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I've been told that residency is nothing like the real world. So while I spend a lot of time researching residencies I was wondering what you guys in the real world are doing. What is your average day like? Start time/end time? How many days a week do you work? Do you do all the procedures on one day or do you do them throughout the week? Any nursing home work? Other ways to to earn some money as a FM?

(yes, I read the sticky and realize that it varies with practice but that is the point I want to see the variety)
 
I've been told that residency is nothing like the real world. So while I spend a lot of time researching residencies I was wondering what you guys in the real world are doing. What is your average day like? Start time/end time? How many days a week do you work? Do you do all the procedures on one day or do you do them throughout the week? Any nursing home work? Other ways to to earn some money as a FM?

(yes, I read the sticky and realize that it varies with practice but that is the point I want to see the variety)


I'll bite.

1. Doctors don't do nursing homework.
2. You may see 25 to 40 patients per day. write scripts, if you round on patients in the hospital, you do that in the morning before you start your clinic
3. Procedures are spread out through the day as they come or are scheduled unless you are a specialist then you do whatever you want. You can bundle them or spread them out.
4. Start can be from seven am to 8 am , end a 5 or 6 or 7 pm.
5. other ways to make more money, there are lots of opinions on this one. I will stay out of it.
 
Along the line of researching residencies and real-world, I'd strongly consider going to an unopposed program. In my academic hospital, the tendency (for all primary care services) is to frequently consult specialty services for problems that you will be expected to handle up on in the real world (e.g. not call the ortho resident for every painful shoulder). Ditto on doctors not doing nursing homework.
 
what are procedures? family physicians don't do surgeries do they?
 
what are procedures? family physicians don't do surgeries do they?

From the FAQ:

What procedures can family physicians do?

Let me preface this by saying something that will ring true THROUGHOUT this FAQ, and that is, MEDICINE IS REGIONAL. Let me repeat that again so that it sinks in: MEDICINE IS REGIONAL. What goes down in rural Kansas does NOT necessarily go down in South Florida. What is acceptable in New York City might NOT be acceptable in Dallas. Other factors that contribute to what an FP can do are:

- Availability of other practitioners to do a procedure in a particular region

- POLITICS, POLITICS, POLITICS - Local hospital/regional politics play a MAJOR ROLE in what can be done by whom.

- How aggressive the particular FP has been in getting the necessary training in order to be competent in that procedure.

- What the local insurance companies are willing to pay for. Obviously, one is not going to do a procedure if there is no chance for reimbursement.

- How much EXTRA one is willing to pay in malpractice insurance premiums for the privilege of getting covered for that procedure.

- What the local hospital credentialing committee will allow in terms of staff privileges.

That being said, here is a partial list of procedures that FPs can do, depending on the ABOVE factors:

- Joint injections (knee, shoulder, etc.)
- Suturing of lacerations
- Biopsies (punch, excisional, shave, etc.)
- Cryotherapy
- Central line and peripheral line placement
- Closed reduction of simple fractures
- Drainage of simple abscesses
- Normal vaginal deliveries
- C-sections
- Tubal ligation
- Newborn circumcision
- Chest tube placement
- Endotracheal intubation
- Conscious sedation
 
I was wondering what you guys in the real world are doing. What is your average day like? Start time/end time? How many days a week do you work? Do you do all the procedures on one day or do you do them throughout the week? Any nursing home work? Other ways to to earn some money as a FM?

I work 8-5, four days/week (off Wednesdays), with an hour for lunch (a good chunk of which is usually spent catching up or doing charts). My practice is ambulatory only, no OB or hospital, no nursing home work. I typically see around 25 patients/day. I'm usually out of the office before 6pm. Appointments are 15-min. in length, with 30-min. appointments for new patients, complete physicals, and procedures. I schedule a max. of five 30-min. appointments per day (three in the AM, two in the PM.)

I'm in a call group with eight other physicians, so call is only once every nine days and every nine weekends...telephone only. Typical call volume on a weekday is 0-4 calls, and maybe 6-10 per weekend day. I carry a pager and a cell phone, so I can pretty much go anywhere and do anything on my call days. It's not bad at all.

