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In medical school, what is the standard curriculum?
Also, I volunteer in my local hospital, and the other volunteers and I have the option of rotating to a new department every three months, or staying at our previous department for three months. In your opinion, is it better to focus in one area, or gain experience in all different departments?

Btw, nice avatar.
Haha thanks. And I haven't started med school yet so maybe a current med student could answer better. But from what I understand the majority of med schools (each is different), do a block system. That means that each course is clumped together so you focus on one thing at a time. Many schools start with about 10 weeks of anatomy lecture in the morning and anatomy lab in the afternoon. Then after that ten week block you start another block such as biochem or something along those lines. This goes on for about two years (some schools like Penn and UVA it's forced into a year and a half). Then you start clinical rotations in the hospital where you spend 4-12 week long time spans in various specialties largely observing and learning. I still have much to learn about med school so if any current med students could elaborate or correct me I'm sure it would be helpful.

Where do you volunteer in the hospital? If you're on a patient floor I would try to move around. If your in the ER, any and every shift can present a new interesting experience. In general, I would move around as much as possible, learn as much as you can. There's so many different jobs to do in medicine of incredible variety, so now is the chance to see as much as you can so you can begin to figure out what interests you.




Where's NickNaylor when I need him?!?
 
In medical school, what is the standard curriculum?
Also, I volunteer in my local hospital, and the other volunteers and I have the option of rotating to a new department every three months, or staying at our previous department for three months. In your opinion, is it better to focus in one area, or gain experience in all different departments?

Btw, nice avatar.

Mr. Tappers seems to be doing a great job in here, but I thought I'd butt in for a second.

The standard "traditional" curriculum for the 4 years of medical school is 2 years of pre-clinical sciences (think 2 more years of science class, like college again) followed by 2 years on the wards doing your rotations (working in hospitals as part of the medical care team). Of the two clinical years, the first (year 3) is often "core" rotations (peds, IM, family med, gen surg, psych, obgyn) and the second year (year 4) has more elective time. Of the pre-clinical years, the traditional format was anatomy and physgiology in the first year (year 1), and then second year (year 2) delves into pathophysiology, which is the study of physiology in a diseased state.

The idea was you learn the human body in year 1, then learn about sickness and disease in year 2, then put that to work in the hospital year 3, and then focus on what you really want to do in year 4.

Some problems with this system was that it is really hard to all of a sudden transition from book learning to working with real people in a hospital. Therefore, basically every US medical school is now smushing and mixing all the years together, so that the disticntion between "pre-clinical" and "clinical" years are now very blurred. Some schools have even gone so far as to do a 1.5 year "condensed" pre-clinical years system (Baylor, Vanderbilt, UVA, more as well) and some even have a 1 year (!!!) pre-clinical curriculum (Duke, Vanderbilt for the class of 2017 and later, maybe more).

However, basically every school will have you working with either standardized patients or maybe even real patients your first year, and many schools now have student-run clinics where students can get great hands-on experience starting the first few weeks even.



In response to your second question, I would like to leave you with two thoughts. The first thought is that admissions commitees really like to see dedicated involvement to activities, and not jumping around all the time. That would mean that 3+ years of an involved activity is most likely seen as more valuable than 5 different activities each only a semester long.

The second thought, however, is that in the context of your hospital volunteering, unless you are really establishing some relationships that you could see developing your volunteer involvement to a greater level (ie they give you more responsibilities, let you do cooler, more interesting stuff since they trust you more), seeing more of the hospital might give you more stuff to explore and talk about in your application. You might find something you're really interested in as well.


P.S. If you're interested in my experiences with the application cycle, you can see a quick preview through my MDapps which is linked under my name.

Good luck to you all and I'd be glad to answer any more questions you might have, although Mr. Tap seems to be doing a mighty fine job with it already. :luck:
 
Well, if it helps, I am in the Endoscopy department, and though I had never wanted to be a GI surgeon, it has been fun, and I have watched several doctors do procedures, which has been interesting. I want to gain all the experience I can, but the people in the department have been super nice as far as showing me the ropes, and I don't want to just act like a little ingrate and leave... I am unsure of what to do.
 
