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I just got a call from Finch's admissions office. The man said he'd noticed in the AMCAS system that I have multiple acceptances. He then asked if I had any idea what my decision is going to be. Then, when I told him that I would probably attend one of the other schools, he mentioned by name the schools I've gotten into!!!

WTF??? I thought schools didn't know until May 15!!!!!
 
That really really sucks! Now schools don't have to accept you (not you personally) because they can now see where else you've gotten into.
 
This is great. Everyone, start making up your minds because I am about to jump out of my skin! I hope that the schools start pressuring everyone to drop all of their multiple acceptances because I seem to be the only sucker on this board and at my school who has actually dropped their other acceptances so they will go to someone else. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they moved up the date when schools can look so that they can speed up the process, especially after everything going so wrong in the beginning
 
This is great news for us who are still waiting!!

I just hope the higher med schools won't look down on us.
 
My friend got a call from Finch too. I think it is the same deal.
I think schools know about waitlists as of april 15th...

So maybe that's what it is about.
 
one of the real helpful assoc. deans at USF med told me they'd get the list around APril 1st, latest: april 15.

Guess that's how schools like Pritzker plan to make their waitlist..

Hopefully it will include people like me and Pelican that have NO acceptances yet and would have a much higher chance of matriculating if accepted. :clap:
 
REALLY?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> 🙂 <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> :clap: :clap:
 
Got the same sort of info from Loyola only in writing.
 
I got a call today too. Quite a change in tone from those before. They first made sure they had the right person and then began berating me. At first i thought it was part of the shindig, but then once they started threatening me, it became uncool. I finally told them i'd pay the f*ckin light bill. But with this, i really don't think it's going to change decisions that much- most schools know that many applicants will get multiple acceptances anyway. --Trek
 
Those of you who have been getting calls about holding acceptances....how many in fact are you holding? Two? Four? I can't see how anyone could get into trouble for holding two.
 
I wonder if schools say, "GREAT!!! Look at this loser we've accepted! He only has one acceptance. Maybe we've made a mistake". <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

Do they know if you've withdrawn from other schools? Hopefully not. Maybe they'll just think I dropped a bunch of other schools for them. 😀
 
I find the following EXTREMELY interesting:

Fact #1) AMCAS was late and behind-schedule on ALL phases of web application development, deployment, record-keeping, transcript collection, electronic transmission, etc etc etc.

Fact #2) In fact the ONLY thing that was even done on schedule (and in fact AHEAD of schedule) is this notification to med schools which in fact benefits the med schools more than the students.
 
I agree....what's with this shizo? I want a refund!
 
someone mentioned something about waitlist i think?
can schools that we're waitlisted at see?- hence the ~wonder if they're letting in a loser notion... thanks
 
Don't go overboard analyzing this -- if they see that you have only gotten into one school, they won't pass you over for someone who has gotten into more just because they have more acceptances. For all they know you were nice enough to drop your other acceptances 🙂

And I do bet that the schools at which we are waitlisted can see that we have been accepted somewhere else. Will they pass you over for an orphan? Not if you tell them you will accept their offer! At this point, if I were a school, I would assume that any student who was still on my waitlist would be accepting my offer should he get one. There is no point on sitting on a waitlist, that when they call you give them the "um, no thanks" So the list is mainly used for getting everyone into 1 and ONLY 1 school as fast as possible, not to pick out the best students.
 
this is very disconcerting. Not everyone knows exactly where they want to go. There are so many factors- money, family, SO, ... has anyone actually heard this from SCAMCAS yet?
 
Actually I received an email from a school awhile ago-about three weeks- asking me if I had any other acceptances. In the email she wrote that usually the schools already knew by this time but since AMCAS had not given it to them by now, they were emailing the accepted applicants. Based on this I don't think AMCAS was early and I dont think that May 15th is the day schools usually find this info out. Anyways, do school know about other waitlists you are on? I am on like five waitlists and would not really want the schools to know this.
 
NO, I'm pretty certain that schools do not report their waitlists. They only report those people whom they've accepted.
 
A pre-med advisor told me that AMCAS only reports to schools at which you are accepted which other acceptances you hold.

So, for instance, if you are waitlisted at school X, that school will never know anything else about you. But if school X then accepts you two weeks later, they get a list of all the other schools at which you are currently holding acceptances.

That sounds reasonable to me. 😎
 
according to Incendiary, they don't know whether you've been accepted anywhere (dont' get that list) until AFTER they've accepted you. this is bad for people like me that don't have any acceptances and thaught that this LIST would tell schools to stop waitlisting me and accept me (since they'll see i'm not in anywhere else). so i guess it can't help us out, and it can't--like valleygal said--help get people into ONE school and only ONE school as fast as possible. seeing that list after the fact will not give anyone any advantage or disadvantage, accordign to Incendiary's premed advisor (what the heck do they know anyway?!)
 
