~10 interviews including ASDOH. Here's something they don't tell you on SDN. Your expectations and rankings of dental schools pre-interview may get completely scrambled post interview. ASDOH originally was a bit of a wildcard. I didn't know where I would place it, but after the interview, ASDOH immediately moved to my number one top choice school for all the things @torstine42 mentioned and more. If I had to continue the list of why I chose ASDOH:

13) The Dean Dr. Jack Dillenberg - I've had many a luncheon, presentation, and Q&A session with different dental school deans. However, Dr. Jack Dillenberg was the only one that really impressed me. His philosophy around dentistry, outreach, and whole person healthcare just resonated with me and is the whole reason why I'm pursuing a career in dentistry. Furthermore, his philosophy and good nature just radiates through the rest of the faculty, staff, and students. I was really impressed.
14) Long Term Priorities - Let's be honest, there's a high level of glamour tied to the almighty USC that most students will feel drawn to. I'm no different especially since I went to a small liberal arts college with division 3 athletics. However, you need to ask yourself about your long term priorities. If you're going to spend 30-40 years practicing dentistry, you should attend a dental school that's aligned with your long term career goals. For you and many others, the answer may be USC. For me, it's ASDOH all the way.
15) Intuition - If the choice becomes really difficult, then I suggest you ignore everything else for a second. Ignore the cost, location, clinical hours, facilities, matching rates, even the weather and just use your intuition. Where did you feel the most at home? Where did you feel the most comfortable in your own skin? You're going to spend 4 years in dental school so it's a fair question. I know it's tough to imagine without considering all the other factors involved in choosing a dental school, but if you think about it long enough, the answer will eventually reveal itself. Sometimes when you're at a crossroads in life, and all things appear equal, you just have to rely on your intuition.

A little disclaimer: Ultimately, dental school is what you make of it. Make your decision and don't look back. Just focus on making the most of your dental school experience. Stop every now and then and be grateful 🙂
 
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You guys are awesome. If it ends up that I go to ASDOH, it's great to know that I will have great classmates.

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Go to ASDOH cause it is cheaper.

But let's end the aura of Jack Dillenberg. This guy is beating his chest over the whole "public health/community service" chutzpah. He should decrease his salary by $80k to make room for a scholarship for students. Then I would really believe him lol.
 
not sure if I commented on this already I feel like I did lol

but yah ASDOH for sure.
There is nothing USC can provide you that ASDOH doesn't do better and for lower costs.
If you go to USC you will regret being in 500K debt when you could have gone to a cheaper school for the rest of your life.
 
I've been lucky enough to be granted acceptances to both and have placed the initial deposits.

California resident
3.9 sGPA
3.3 oGPA
22aa
Leaning towards GP, but may want to pursue residency.

I really enjoyed ASDOH when I attended the interview. Rent and tuition is significant cheaper and the students seemed happier. However, not to sound stuck up, but I dislike that they accept so many students with "subpar" stats. I know that they stress community service and I love that, but I do wish they looked beyond the volunteering hours and more at stats.

I have nothing against USC except for the tuition... and maybe all the surrounding undergrads.

I'm leaning towards ASDOH however everyone that I mention this to in the Bay Area think that I'm making the wrong decision.
I'm torn and am planning on visiting both schools again before the second deposit is due in May.
If you could share your thoughts and opinions, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!
where did you decide? also why
 
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