Mr. Tappers seems to be doing a great job in here, but I thought I'd butt in for a second.

The standard "traditional" curriculum for the 4 years of medical school is 2 years of pre-clinical sciences (think 2 more years of science class, like college again) followed by 2 years on the wards doing your rotations (working in hospitals as part of the medical care team). Of the two clinical years, the first (year 3) is often "core" rotations (peds, IM, family med, gen surg, psych, obgyn) and the second year (year 4) has more elective time. Of the pre-clinical years, the traditional format was anatomy and physgiology in the first year (year 1), and then second year (year 2) delves into pathophysiology, which is the study of physiology in a diseased state.

The idea was you learn the human body in year 1, then learn about sickness and disease in year 2, then put that to work in the hospital year 3, and then focus on what you really want to do in year 4.

Some problems with this system was that it is really hard to all of a sudden transition from book learning to working with real people in a hospital. Therefore, basically every US medical school is now smushing and mixing all the years together, so that the disticntion between "pre-clinical" and "clinical" years are now very blurred. Some schools have even gone so far as to do a 1.5 year "condensed" pre-clinical years system (Baylor, Vanderbilt, UVA, more as well) and some even have a 1 year (!!!) pre-clinical curriculum (Duke, Vanderbilt for the class of 2017 and later, maybe more).

However, basically every school will have you working with either standardized patients or maybe even real patients your first year, and many schools now have student-run clinics where students can get great hands-on experience starting the first few weeks even.



In response to your second question, I would like to leave you with two thoughts. The first thought is that admissions commitees really like to see dedicated involvement to activities, and not jumping around all the time. That would mean that 3+ years of an involved activity is most likely seen as more valuable than 5 different activities each only a semester long.

The second thought, however, is that in the context of your hospital volunteering, unless you are really establishing some relationships that you could see developing your volunteer involvement to a greater level (ie they give you more responsibilities, let you do cooler, more interesting stuff since they trust you more), seeing more of the hospital might give you more stuff to explore and talk about in your application. You might find something you're really interested in as well.


P.S. If you're interested in my experiences with the application cycle, you can see a quick preview through my MDapps which is linked under my name.

Good luck to you all and I'd be glad to answer any more questions you might have, although Mr. Tap seems to be doing a mighty fine job with it already. :luck:

Thank you very much, clearly you know your stuff, and explained that better than I could ever have. And Your MDApps is very impressive, congrats on all of your success.

Well, if it helps, I am in the Endoscopy department, and though I had never wanted to be a GI surgeon, it has been fun, and I have watched several doctors do procedures, which has been interesting. I want to gain all the experience I can, but the people in the department have been super nice as far as showing me the ropes, and I don't want to just act like a little ingrate and leave... I am unsure of what to do.

I think this one sounds like it may come down to your judgement call. I have to agree with the above that adcoms like to see commitment, however as long as your at the same facility, I think don't think it's moving around too much. If your still learning new things, enjoy the people, and are not bored of the GI scene then absolutely stay. If you start to feel like your experience as a volunteer has been saturated, then I think it would be better to leave. Keep at it, see how it goes, and politely tell them you want to see other specialties if it comes time, they will absolutely understand, and I assure you it won't be taken personally by anybody. I have a close family friend who is a GI surgeon, and let me tell you, there is a lot of money in poop. After all, Everybody Poops (favorite book ever).
 
Your responses have been very helpful! Thanks much!
 
Would you recommend taking (honors) Orangic Chemistry in high school to prepare you for the college class?

I've heard that ochem is a hard class and my current chemistry teacher was encouraging us to take it today if we were interested in medicine.

Do you think it would have helped you in college at all?
 
Would you recommend taking (honors) Orangic Chemistry in high school to prepare you for the college class?

I've heard that ochem is a hard class and my current chemistry teacher was encouraging us to take it today if we were interested in medicine.

Do you think it would have helped you in college at all?

Chem (and organic) seems to be the class, that just seems to click with some people, and give others lots of trouble (maybe physics too). I, and I suspect you, are the kind of people that it just comes naturally to. I took AP Gen Chem as a high school senior and found lots of overlap with regular honors gen chem, almost to the point of it being a waste of time. Looking back I wish my high school had even offered organic. I would certainly recommend taking if it you feel you can handle it.