My point in saying that they would get into one school is that the schools will now pressure them to drop the multiple acceptances, not that they would only get one accept initially.
 
hmm, i think schools who waitlist you do know where you've been accepted. if you look on amcas's "traffic rules" page it says that if a school accepts a candidate off the waitlist late in the year (like over the summer), then it must also notify the school where they are planning to matriculate to let them know. i don't know if they send out this info after may 15 and just give the one spot that everyone is holding, but it seems the schools where you're waitlisted know at least something later on.

🙂
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•this is bad for people like me that don't have any acceptances and thaught that this LIST would tell schools to stop waitlisting me and accept me (since they'll see i'm not in anywhere else•••••actually i don't think it works this way--i don't think most adcoms really care that you haven't been accepted anywhere else and will thus hand you an acceptance over someone else who already has one out of pity. remember that they are selfish in that they have their own classes to fill with the types of students that they want the most--i don't see any adcom being altruistic enough to try their hardest to help as many applicants as possible to get at least one acceptance *somewhere*. if you're waitlisted, the best thing you can do for yourself is to pester the hell out of a school to show your interest in that one school in particular, not to hope that your lack of acceptances will win someone over.

what i had always been told is that all schools have access to acceptance information as soon as AMCAS releases it, whether a particular student has been accepted there or not. that info is fair game to any adcom that wants it. whether it factors into their decisions, i don't know--i just don't see it happening.
 
A. Caveman hey man haven't seen you in a while. Hope you've been okay 🙂

Here's what I think of all this even if med schools can't see which schools the orphaned applicants are waitlisted.

1: Although they won't be able to know who is an orphan and try to snatch them up, at least the higher choice schools won't think lowly of the members on their waitlist.

2: This gives the orphans more hope of getting accepted in lower choice schools sooner. Since the schools are pressuring the applicants to pick, this ought speed up the waitlist.

I've only seen 2 schools who have called up their accepted applicants to squeeze a response from them. Please Post if you get contacts like this from other medical schools.

Thanks,
Hero
 
I was holding 2 acceptances at the time Loyola contacted me. I haver since dropped one acceptance.
 
I had mentioned this before about schools getting the list from AMCAS. Our director uses the list to figure out how many over committments to make. If they have some students with better acceptances, chances are that they might not come here, so he can overcommit. But MacGyver, this year AMCAS was actually late in this respect also. The list was already late when expected by March 15. They didn't get it until the end of March. This held up our school to make another cut!
 
Okay guys, I now have a definite answer: schools do know where else you have been accepted to regardless of your status at their school, whether they have invited you for an interview, you are under consideration, etc. I know this because today I called Finch to confirm an interview appointment for May (I am not sure if I will go but I thought I'd "reserve" it for a week or two and cancel if I needed. Anyways, when I told the lady my name and amcas number she reserved the appointment and then said , "And you have been accepted at Creighton and Univ. of Nebraska." I was pretty surprised so I said yes and she was nice about it so she just said okay and we hung up. So A. Caveman, this actually might help you -and maybe me too with the higher ranked schools 🙂 .
 
waiting123 thanks for this info!! Hopefully this will work for those of us still waiting.. I just hope they will act positively with this information soon!

Is it just me or do only Chicago schools seem to be using and letting applicants they know this info so openly?
 
NYU sent me a letter today to please make a decision -- funny thing is, i had already withdrawn from there and all other schools except for 1.

mail takes time i suppose.

i wonder how much the schools know about the method of how you terminated your application. because i have withdrawn from a whole mess of interviews -- i hope they don't think i was rejected from those schools.
 
Sandflea, actually what i was saying wasn't that i hope they're altruistic (come on dude..no WAY a business is gonna be THAT altruistic). I was saying that they'd be selfish in trying to conserve their yield. as we've heard from lamyers and waiting--THEY ARE. it makes sense too. if a school, say SLU, liked me but thought "this kid's from Miami and they probably interviewed him in some florida schools..he's gonna wanna stay cuz they got it good down there" (especially since my interviewer mentioned UMiami and Jackson hospital like 4 times during our interview), then they might waitlist me, asking waitlistees to call and say they wanna keep their waitlist spot (show interest). if later on they see i'm no in anywhere, they might pick me off the list before they decide to pick off some dude who's gotten into a better school (all schools know where they stand as far as whose probably more attractive to what students--it involves where they rank themselves and how much interest you showed in that particular school during the interview).
Also, if they are thinking about waitlisting me, and accepting someone else from my interview day, but see that he's already in a better school, then they won't "overcommit" like lamyers said..instead they'll think twice about accepting someone else--like me.
 
I'll pass on what I learned for UTMB. I don't know how other schools handle waitlists.

They get a list from AMCAS (even though they are not part of AMCAS) stating where their applicants have been accepted. I don't know who all is on this list, but definitely everyone they have accepted and everyone in the alternate pool (waitlist). Then they take everyone who has acceptances elsewhere and kick them out of the alternate pool. They make a few exceptions, but at this point almost everyone in the alternate pool has no other acceptances. This is all stated in their FAQ, and they also told me on the phone. Since I have no acceptances, this is a good thing for me. I think they wait until May 15th to kick people off the waitlist, because they said there is basically no movement until June.

