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What is the average salary of podiatrists?
Also, do all podiatrist have private offices?
Also, do all podiatrist have private offices?
Avg. salary
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blufox80 said:
avg pod salaries are posted on the Bureau of Labor Stats web site
they are around 110 k yr
but I am not sure of the actual number
also
not all pods have private practices..but most choose to practice in some sort of office setting(usually a private practice)...more and more pods are joining groups. In addition, some work only in hospitals, nursing homes, clinics etc...
some get more corporate jobs(sneaker companies, prostetic companies etc)
hope this helps
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not all podiatrists are employed. not all podiatrists make that much...
i have an uncle who's a podiatrist and makes around 100K...he's been working for about 20 years now...he says most grads don't make anything when they get out (or basically very little) and most have difficulty finding a job.
think of it this way - to start your own practice coming out is difficult, you need a loan, you need money to cover overhead, an office, equipment, staff - will you really have that money? most likely no. ok fine, so get a job. it's not that easy. how many openings for podiatry are there? take a look yourself online and you'll see there aren't as many as say - nursing, pharmacy, or medicine. and one more thing - an orthopedic surgeon can do your job, so who would the average joe that knows nothing about medicine go to? they'd go to a doctor (MD) because they might not know what a DPM does.
try going to med school first. if you really like feet (which i do since i love running) then work ur ass off in school and go MD or DO and try to get into surgery. if you aren't passionate enough about it then you can do whatever and settle for podiatry school, and yes it is a big settling for complacency.
i have an uncle who's a podiatrist and makes around 100K...he's been working for about 20 years now...he says most grads don't make anything when they get out (or basically very little) and most have difficulty finding a job.
think of it this way - to start your own practice coming out is difficult, you need a loan, you need money to cover overhead, an office, equipment, staff - will you really have that money? most likely no. ok fine, so get a job. it's not that easy. how many openings for podiatry are there? take a look yourself online and you'll see there aren't as many as say - nursing, pharmacy, or medicine. and one more thing - an orthopedic surgeon can do your job, so who would the average joe that knows nothing about medicine go to? they'd go to a doctor (MD) because they might not know what a DPM does.
try going to med school first. if you really like feet (which i do since i love running) then work ur ass off in school and go MD or DO and try to get into surgery. if you aren't passionate enough about it then you can do whatever and settle for podiatry school, and yes it is a big settling for complacency.
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This is from a person that has not even started med school and knows nothing about pod school. If your uncle has been out for over 20yrs and only makes $100,000, he sucks! Pod school is not an easy road and if we are so screwed up and easy, then why would we have residencies at Harvard, Yale & Upenn where we are even training ortho's on foot & ankle procedures. Just another misinformed individual that chimes in a friend of a friends verbage!
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NDESTRUKT said:
Well said NDESTRUK, good skill to you. My father was a podiatrist and i have been toying with it because it much easier than medicine, i can have babies someday and just work 9-5 without too much effort.
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In every speciality (and every area of life) there will be people who fail at what they do. For many reasons, but perhaps because they are lazy, uneducated, or have poor business sense. It seems like people always point to the few unsuccessful, and fail to mention the many more who do succeed.
There are previous threads of citing US Government figures for average podiatrist earnings -- all around $106,000. The American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons (ACFAS) publishes results of their practice management surveys every few years in the Journal of Foot and Ankle Surgery. They found that the average net earnings for podiatric physicians who are board certified was $155,000 annually.
Anyone competent coming out of a surgical residency will make above $100,000 their first year.
There are previous threads of citing US Government figures for average podiatrist earnings -- all around $106,000. The American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons (ACFAS) publishes results of their practice management surveys every few years in the Journal of Foot and Ankle Surgery. They found that the average net earnings for podiatric physicians who are board certified was $155,000 annually.
Anyone competent coming out of a surgical residency will make above $100,000 their first year.
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diabeticfootdr said:
complete and total bullpoop
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ProdPod said:
testy are we? i never said podiatry school was an easy road.
how many residency positions do you have at harvard and yale? hmmmm? a lot? would you say more than ortho positions? no there aren't...why? cuz you're not needed.
if podiatry is so great, how come more people don't do it? it's not like it's hard to get in. and don't give me crap that people don't like the feet. i bet most doctors think a lot of things are gross and just want money.
get over yourself dr. foot. you won't even near 100K. find me 5 podiatrists that make around 100K and i'll find you 20 that don't.
i'll politely ignore the rest of your inane post. i never intended to diss podiatry, but in your case you make a poor example of the good ones.