Taking honors organic as opposed to regular organic (if your HS even offers the choice) is ambitious, as most high schoolers never even taken organic chem. However, if you feel you can handle it, it will absolutely do wonders for you by the time college comes around. Organic chem is a class that is one of the most memorization heavy classes you will ever take, but will also be one of the most demanding in terms of higher level complex thinking. Ochem is no cake walk, so if you plan on taking it as a high schooler, be ready to put the work in, it won't be a class you can do the homework during your lunch period. If you feel capable, it will not only look good on your college apps, but give you a very large leg up during college when it comes time to take it with 300 people who have never even seen the material before.

While AP chem was a bit repetitive for me and I complain about it being a waste of time, it did provide me with the college credit, no so that I could graduate early, but so I could get ahead on my pre-reqs, and take additional upper level bios before the MCAT snuck up on me (which undoubtedly helped my score). Organic chem is on the MCAT, but somebody told me they may be phasing it out on the new test, I'm not sure? Either way it's a pre-req for med school applications, and you will need to do well in orgo 1, 2, and the lab. If your a chem person, and will do the work, then yes, take either AP general chem or organic in high school, there is much benefit to both.
 
Chem (and organic) seems to be the class, that just seems to click with some people, and give others lots of trouble (maybe physics too). I, and I suspect you, are the kind of people that it just comes naturally to. I took AP Gen Chem as a high school senior and found lots of overlap with regular honors gen chem, almost to the point of it being a waste of time. Looking back I wish my high school had even offered organic. I would certainly recommend taking if it you feel you can handle it.

Taking honors organic as opposed to regular organic (if your HS even offers the choice) is ambitious, as most high schoolers never even taken organic chem. However, if you feel you can handle it, it will absolutely do wonders for you by the time college comes around. Organic chem is a class that is one of the most memorization heavy classes you will ever take, but will also be one of the most demanding in terms of higher level complex thinking. Ochem is no cake walk, so if you plan on taking it as a high schooler, be ready to put the work in, it won't be a class you can do the homework during your lunch period. If you feel capable, it will not only look good on your college apps, but give you a very large leg up during college when it comes time to take it with 300 people who have never even seen the material before.

While AP chem was a bit repetitive for me and I complain about it being a waste of time, it did provide me with the college credit, no so that I could graduate early, but so I could get ahead on my pre-reqs, and take additional upper level bios before the MCAT snuck up on me (which undoubtedly helped my score). Organic chem is on the MCAT, but somebody told me they may be phasing it out on the new test, I'm not sure? Either way it's a pre-req for med school applications, and you will need to do well in orgo 1, 2, and the lab. If your a chem person, and will do the work, then yes, take either AP general chem or organic in high school, there is much benefit to both.

ok, thanks for the tips! and yeah its only offered as an honors class. It's actually a pretty new class at our school, I think they've only had it for 2 or 3 years.

I don't really enjoy chemistry (I think it's because of my teacher), and unfortunately the same teacher I have now for pre-ap chem is the one that teaches ap chem and organic chemistry, so if I take any other chemistry classes then I'm stuck with him.

But I do appreciate the advice and I will definitely consider taking another chemistry class.
 
Are you slacking now that you've been accepted? I know I am, and I haven't even heard a decision from my 1st choice school. Can med schools/colleges rescind an acceptance due to a poor senior year?

Can they? Sure. They can rescind an acceptance for any reason. They won't, though, unless you're failing classes or at risk of not graduating.
 
Can they? Sure. They can rescind an acceptance for any reason. They won't, though, unless you're failing classes or at risk of not graduating.

Even if they do not rescind it, there is far more bad than good that will come from pushing the envelope.
 
Were you able to study abroad, do a minor, or learn a new language?

Sorry I've been busy lately doing absolutely nothing.