I know there aren't many Texans on SDN, but it's just an example of how one school uses that list.
 
I have read myself and heard from others that Texas schools kick off alternate pool (i.e., waitlist) students who hold acceptances elsewhere. However, please note that this is a policy unique to Texas state schools and Texas state schools ONLY.
 
shoot...i was waitlisted at ut southwestern but accepted elsewhere...is there anything i can do to prevent southwestern from booting me come may 15th?
 
I'm not sure how Southwestern does it, but when I called UTMB to find out about staying on the alternate list, they told me to write a letter stating that I was a TX resident and want to remain on the alternate list. My only acceptance is with a DO school so I also sent UTMB a letter of intent with it. Does anyone know if schools get a list from AACOMAS?
 
I just got this email from Einstein:

Dear Incoming Student:
The Association of American Medical Colleges has established May 15 as the date by which applicants holding more than one place should choose the preferred school and withdraw from all other schools to which he or she has been accepted.
This email comes to remind you of this deadline and to ask you if there is anything that we can do for you, in the next three weeks, to help you make your decision.
We look forward to having you with us in August!
Thank you
 
I just got this email from Einstein:

Dear Incoming Student:
The Association of American Medical Colleges has established May 15 as the date by which applicants holding more than one place should choose the preferred school and withdraw from all other schools to which he or she has been accepted.
This email comes to remind you of this deadline and to ask you if there is anything that we can do for you, in the next three weeks, to help you make your decision.
We look forward to having you with us in August!
Thank you
 
I'm not sure how Southwestern does it, but when I called UTMB to find out about staying on the alternate list, they told me to write a letter stating that I was a TX resident and want to remain on the alternate list. This only applied for residents accepted at an out of state school though. My only acceptance is with a DO school so I also sent UTMB a letter of intent with it. Does anyone know if schools get a list from AACOMAS?
 
About texas schools. If you read the texas system website it says that everyone who has been accepted anywhere else in Texas is removed from alternate pools in june. I'm not entirely sure that they would do this for all schools in general.

Specifically from the texas website:

"Acceptances from alternate lists may continue through June 1. After June 1, no medical school in Texas may offer a position to an applicant already accepted by another medical school in Texas. This is the result of an agreement between the four U.T. System Medical schools, Baylor College of Medicine, Texas A&M University System Health Science Center College of Medicine, Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine, and University of North Texas Health Science Center at Fort Worth College of Osteopathic Medicine. "
 
Got a reminder letter from NYU on Monday asking me to make up my mind. It lists the schools which I am currently holding my acceptances. It even lists one school in which I have been accepted while I haven't replied my decision (planning to withdraw anyway). The letter was dated April 17th.
 
I sent an email to the WashU MD/PhD program to withdraw my acceptance, and they replied back wishing me luck at Hopkins.

Of course, I dont recall mentioning anything about Hopkins to them, so I guess they looked at my acceptance list.
 
Bump.

Please post schools that pressure you to decide.

TIA.
 
I got the same letter from NYU during mid-April, telling me that I should decide by May 1st. It said that according to the information it got from AMCAS, I'm still holding acceptances at these other schools...but then it only listed about half of the schools that I'm holding acceptances at. So maybe some schools are more selective about the info they give out (or there was a mistake on my letter).
 
I did find it strange that at my april interviews, I was not asked whereelse I had been accepted or interviewed. At my previous interviews, that is one of the first questions they ask.
 
So bubblebear and Jewely2177, are you withdrawing form NYU or going there? Thanks.
 
I just withdrew from NYU today.
 
Well, Yale contacted me by email today. Here is an excerpt:

"One last question: Will you be entering an MD/PhD program? At which school? (We will get this information during the summer from AAMC, but it is helpful for us to know where our applicants have chosen to enroll and (if possible) the reasons for their choices. If you feel like sharing, we would be grateful.)"

Maybe Yale's system is just behind compared to the rest of the schools, or maybe this person is just not aware that the data is available yet.
 
bump. check the first page out.
 
Before AMCAS went to a web-based system, around April 15th (or somewhat ealier) med schools would begin getting two documents each month: 1) The Master Acceptance List...a listing of every single ACCEPTED applicant and everywhere s/he was accepted. 2) A list of all their own acceptees and where else the applicant was holding acceptances. Now that this information is available to admissions offices online, they are getting the information earlier. However, the current "traffic rules" (which are under revision) indicate that schools are not supposed to pressure an applicant into making any final acceptance decision until May 15th. http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/policies/recommendations.htm

In the past, schools did not receive publish information about who was on a waitlist or who was rejected. Nor was there information available nationally as to who was taking an admissions deferral.

Cheers,
Judy Colwell
 
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