I usually take around 4 weeks of vacation per year, but since I'm in private practice, I can pretty much take as much time off as I like...I just won't make as much money. 😉

Hope that helps!
 
are family physicians ever on call?

Most of us are. Unless you do hospital, though, "call" is basically telephone triage. Having well-trained patients (e.g., those who learn when to call you and when to wait until the next day) helps. 😉
 
I'll bite.

1. Doctors don't do nursing homework.

Ditto on doctors not doing nursing homework.

This may just be an "eats, shoots, and leaves" thing, but I'd wager the OP was asking about nursing homes (rest homes, long-term care facilities), not nursing homework.

Regardless, I know several FM physicians with an interest in geriatrics and spend some of their time working in nursing homes.
 
I'd wager the OP was asking about nursing homes (rest homes, long-term care facilities), not nursing homework.

Since the OP wrote "nursing home work" and not "nursing homework," I'd have thought that was pretty obvious to most of us. 😉
 
Since the OP wrote "nursing home work" and not "nursing homework," I'd have thought that was pretty obvious to most of us. 😉


What can I say we can't all be as smart you Kent. 😎:idea:
 
Yeah...that "reading" thing is really tough. 🙄

My single greatest accomplishment was passing MSI while being completely illiterate. The trick on SDN is I can type things out, but when I'm done I can't read what I wrote. I've gotten pretty good at faking over the years.
 
My practice is ambulatory only, no OB or hospital, no nursing home work.

Kent, what happens if one of your patients needs to be admitted? Do you just let the hospitalist service manage them?
 
Kent, what happens if one of your patients needs to be admitted? Do you just let the hospitalist service manage them?

We have relationships with two hospitalist groups at our two nearby hospitals. One of these is actually part of our multispecialty group. I maintain "community" privileges at both hospitals.
 
Along the line of researching residencies and real-world, I'd strongly consider going to an unopposed program. In my academic hospital, the tendency (for all primary care services) is to frequently consult specialty services for problems that you will be expected to handle up on in the real world (e.g. not call the ortho resident for every painful shoulder). Ditto on doctors not doing nursing homework.

Interesting comment. While speaking to a Family Physician that had admitting privileges at the hospital I rotate at, he told me his contract with the hospital required him to consult the specialties for his admitted patients. In other words, if he admitted one of his patients for rectal bleeding, after his workup, etc. he was pretty much obligated by the contract to consult GI.

Anyone ever heard of this? The doctor was pretty "green," he was out of residency only a few years so perhaps that was the reason, but I can't be certain.
 
I usually take around 4 weeks of vacation per year
Hope that helps!


That's all!! I STARTED with 8 weeks vacation/year.......not gonna tell you how many I get now since you'd be jealous😉
 
That's all!! I STARTED with 8 weeks vacation/year.......not gonna tell you how many I get now since you'd be jealous😉

If I had to do anesthesia, I'd probably want that much time off, too. 😉

I'm also off every Wednesday, so that's technically another two months or so of "vacation" per year if you add it all up. I'm not complaining.
 
I work 8-5, four days/week (off Wednesdays), with an hour for lunch (a good chunk of which is usually spent catching up or doing charts). My practice is ambulatory only, no OB or hospital, no nursing home work. I typically see around 25 patients/day. I'm usually out of the office before 6pm. Appointments are 15-min. in length, with 30-min. appointments for new patients, complete physicals, and procedures. I schedule a max. of five 30-min. appointments per day (three in the AM, two in the PM.)

Don't feel like you have to answer, but do you think you would be profitable with these hours, just ambulatory, if you weren't in a multispecialty group? My sense is that most solo FP offices have to see more patients per week, or at least add some nursing homes, to clear overhead, pay staff, and still make in excess of 120K.
 
Don't feel like you have to answer, but do you think you would be profitable with these hours, just ambulatory, if you weren't in a multispecialty group? My sense is that most solo FP offices have to see more patients per week, or at least add some nursing homes, to clear overhead, pay staff, and still make in excess of 120K.

Regardless of how you practice, you have to do it right. If you're solo, you're pretty much on your own, which is why so many solo docs flounder. Most doctors are not good businesspeople, no matter what they might think. I'm glad I have people around me to help with the financial stuff.
 
