At least 2 of 6 current interns leaving Duke Family Med

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At least 2 interns to leave Duke at the end of this year. This info. is being kept from current applicants. Spread the word. Don't believe the bull **** the program director is pedaling. The ACGME violations are real. The residency simply sucks.
 
I'm gonna grab some pop-corn and get comfortable.

This should be fun.
 
The program gets reamed! 😀
 
Didn't Panda Bear scramble into Duke Family Med last year? I wonder what he'd have to say about this...
 
Andy15430 said:
Didn't Panda Bear scramble into Duke Family Med last year? I wonder what he'd have to say about this...

Leave me out of it. I just keep my head down, do my job, and try to stay out of "office politics."
 
Sky-line: Military slang for standing up on a ridge against the backdrop of a big open sky providing a perfect sillouhette for enemy fire.

Sort of like an "outing" I guess except that while an outing will usually only make people slap their heads and say, "Damn,I knew his sense of style was too good," a skylining will make people say "Damn, I know I can put a bullet in his head."
 
Panda Bear said:
Sky-line: Military slang for standing up on a ridge against the backdrop of a big open sky providing a perfect sillouhette for enemy fire.

Sort of like an "outing" I guess except that while an outing will usually only make people slap their heads and say, "Damn,I knew his sense of style was too good," a skylining will make people say "Damn, I know I can put a bullet in his head."

Where I live, some rednecks would view the two words as synonyms! :scared:
 
mosche said:
Where I live, some rednecks would view the two words as synonyms! :scared:


In a sick way, that is one of the cleverest bon mots I have ever read on SDN.
 
Panda Bear said:
In a sick way, that is one of the cleverest bon mots I have ever read on SDN.


I had to do a google search to find out what bon mot meant. I can't say it was really worth it.
 
Fortunately, I live with a Frenchaholic. 👍
 
mosche said:
Fortunately, I live with a Frenchaholic. 👍


im watching you mosche

and panda, im sorry you got skylined, so way outta line
 
Poety said:
im watching you mosche

and panda, im sorry you got skylined, so way outta line

I'll trade my residency spot for the cute kid in your avatar! I said "trade"; not buy. That would be illegal!

BTW, congrats on all the interviews. Are ya' tired yet?
 
Poety said:
im watching you mosche

and panda, im sorry you got skylined, so way outta line


It's OK. Let me just state that while I am leaving the program, it is not because I am disgruntled but because of a combination of family issues and a sincere desire to return to our native and recently devastated Louisiana.

I am not disputing any of the claims made by any residents posting on this board because I just don't know. However, because I am facing the responsibilites of a large (and soon to be larger) family, impending financial ruin, sick-inlaws, a son with Asperger syndrome, not to mention the usual rigors of intern year I am not intensly pre-occupied with the situation here. I have other worries, you understand, and really do look at residency as job (albiet an incredibly low-paying one) and not as something that consumes my entire life.

I am leaving, after all, and I am getting pretty good training on most rotations. Our program director, who has been nothing but gracious and good-sprited to me wrote an excellent "Program Directors Letter" for me which, upon being uploaded to the ERAS post office almost immedietely resulted in two interview invitations from programs that turned me down stone cold and early last year.

I am not a mind reader. I can only judge people by their actions and so far, I have been treated pretty well.
 
Panda Bear said:
It's OK. Let me just state that while I am leaving the program, it is not because I am disgruntled but because of a combination of family issues and a sincere desire to return to our native and recently devastated Louisiana.

I am not disputing any of the claims made by any residents posting on this board because I just don't know. However, because I am facing the responsibilites of a large (and soon to be larger) family, impending financial ruin, sick-inlaws, a son with Asperger syndrome, not to mention the usual rigors of intern year I am not intensly pre-occupied with the situation here. I have other worries, you understand, and really do look at residency as job (albiet an incredibly low-paying one) and not as something that consumes my entire life.

I am leaving, after all, and I am getting pretty good training on most rotations. Our program director, who has been nothing but gracious and good-sprited to me wrote an excellent "Program Directors Letter" for me which, upon being uploaded to the ERAS post office almost immedietely resulted in two interview invitations from programs that turned me down stone cold and early last year.

I am not a mind reader. I can only judge people by their actions and so far, I have been treated pretty well.

wow Panda, it sounds like you have a lot on your plate, I'm really sorry to hear that. I'm glad that you have a good letter of reference though. Sometimes things are all about perspective and despite the things you have going on, you've seemed to be able to keep a good perspective on things in order to get yourself where you need to be. Good luck with everything

Poety 😳
 
Poety said:
wow Panda, it sounds like you have a lot on your plate, I'm really sorry to hear that. I'm glad that you have a good letter of reference though. Sometimes things are all about perspective and despite the things you have going on, you've seemed to be able to keep a good perspective on things in order to get yourself where you need to be. Good luck with everything

Poety 😳

To be fair the impending financial ruin is no more than the usual faced by most residents with families. And my son's Asperger syndrome (a form of high functioning autism) is pretty mild on the spectrum of severity. On the plus side my lovely and talented wife keeps things running smoothly at home so I can concentrate on training.