But you really nailed my biggest college regret pretty hard. GO ABROAD! Everybody I know that did it said it was the best experience of their life, and everybody I know who didn't said it was their biggest college regret. Never again in your life will it be so easy to spend 3-4 months living in another country. If you can afford it and won't get TOO far behind in school then I encourage you all to do it. I've traveled quite a bit outside of school and it's one of the greatest pleasures in life. You won't regret it.

Minor? No I didn't. Personally I knew I wanted (and maybe needed) a 3.9 to get into the med school I wanted to go to. I couldn't have done that with a minor. If you feel like you can handle it and it's something your interested in then go for it! But always remember above all else, for med school apps, GPA will come first, so keep your GPA's well being in tact. And it won't be an excuse for a less desirable GPA either, so get ready to buckle down if you decide to do it.

I think in medicine two languages are important. Spanish and Latin. I took Latin in high school and it has helped me very much in understanding complicated terms, memorizing, and general comprehension. More importantly, it has helped me learn Spanish, a much more Important language! 40 million people speak only Spanish in this country, and it's your job as a doctor to establish proper communication with your patient. I just started my first Spanish classes and will plan on trying to take medical Spanish at med school, a course nearly all med schools now encourage. Take Spanish if you haven't! If you forget it, take it again, if your fluent, Latin will make you a smarter person. And take it in Rome while your at it.
 
Do you know anyone that majored in Physics?

Yes. However most were going into engineering. I was friends with another premed who did physics, and he will be attending a great med school next year. Keep a few things in mind about majoring in physics though.

First, physics comes very easily to people and very hard to others. It's similar to OChem in that aspect. Make sure your a physics person before you go for that physics major. On the mcat (at least the "old" mcat), there was mechanics, electricity and magnetism, thermal, and hints of quantum. Anything above that is "unnecessary." Additional biology classes that will cover topics "unnecessary" to the mcat will serve you well in med school, but your physics classes will be a bit of a "dead end." Sorry for all the quotes.

If you end up not deciding to go to medical school, a physics major will keep many doors open for you unlike my "premed" major.

Go for it if you think you can handle the work, but remember med schools don't give much weight to your choice of major, but your GPA! Don't major in physics if your GPA will suffer as a result and if your pretty confident in your choice to pursue med school. If you switched to engineering the pressure for that 3.7ish GPA goes away a bit.
 
While AP chem was a bit repetitive for me and I complain about it being a waste of time, it did provide me with the college credit, no so that I could graduate early, but so I could get ahead on my pre-reqs, and take additional upper level bios before the MCAT snuck up on me
I actually wouldn't recommend testing out of science classes, if you can avoid it. Taking APs is all well and good, but go take the courses you'd get credit for, anyway. They'll be easy A's. You'll have plenty of time to get everything you need in before MCAT time comes. I had a solid 40-somehting hours coming into college and didn't benefit from taking a bunch of entry-level classes. Don't make that mistake.

Don't major in physics if your GPA will suffer as a result and if your pretty confident in your choice to pursue med school.
Actually, unless you're certain you can rock out in your physics classes - something few people can do - don't be a physics major. In a sense, physics and engineering are still set up as professional degrees. That is, as long as you pass, you're in good shape, as far as employers in those fields are concerned. Unfortunately, med schools disagree and don't really care that you had to bust your butt for a C.
 
I actually wouldn't recommend testing out of science classes, if you can avoid it. Taking APs is all well and good, but go take the courses you'd get credit for, anyway. They'll be easy A's. You'll have plenty of time to get everything you need in before MCAT time comes.

I give this advice to anyone who asks. It'll boost your GPA and make your freshman year quite a bit easier than it otherwise may have been, which gives you more time to have fun. What's not to love? Unfortunately there were always be those going into college who disagree. 🙄
 
Personally, that is what I did. I didn't use any of the AP credits that I had, except for my general chem lab 1, ended up just using a single AP credit, so that I could boost my GPA. Am I happy I did it, maybe, but I wouldn't do it again, I'd rather have gotten ahead as I think I could have probably gotten A's anyway.
 
Question 1: Engineering + Premed. What were your friends experience with this mashup? Is it doable?

Question 2: Health care reform. Are you concerned?
 
