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WhoisJohnGalt

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Please tell me someone else feels like they're drowning right now? Every time I get a call on one of my patients, I feel like a complete idiot. I know I'm not supposed to know everything now, but it would be nice if occasionally a situation would arise that I didn't respond to with a deer-in-headlights look and a call to an upper level...
 
It's totally normal. And it gets better. I promise. I started my internship (I did a year of medicine before switching to psych) in the MICU and it was awful. I still shudder even thinking of it. But it really does get better. And keep calling your upper levels and don't feel badly about it. That's why they're there. And assuming they're not jerks, they went through the same thing and remember how it was. 🙂
 
Thats what training is all about. You probably do know more than you think but its still July. As time goes on, you will get progressively more confident.

Its better to be more careful than be overconfident.
 
I feel like a complete idiot most days. Luckily I'm on my current rotation for 3 months, so hopefully by about mid-point I'll have somewhat of a clue. Then I do IM wards, so back to being a complete idiot.
 
I remember under-utilizing my seniors/attendings as well. There's this mindset at the beginning of the year to either show how competent and independent you are, or fear of showing that you feel incompetent. Brush aside ego's and ask for what you need.
 
Think of it this way, and I want you to look at this as encouragement even though it is phrased negatively:

You would be an idiot, if you thought you knew how to handle every situation that comes at you. Your attendings would be idiots, if they expected you to know and handle everything on your own.

It is all about experience; do not get discouraged. It takes about 4-6 months of an overwhelming learning curve to feel 50-75% prepared as a first year trainee. You will get there.
 
Don't call me though, hee hee! ;-)

The worst calls IMO are the situational ones--i.e. it's not really a medical or psychiatric problem but some weird new bureaucratic or operational thing you get told about and you're alone and no one can answer, but wow, are you being pressured to do something. It's always unclear then whether to call or not to call.

After I rotated through psych/neuro/medicine and peds I felt like I could answer basic questions all over the hospital. It takes some time though and only by asking lots of questions and gaining experience. Don't worry, it is totally normal how you are feeling!
 
I remember under-utilizing my seniors/attendings as well. There's this mindset at the beginning of the year to either show how competent and independent you are, or fear of showing that you feel incompetent. Brush aside ego's and ask for what you need.

Great point. Not only is it important to know when to ask for help for your own training, it is also important to prevent unnecessary medical errors. This article speaks to the possible spike in mortality and morbidity in July:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/07/hospital.deaths.july/index.html?hpt=C2
 
Please tell me someone else feels like they're drowning right now? Every time I get a call on one of my patients, I feel like a complete idiot. I know I'm not supposed to know everything now, but it would be nice if occasionally a situation would arise that I didn't respond to with a deer-in-headlights look and a call to an upper level...

Drowning? I write charts faster than a speeding bullet. My words are more powerful than a locomotive, and I leap over agitated patients in a single bound. I'm Super Intern.......in my dreams.

While its a tight learning curve right now, I'm loving that I finally get to focus on what I enjoy!
 
Maranatha you beat me to it.

I just read that article but have been too busy to post. I thought of this thread immediately (although I did post it on facebook).

I think its true that there is a possible spike and I think it is due to overconfident interns AND seniors. This is what happens with insufficiently trained people even with supervision.
 
I can completely sympathize with you, but I promise it gets better. Let me give you a perfect case in point. My first on-call shift in second year magically corresponded to almost exactly 1 year after my first on-call shift for first year. Both were equally heinous with an absurd amount of calls for just about everything. In first year, I remember needing just about the entire night to get all of these things managed, put out all the fires needed in the hospital, and work on my documentation. This year (a few nights ago, in fact), I had it all wrapped up in a pretty little bow by 2am and got to kick back. Its not that I became more intelligent or anything in a year, you just get more used to managing the situations (be it familiarity with administrative stuff, being more confident in your clinical judgement, etc.). So stick with it!...I distinctly remember thinking on my first or second call as an intern that Gamestop was hiring and it would be a hell of a lot better job🙂
 
IMHO, you really don't have a good idea of anything until the end of your first year.

By second year, you're a sophomore again like high school. Now you have a clue, but because you have a clue you might think yourself better than you really are.

By the end of second year I thought I had inpatient down very well minus the really weird cases. I still wanted attending support for the weird cases, or the high risk cases where I knew what was going on, but what was to happen should be completely up to the attending because it was so high risk. I was doing better in inpatient than some of the attendings,l though I was still green in other areas (like the rare cases). I, however, did notice that even some of the attendings didn't seem to know what they were doing on some areas, but were used to having everyone listen to them and not challenge them so they didn't feel clueless, and were happy in their comfortable stagnation.

From there I noticed that the really good attendings were the ones that saw their profession as a lifelong learning process. The bad attendings were the ones that did everything the same way (e.g. person is psychotic--they always gave the same antipsychotic. They didn't have a sophisticated or common sense method for picking antipsychotics).

By third year, I noticed I was ahead of about 1/2 the attendings, in at least what I frequently did. E.g. admissions, inpatient, etc, but the stuff I was encountering for the first time, such as long term psychotherapy, I was green at that.

I still consider myself needing to know a lot more in psychotherapy to consider myself good at it, but I do think I'm much better at it than several I've worked with based on my evaluation and performance scores at 4 institutions (residency, the state, a community psychiatry organization, and in fellowship). I'd like to attend a few seminars focused on psychotherapy. Real psychotherapy is a lifelong learning process. In fact real mastery in anything is ironic because to be one, you must always be a student in your state of mind.

IMHO once you've done something for awhile there's different tiers...

1. Getting it down to the point where you can survive the end of the day...
2. Then getting to the point where you are surviving, now you need to increase the efficiency and reinforce the memory tracts on performing that task...
3. You've gotten it down to the point where you can work the job and have a "normal day." (Where you're not having a panic attack or other acute anxiety situation).
4. Once you've gotten to the point where you've gotten it down and can perform it relatively easy, you now got to pick apart at what you've already learned and try to improve upon it.

The difference IMHO between a good psychiatrist and one that is not good is the good ones push beyond #3 and go to 4. Several are comfortable with #3 and will stay there for the rest of their career---> and those are the ones I've noticed where I was performing better than them by the end of my 2nd year in the areas where I've worked.
 
I remember under-utilizing my seniors/attendings as well. There's this mindset at the beginning of the year to either show how competent and independent you are, or fear of showing that you feel incompetent. Brush aside ego's and ask for what you need.

True. I feel bad about calling people, even though everyone at my program has been awesome so far. Luckily we have in house backup for our first 3 calls, so I think I've gotten a little more comfortable bugging people.
 
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