When I'm at work I think about work and when I'm home I don't think about work (except that every physician needs to do a little reading every day).

There are legitimate criticisms of our program to be made. And I'm not going to discount the opinions of residents who left the program. You have to feel pretty strongly about something to go through ERAS a second time, uproot your family after getting settled in, and risk setting your career back a year. Their complaints are not frivolous and I resent the few posters here who have ascribed sinister motives to them.

I am just observing that I don't know the truth of it myself and that I have been treated well by our program director who is a pretty decent guy with the difficult job of sheparding the program through a transition from a hospital based to a community based program.
 
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Panda Bear keep the faith and as my pathology teacher always said "Don't let the bastards get you down"


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I understand perfectly that some clinics need to be fast-paced. Out-patient surgery clinics, for example, are incredibly focused and it is not unusual for one resident to see twenty patients in a long moring. I did that as an intern last year almost effortlessly. This is because a surgery clinic is ruthlessly "problem-focused" with one chief complaint. The history and physical exam needed to formulate a surgical plan is concise but brief. Not to mention things like routine wound checks which take five minutes.

Family medcine is not surgery. The patients are generally more involved in their work-ups and even if they are not, this is where the concept of health maintenance rears its ugly head. In other words, not only do we have to elicit a chief complaint and formulate a plan for that but at every visit we are expected to address every single health maintenance issue that applies to the patient. If someone comes in for a sprained wrist it is not enough that we get an xray and treat it (by sending it to ortho, ha ha) but we have to make sure the patient is up to date on their cholesterol, colon cancer screening, pap smears, prostate, vaccinations, mammograms and every other applicable screening. And we have to offer smoking cessation, harangue them about their weight, and make disapproving noises over their drinking.

Not too complicated on a 23-year-old healthy male but very time-consuming on a typical older patient.

Thus, there is no such thing as a simple visit. Nor do we dictate simple SOAP notes but must fit our note into a incredibly cumbersome template.

In a way, however, this is a problem for all of family medicine, that is, squeezing a comprehensive visit into the time only sufficient for a focused visit. It's just that at Duke you start out rushing and only learn to rush, not how to be efficient.

I just want to mention didactics or rather the lack of didactics. The conferences are incredibly weak and are usually on some completely useless subject like anger management or self esteem. Either that or some topic on community medicine which is often taught by a social worker or someone who's medical knowldge is irrelevent to their career.

Even when on a medical topic, a rare event, because the conference includes PAs, NPs, social workers, and nurses the content is either irrelevant to physicians in any but an incidental way or sufficiently dumbed down for the benefit of those without medical degrees.

In short, very few didactic sessions are worth attending.

It has been proposed by quite a few people that we need to have a protected block of time carved out every week (like they do in Emergency Medicine) which is to be used for grown-up education. The PAs and NPs can sit at the kiddy table if they like.

The resistance to this idea is intense. Of course it would be hard ot schedule but not impossible. Surely Duke will not lock its doors if a couple of FP interns are off the wardss fro three hours on a Tuesday afternoon.

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You future interns also have to understand that six residents per class is not enuogh to run a primary care specialty program at a large insitution like Duke. Maybe it is at a small unopposed program but there are many service requirements at Duke which siphon off residents from things like an Inpatient Family Medicine Service which we no longer have.

Not ot mention that the reason the didactics suck is that we can seldom, it seems, get enough residents together to make a good showing for a guest lecturer.

Medicine grand rounds, on the other hand, are well attended and the conference center is usually packed. If you are a high-powered academic, where would you want to give a talk? To a standing-room-only crowd of residents and attendings or two a couple of bored FP residents and a bunch of PAs and LPNs who probably don't even understand what you are talking about.

Consequently, the conferences we do have are pretty thin gruel. I absolutely refuse now to go to any conference presented by a social worker, a midwife, a lactation consultant, or any other "physician extender" because there is nothing important in them that couldn't be jotted down on a business card and handed out in lieu of wasting an hour of my life.

Thin gruel. That pretty much sums up the whole community medicine experience. I don't see why it requires specialized training in a residency to learn how to pass out condoms at high schools, nag the poor to quit drinking, and agitate for even more social welfare. These are things which, if you believe in them you can pick up in about five minutes which is why the academic barriers to being a social worker are so low.

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