Interesting comment. While speaking to a Family Physician that had admitting privileges at the hospital I rotate at, he told me his contract with the hospital required him to consult the specialties for his admitted patients. In other words, if he admitted one of his patients for rectal bleeding, after his workup, etc. he was pretty much obligated by the contract to consult GI.

Anyone ever heard of this? The doctor was pretty "green," he was out of residency only a few years so perhaps that was the reason, but I can't be certain.

It's possible, but I think it's more likely that he would be "encouraged" rather than contractually obligated to consult specialty services under certain conditions.
 
If I were doing FP, I'd want 32 weeks off per year!😉

This is starting to sound like a pre-med thread.

We are happy that you like what you do and get the time off you want, but we also like what we do. No need to compare apples to oranges. Believe it or not, we aren't jealous of your life, as hard as that may be to grasp.
 
Believe it or not, we aren't jealous of your life, as hard as that may be to grasp.

I still can't figure out why an anesthesiologist would bother trolling the FM forum. Kinda makes you wonder who's jealous of who... 🙄
 
I still can't figure out why an anesthesiologist would bother trolling the FM forum. Kinda makes you wonder who's jealous of who... 🙄

:laugh:
 
I heard the nice thing about going into EM is that you only work 3 or 4 days a week. Isn't that also a trait in FM as well?
 
I heard the nice thing about going into EM is that you only work 3 or 4 days a week. Isn't that also a trait in FM as well?

A full-time schedule is usually considered four or more days a week. There are plenty of people doing FM part-time, working 2-3 days a week. One big difference between FM and EM is that you're not as likely to work many nights, weekends, or holidays in FM.
 
If you were doing FP, I'd support that. 😉

:meanie:

If I would have had to scramble into a residency slot, then you'd be supporting that!😉
 
If I would have had to scramble into a residency slot, then you'd be supporting that!😉

You've said you've been out four years, so when did you match into gas, around 1998? Roughly 1/3 of the anesthesia slots went unfilled that year, according to the ASA. That's not exactly uber-competitive. FM had an 85% fill rate that same year, so it looks like you'd have been more likely to scramble if you tried to match into FM. 😉
 
You've said you've been out four years, so when did you match into gas, around 1998? Roughly 1/3 of the anesthesia slots went unfilled that year, according to the ASA. That's not exactly uber-competitive. FM had an 85% fill rate that same year, so it looks like you'd have been more likely to scramble if you tried to match into FM. 😉

Very funny and appropriate...however,

DON"T FEED THE TROLLS.
 
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

I don't think he's really trolling. That would get him immediately banned.

The_Sensei: You're not trolling, are you? 😉

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Regardless of how you practice, you have to do it right. If you're solo, you're pretty much on your own, which is why so many solo docs flounder. Most doctors are not good businesspeople, no matter what they might think. I'm glad I have people around me to help with the financial stuff.

Having a partner who practices Hem/Onc or Orthopedic Surgery probably doesn't hurt. Any downside to being in a multispecialty group? (in general).
 
You've said you've been out four years, so when did you match into gas, around 1998? Roughly 1/3 of the anesthesia slots went unfilled that year, according to the ASA. That's not exactly uber-competitive. FM had an 85% fill rate that same year, so it looks like you'd have been more likely to scramble if you tried to match into FM. 😉

Kent, Kent, Kent......let me do the math for you.....

Matched in 2000 - did the requisite 3 year residency - out in 2003. It is now 2007 ergo the "out four years". The stats for unfilled slots were probably similar in 2000, though.
 
The_Sensei: You're not trolling, are you? 😉

Of course not......and that cop wielding a nightstick would end up as a funny x-ray in the ER very, very quickly.😉
 
Of course not......and that cop wielding a nightstick would end up as a funny x-ray in the ER very, very quickly.😉

I think your virtual bravado will play better in the GasForums, where you belong. Thanks for taking time out of your busy vacation to visit us lowly, underpaid, overworked FPs. You know what they say, though..."Guests, like fish, begin to smell after three days." Here, let me get the door...
 
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