away rotations--common or uncommon?

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Just curious about how many people do away rotations in psych. It seems like aways are generally touted as a way to improve your chances in the "competitive" fields, while less emphasis is put on aways in other fields. I think aways are a great way to get to know a program better than on a one-day interview when they have the dog & pony show going, but I wonder if there are a lot of visiting students on psych rotations. How many (if any) aways did you guys do, and what were your motivations?

thanks!


(I'm posting so much b/c I dont feel like studying for my upcoming shelf!! 😡 )
 
littlepurplepil said:
Just curious about how many people do away rotations in psych. It seems like aways are generally touted as a way to improve your chances in the "competitive" fields, while less emphasis is put on aways in other fields. I think aways are a great way to get to know a program better than on a one-day interview when they have the dog & pony show going, but I wonder if there are a lot of visiting students on psych rotations. How many (if any) aways did you guys do, and what were your motivations?

thanks!


(I'm posting so much b/c I dont feel like studying for my upcoming shelf!! 😡 )


Lot s of folks do away rotations, usually to a) improve their chances at a competitive program, and b) get a feel for a program and see if they'd fit in. Choice b is a great reason to do an away rotation. Choice a can cut both ways... if you don't look so hot on paper, but prove yourself on an away rotation, then it's likely the folks you worked with will "go to bat" for you when it comes time for the program to rank its applicants. On the flip side, if you look great on paper, but come off as an ass during your away rotation, then you can kiss your chances at that program a sweet goodnight (especially true in psychiatry). I've seen both happen multiple times each year I've been on our admissions committee.
 
People do them, but they're by no means necessary to match into a good program.

I didn't do one. I really had no idea where I wanted to go until after I finished my interviews. Perhaps if going into 4th year I already knew what my #1 program was, maybe I would have done one. But since I didn't, it would have been like picking a program at random to do an away rotation at, which seemed kinda silly.

I know another girl who did an away rotation, and they absolutely loved her, but then her boyfriend went through an early match and matched in another state, so she didn't even interview there. But she had a letter of recommendation from her rotation there, and I'm guessing it looked good to have positive recs from two different institutions.
 
I think it depends on what you want. I live in North Carolina and wanted to visit programs in states nearby where my husband and I thought we could live. Also programs with good reputations. I had enough time so figured why not? It was an adventure in a way. I did a month at emory and one at musc. Im really glad I did both, for lots of reasons. Gave me perspective on psychiatry, allowed me to meet more residents and watch attendings and figure out which of all the qualities i saw modeled i wanted to emulate. Also allowed me to see what it is like to "live" in those two places. Especially in Charleston this was important to me. In the end I ranked both schools up there but not first and ended up at a school just around the corner (GO DUKE!), but I have no regrets. It definitely made interviews easier as well, because I had already had the experience of meeting people and explaining why I wanted to do psych and all. I really learned a lot from seeing the way psych is practiced in different places....gems I will take with me now to residency. The positive evals were nice to get, boosted my confidence, and I made some friends (attendings, residents) that I plan to stay in touch with. All in all, worth it. The one pain is being away (of course) from home and husband and all, and paying 500 bucks each month for rent (while I was still paying rent at home). My advice is to do one if you are really curious. It only hurts you if you really dont do well or dont fit in, and if that happens, it could be for the best and help you move a school down or off your list. Best of luck to you!
 
It's a great way to check out a program prior to the match. Kind of like dating for a while instead of just going out for coffee, prior to committing for a 4-year relationship. 😉

Good luck on your shelf, littlepurplepil!
 
I did an away rotation at the beginning of 4th year b/c I wanted to attend a program that none of my advisors had ever heard of. I thought this program was IDEAL based on its descriptions, but everyone kept telling me to avoid a program without an attached medical school - as a compromise, I decided to do an away externship there to see if what the program was like. And, in all honesty, I am very glad I did - as Felicity said, it really did open my eyes to different ways of practicing. For example, this "warm and fuzzy" program had lovely faculty and no call, but the in-patient atmosphere was not as collegial and learning-centered as I'd become used to in medical school (questions are not encouraged unless given permission to speak; residents preferred the externs to be seen but not heard; a bit more hierarchy than I expected). But, I got a chance to work with schizophrenics and spend a lot of time with them every day - something I hadn't managed to do at my home institution - and I LOVED it. Completely loved finding out that one really can talk with people experiencing vivid psychosis, and sort of understand their inner world... Connect with them and even develop therapeutic relationships! Blew me away (had previously thought you could only give them meds and wait).

So, I valued the experience on many levels - learning about the program's "atmosphere" and how well I meshed with the residents, learning how to connect with patients in active psychosis, and how gorgeous california weather is... *laugh*

On the down side, this was a huge upheaval for my family (travelling across the country for a month), expensive (airfare, car rental, and rent), and a little stressful (learning a new computer/hospital system, navigating a new city, etc).

As an aside, please take care in posting anything negative about your extern experience on these forums, because I received extremely irate e-mails from a resident who recognized herself in one of my posts (despite no name or institutional id's included).

I've heard from many folks in these forums, who did away rotations at institutions they really wanted to attend, and then they realized they didn't like the program as much as they'd thought. On the other hand, I've also heard from people (in psych) who did an away rotation at competitive schools (UCSF, Cambridge), and did NOT receive an interview invite - so it doesn't guarantee an interview at those 2 schools anyway.

I'm not sure it's the best thing to do to improve your chances, but I agree with felicty and beatrice, that it's a fantastic way for YOU to check out programs you think you'd really like to attend.
 
Lets not forget the importance of away electives in furthering exposure to the practice of psychiatry in various settings and with varied interests.

I personally went to a small medical school in Ohio that is very community based and thus my psychiatry experience was limited to a single floor in our community hospital. When I was preparing my fourth year curriculum last year, I was given the advice to look into larger psychiatric centers of which there are still a few more varieties.

For example, I took an away elective at McLean Hospital whose residency has approximately 15 residents in each year. Furthermore, the hospital is essentially a college devoted to psychiatric medicine. There are many separate buildings which are highly specialized.

Another variety would be a research powerhouse; for example, I spent a month in Pittsburgh. The atmosphere and people you will meet there are fascinating.

Essentially, remember that psychiatry is practiced so differently from place to place, and the more variety you get exposure to, (although I too am relatively naive) the more tools with which you can care for your patients.

I personally believe that away rotations are supremely important for the growth of medical students interested in psychiatry, especially those whose training occured in smaller institutions.

Good luck everyone in all your endeavors!
 
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