Question 1: Engineering + Premed. What were your friends experience with this mashup? Is it doable?
Possibly doable, but I wouldn't recommend it at all unless you're one of those rare people who can dominate engineering courses. If you really want to be an engineer, give it a shot, but bail if you find yourself having problems.

Question 2: Health care reform. Are you concerned?
Not really. People going into primary care or primarily Medicaid/Medicare-dependent outpatient specialties should be, though.
 
What was the most difficult pre-med prereq class you took and how did you get through it (study habit-wise)?

Also, what would you say was your favorite or most memorable EC in college? Thanks!

I think it is probably a tie between electricity and magnetism, and the first organic chemistry. Both are not only very complex, but also require tons of memorization time. Most successful premeds have no problem putting the hours in, and fundamentally, as with most classes, if you put the time into it you will do fine. But those two classes are not the ones that you want to blow off.

Personally, my time at the ER near my school was not by any means unusual for a premed to experience, but am so happy that I did it. I saw some incredible things go down in that ER, (animal attacks, stabbings, shootings, MVAs, drunk sorority girls), and it was something I'll remember for a while. Get lots of clinical exposure!!
 
OP how did you manage to mantain that kind of GPA in your classes???? Any studying tips????
 
What do you bench? 🙂

Were you able to go to the gym as much as you would have liked?
 
OP how did you manage to mantain that kind of GPA in your classes???? Any studying tips????

I went to my classes everyday, about 10-1 in general, then I went straight to the library right after, and did all of that work for that day, reviewed those concepts, did that homework, and kept up with everything. I was home a few hours later and I was done for the night and could enjoy myself and hang out with my friends. I avoided cramming this way, and found that I did way better too. Teachers are willing to give A's to those who work hardest, so if you do your best then getting a 4.0 is easier than you think. With good time management you can get great grades and also enjoy your the best years of your life.

What do you bench? 🙂

Were you able to go to the gym as much as you would have liked?

Did I have the chance to go everyday, yes. Did I, no. As stated above, good time management and efficient studying will conquer all. When your studying, don't be on facebook, SDN, etc. Study and get it done, it will be a higher quality of work in a shorter time.

Were you strong in math and science in high school?

Yes, but I didn't really try as hard as I should have. I have always been more gifted in the sciences and math than in english, history, etc. Having said that, you don't have to be one of those sciencey people to be a good doctor. Theres plenty of med students who are history, music, english, and business majors. Being good at calculus is not too relevant to being a good doctor, and med schools know this, thats why there is only a few required science pre-reqs, and being a science major is not at all required.
 
I know you said you didn't want to tell us where you went for your undergrad and where you got in for medical school. But I might also go to a state school because I too was a slacker in high school so it will give me some hope do you think you could tell me? You can PM if you want.
 
I know you said you didn't want to tell us where you went for your undergrad and where you got in for medical school. But I might also go to a state school because I too was a slacker in high school so it will give me some hope do you think you could tell me? You can PM if you want.

I went from a community college to a state school and got multiple acceptances at medical schools. It's not about what type of school you attend but it's about how well your perform academically, how well you score on the MCAT, the relationships your build with professors for future letter of recommendations and the extracurricular activities that you engage in. You could even go to a community college in the beginning but as long as in the end you go to a 4 year university and you're taking the majority of your pre-reqs there that's all that matters. Stay positive 👍
 
What kind of non-Medical related EC's did you have?
 
Is it very difficult to take general biology & lab, general chemistry & lab, and math in your first semester of college? I plan to be a Biology major.

I'm trying to figure out my schedule now so I don't end up feeling overwhelmed when registration comes around. Is 2 lab sciences and a math (along with English) do-able in my first semester?
 
Any words of wisdom for me?? In high school atm started freshman year sub par with 3.1 uw and 3.25 w. With the way it looks I could be bringing my GPA to 3.42 uw and 3.6 w despite poor start. I have learned to start freshman year of college well. My situation is I will be testing my luck by applying to Pitt Main Campus and if I get rejected I'll be going Duquesne University for Pre med undergraduate. Do you think If I get rejected by Pitt I should go Duquesne which is more convenient or go to better schools I could get into Like say SUNY schools???? Am a PA resident. Also what are science classes like at college???? Do you still do Labs at college for classes???
 