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NDESTRUKT said:
dude...petty bs aside...
im too tired to argue and go tit for tat with everyone on this board
but im gonna say this...
podiatry is completly needed in our society...especially with all of the diabetics out and about(has anyone even seen the movie "supersize me"
ndestrukt i dont care how you feel about prodpod, or me or any other pods for that matter
but please check what your saying...think it through....does it make any sense at all
what orthos just let us live b/c they feel sorry for us?
please
you said it yourself..money drives most docs..so if they could wipe us out and make more of a profit they would
and as for money
think of it this way
if the bls points to avg salary as around 110K..dont you think the real numbers are actually higher
i dont know about you guys.. but most ppl i met who own a business never really report their full earnings
so dont sit there and tell me youll show me 20 pods who dont make money
b/c i know plenty who do
though i will say...podiatry is far from the biggest money making field in medicine
take it easy guys
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even an optometrist can detect diabetes early on...as can FP's and IM's...your point?
in no way am i saying mainstream medicine would phase out a podiatrist, but come on...don't disillusion yourself.
though i totally agree with the following statement: =)
in no way am i saying mainstream medicine would phase out a podiatrist, but come on...don't disillusion yourself.
though i totally agree with the following statement: =)
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NDESTRUKT said:
Even an optometrist? ouch!
Its not hard for you med kids to cr@p on someone is it?
just a thought, sorry
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NDESTRUKT said:
im not talking about detecting diabetes early(though its something all healthcare practitioners should be aware of)
im talking about the LE complications that arise from diabetes
thats something podiatrists deal with
dude..what stage of your medical education are you in right now?
like i get that you are trying to besmirch other medical fields...but you are doing a piss-poor job of it...you just sound stupid
the only person who is disillusioned right now is you if you really believe that other medical fields make podiatry unneccessary...
its like saying that since an er doc can diagnose a pt is suffering from acute renal failure..... a nephrologist is useless
you can try and step on the field all you want..but you had better come up with some more intelligent arguments
-j
hey guys, i dont understand why med students are always putting all the other professions down (even tho this guy is still first yr med student, and so full of himself) . but guys i just wanted to point something out that many people dont see or understand. when the average salary of a profession is given, it does not take into account the people who dont have a job! also, this is the average, so starting out, your probably going to be making less. the average is prob being made by ppl who have been practicing at least for a few years. what i'm trying to say is that if there are 50 ppl applying for 10 jobs, and those 10 jobs pay 100K a year, then the average salary of this job is 100K/yr. HOWEVER, what ppl dont know, is that only 20% of the ppl will get this job, and the rest will either make significantly less or do some other type of work.
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One of the only reasons that I actively scan the threads in here is because I was this close to going to pod school and like to hear what students have to say about their field. I, myself, decided at the 11th hour not to go (blew my $500 deposit at TUSPM) and decided to give TUSM a shot. My point is I am the first one to say that podiatry was not for me, but am also the first one to say that podiatrists certainly have a valued and irreplaceable place in medicine. I have NIDDM and would never go to anyone other than my DPM for DM foot care, or for treatment of my ingrown toenails. I understand that for FAS there is the question of sx trained DPM vs Ortho, but come on DPMs serve a needed function in the healthcare community. BTW, the only reason why I decided to go MD is that I hated the idea of having to commit 100% to a specialty before the first day of classes. I am going into my third year now and still don't know what I want to do!
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NDESTRUCKT and Jessica,
I have provided published references for my statements. Those references carry much more weight than your blanket remarks of negativity. Anyone who is on the path to becoming a physician in today's climate should realize the value of evidence-based medicine. Provide references for what you say?
LCR
I have provided published references for my statements. Those references carry much more weight than your blanket remarks of negativity. Anyone who is on the path to becoming a physician in today's climate should realize the value of evidence-based medicine. Provide references for what you say?
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diabeticfootdr said:
huh? oh you mean bullpoop? i guess you gotta be on the business end of the bull to need a reference for what that means.as far as my father being a podiatrist and me considering it i am not sure what you mean by providing references. why do all you people get offended so easily here? i have a great respect for podiatry. this is a students forum and i am a possible student. do i need a reference to be here? going into podiatry is not an easy decision over other options, but it is a path of least resistence as you may or may have not absorbed by posters here who chose to climb a higher hill. i practically grew up in my daddy's office and observed this field since i was a kid.
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jessica123 said:
before you start getting all cute with your sarcastic responses and patting yourself on the back..let me ask you....
if you spent that much time in your dads office, then how can you possibly agree with the last part of what ndestrukt said?
did your father feel like he had settled?
did your father tell you that he needed an MD degree in order to be surgically trained?
its true that alot of the older pods didnt have much surgical training, but i assure you things are diferent now and your dad will probably be able to tell you that..just this week we had a resident come in and talk to us briefly...part of his residency involved surgically repairing broken hips and more than a few complex back surgeries...i have met a few other residents who have been placed in charge of augmenting kumaden(sp?) levels
and as for the workload..... first 2 yrs of pod school and medschool are pretty damn similiar in terms of the workload and depth....so dont go into it expecting to have an easy time...(although admissions is obviously easier)
and unless your going in to your dads practice..dont expect a 9-5 shift when you come out
and by the way...ask your father if he really feels like the md route is a higher hill....or if its just a different hill
bottom line is that we are all helping ppl...so in my humble opinion..there really isnt anyone out here who can really say they stand mightily above all other fields of healthcare(and if they claim that they do; they are pompous dild0's)
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ProdPod said:
No need to put him down because his opinion differs from your opinion.