What kind of non-Medical related EC's did you have?

I'm fairly involved in a club sport at my school. That is fun, and it also chews up a ton of my time. It's nice because when your playing, there's really nothing else to worry about. Your brain just relaxes and it primes you to get back to work and study. Choose something non medically related that you genuinely enjoy doing. It makes a huge difference. And sorry I've been doing so many interviews I haven't had time to answer these.
 
Is it very difficult to take general biology & lab, general chemistry & lab, and math in your first semester of college? I plan to be a Biology major.

I'm trying to figure out my schedule now so I don't end up feeling overwhelmed when registration comes around. Is 2 lab sciences and a math (along with English) do-able in my first semester?

I absolutely subscribed to the belief that the easier your early semesters were the higher the GPA you would end up with. Most people do poorly their freshman year, as they don't realize the demands of med school applications until its too late. I think if you approach it with the right attitude you could do it, but dont let your grades suffer because your trying to do too much for no reason. Also, freshman year of college is so much fun, enjoy it. So ultimately is it possible, I'm sure you could do it, but do you really want to?
 
Any words of wisdom for me?? In high school atm started freshman year sub par with 3.1 uw and 3.25 w. With the way it looks I could be bringing my GPA to 3.42 uw and 3.6 w despite poor start. I have learned to start freshman year of college well. My situation is I will be testing my luck by applying to Pitt Main Campus and if I get rejected I'll be going Duquesne University for Pre med undergraduate. Do you think If I get rejected by Pitt I should go Duquesne which is more convenient or go to better schools I could get into Like say SUNY schools???? Am a PA resident. Also what are science classes like at college???? Do you still do Labs at college for classes???

Don't stress too much about your HS GPA, because the slate is completely wiped clean when you get to undergrad. So make sure you realize how critical it is to do well in undergrad as those grades are the ones med schools will look closely at. And in terms of choosing a school, it's not where you go it's what you do while your there. I would say probably attend the best school your accepted to, but the name of a school isn't going to keep you from getting accepted to med school if your qualified. Just make sure you ARE qualified. Your in control of that.

And science classes are tough, some more than others. O Chem is obviously more work than general Chem 1. Sometimes the worst part of a class is the lab, my o Chem lab was 8 hours a week, and needed a ton of time outside class. They're fun though, so try to enjoy them.

With the right attitude all of these problems pretty much go away, you haven't even started the race yet, your just warming up so don't get too stressed and try to enjoy it!
 
Hi, I am a HS Junior. GPA 4.0, 4.5897 weighted. I have taken all rigorous classes.
I am in the top 10% of my class.
I would prefer to attend college that is close to my hometown. (Close to Charlotte, NC)
So... my question:
Am I putting myself at a disadvantage by going to UNC Charlotte instead of attending an out of area schools like UNC Chapel Hill, NC State, Wake Forest or Eastern Carolina U.




Thank you for your feedback.
 
Would you recommend going to a public or private university?

I really would like to go to a big public university with good research opportunities, but funding isn't that great --classes are small. I'm afraid that the classes would be too big, and I wouldn't have a chance to get a spot for research or communicate with the professors. Private universities would probably give me more financial aid, but those schools are oftentimes small. Moreover, my grades a bit mediocre (though they show a major improvement after freshman year).

I see myself going to a public university, but I also want to maximize my chances and opportunities to get into med school.Thoughts?
 
Would you recommend going to a public or private university?

I really would like to go to a big public university with good research opportunities, but funding isn't that great --classes are small. I'm afraid that the classes would be too big, and I wouldn't have a chance to get a spot for research or communicate with the professors. Private universities would probably give me more financial aid, but those schools are oftentimes small. Moreover, my grades a bit mediocre (though they show a major improvement after freshman year).

I see myself going to a public university, but I also want to maximize my chances and opportunities to get into med school.Thoughts?

It literally doesn't matter where you go to undergrad. There will be opportunities for research and both large and small, public and private unis. Go to whichever one you think will be a better fit for you. Not just academically, but also consider social life on campus, things to do off campus, weather, etc.
 
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