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no way am i putting down podiatrists, nor was i putting down optometrists. in fact my friend in optometry school suggested i should write that, so...moving right along.
i haven't started med school yet, no. that doesn't mean i don't know anything about health care and medicine. you don't have to be a health care practitioner or provider to understand how society works. i don't claim to be an expert (i never said i was) nor did i ever say podiatry was unnecessary. you guys need to chill, seriously. if people ever dissed physicians or said any type of physician was unneeded, i probably wouldn't give a sh1t. people sometimes say my job (engineering) is superfluous too but i know the truth and i don't really take offense.
you all need to seriously calm down. it seems funny to read your posts where you're all flustered because someone that you don't even know personally pushed a button. just because a lot of people that don't know any better look down on you doesn't mean you have to get all pissy. you're preaching to the choir when you get your panties in a bunch over what i said.
i haven't started med school yet, no. that doesn't mean i don't know anything about health care and medicine. you don't have to be a health care practitioner or provider to understand how society works. i don't claim to be an expert (i never said i was) nor did i ever say podiatry was unnecessary. you guys need to chill, seriously. if people ever dissed physicians or said any type of physician was unneeded, i probably wouldn't give a sh1t. people sometimes say my job (engineering) is superfluous too but i know the truth and i don't really take offense.
you all need to seriously calm down. it seems funny to read your posts where you're all flustered because someone that you don't even know personally pushed a button. just because a lot of people that don't know any better look down on you doesn't mean you have to get all pissy. you're preaching to the choir when you get your panties in a bunch over what i said.
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diabeticfootdr said:
since ur already a practicing DPM and probably should be busy, i find it amusing you went to the trouble of finding references for me. how come you still log on to these boards when you're not even like a moderator or something? i have an idea, how about scanning the references in, converting them to pdf format and posting them on SDN just so i can see it and believe you? you seem to have enough time.
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NDESTRUKT,
If you were actually interested in the validity of what you were saying, you would look them up. It's called MEDLINE - a computer database of published medical articles. You can find it at your LIBRARY - it's a place of higher education. They have books and other references there.
I am a first year resident at St. Vincent's Hospitals in NYC. I do have a busy schedule. But not too busy that I can log on here, provide counsel for prospective students, and dispell unfounded "hearsay" claims like yours.
Regards,
If you were actually interested in the validity of what you were saying, you would look them up. It's called MEDLINE - a computer database of published medical articles. You can find it at your LIBRARY - it's a place of higher education. They have books and other references there.
I am a first year resident at St. Vincent's Hospitals in NYC. I do have a busy schedule. But not too busy that I can log on here, provide counsel for prospective students, and dispell unfounded "hearsay" claims like yours.
Regards,
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It blows my mind how the MDs and allopathic students who come to the pod forum to bash could be even remotely successful. I don't go back to physicians that have a crummy personality. Coming on here looking for a fight shows a serious lack of class and is completely unprofessional. I believe being a health professional is a way of life and this type of conduct is certainly out of sync.
Grow up.
Grow up.
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NDESTRUKT said:
actually what you said was
"how many residency positions do you have at harvard and yale? hmmmm? a lot? would you say more than ortho positions? no there aren't...why? cuz you're not needed."
see..that sounds to me like your saying that podiatry isnt needed
and for the record...all of the information that you think you comprehend now(about society, about medicine, and about public health) will most likely be turned around once you began your formal medical education, so step off your little soapbox and wipe off that film of self-assurance that you wear like a raincoat..
my panties are far from in a bunch..but your posting with arrogance...and what your saying is not correct....
so I am correcting you, but you can try and backpeddle and deny what you said all that you want...
like i said..i dont care to go back and forth with you....b/c I am completely secure of my place and need in society, just dont tell me that im getting flustered or that im insecure when all i did was respond to your ignorance
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Sher9mm said:
You are correct that there is no need for bitter comments or rude diatribe. I think other health professionals drop by every forum on SDN simply because we all work together and all share a common interest in keeping each other informed. In some cases this involves practicing professionals, as well as students, sharing what they see in their daily lives regarding other professions.
Too often though, these viewpoints grow into a bashing session or a heated battle and the importance and validity of any information that was posted is drowned in a sea of emotions.
I would encourage members of every profession to visit every forum (including the Dental forum!), but also encourage everybody to remember that our opinions and viewpoints may not be how everybody sees it.
Certainly a high level of professional communication should reign in our posts.
