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I am shocked and appalled that any US university would offer a seven year med program in conjunction with a Caribbean school. I'm even more shocked that NJIT of all colleges would do this, considering the fact that they already have a seven year program with Rutgers - NJMS. IMO, the only explanation is that this is a blatant money grab. SGU is paying them for this and they are throwing their graduates under the bus for the money.I need some advice regarding the 7 year accelerated med program at NJIT/SGU! My brother got accepted to this program and I'm helping him do a little research to decide whether or not he should attend.
In this program, you do a B.A. in biology or B.S. in engineering for 3 years at NJIT, do 4th and 5th years at St. George, and return to New Jersey for the 6th and 7th years for your clinical rotations. I believe the medical degree is awarded by SGU, not NJIT.
I'm a little hesitant because I have heard that Caribbean schools don't have the greatest reputation in the medical field. Also heard that residency options after finishing become limited in the sense that it's harder to specialize. And are you considered a foreign doctor after graduating? Would you have to take some sort of exam to be able to practice/do residency in the U.S.?
If he was applying as a normal applicant after Bachelor's, then that would be a different story but since this is an accelerated program, I can't help but consider the time and money saved here. Not to mention avoiding the hassle of applying to med school and interviews and MCAT and all that. I just want to know if this program is worth it and that my brother doesn't screw himself over in the long run.
Pardon me if these seem like basic questions! I'm not in the medical field and while I have a fairly good idea of med school admissions from friends who have applied/are applying, I'm clueless as to what happens after med school.
I am shocked and appalled that any US university would offer a seven year med program in conjunction with a Caribbean school. I'm even more shocked that NJIT of all colleges would do this, considering the fact that they already have a seven year program with Rutgers - NJMS. IMO, the only explanation is that this is a blatant money grab. SGU is paying them for this and they are throwing their graduates under the bus for the money.
I need some advice regarding the 7 year accelerated med program at NJIT/SGU! My brother got accepted to this program and I'm helping him do a little research to decide whether or not he should attend.
In this program, you do a B.A. in biology or B.S. in engineering for 3 years at NJIT, do 4th and 5th years at St. George, and return to New Jersey for the 6th and 7th years for your clinical rotations. I believe the medical degree is awarded by SGU, not NJIT.
I'm a little hesitant because I have heard that Caribbean schools don't have the greatest reputation in the medical field. Also heard that residency options after finishing become limited in the sense that it's harder to specialize. And are you considered a foreign doctor after graduating? Would you have to take some sort of exam to be able to practice/do residency in the U.S.?
If he was applying as a normal applicant after Bachelor's, then that would be a different story but since this is an accelerated program, I can't help but consider the time and money saved here. Not to mention avoiding the hassle of applying to med school and interviews and MCAT and all that. I just want to know if this program is worth it and that my brother doesn't screw himself over in the long run.
Pardon me if these seem like basic questions! I'm not in the medical field and while I have a fairly good idea of med school admissions from friends who have applied/are applying, I'm clueless as to what happens after med school.
75% is no way on par with DO match. We matched 77% in allo match and that doesn't include those who matched in osteo. For my own school I'd guess our match rate overall is in the 90s. Try to go US MD/DO if at all possible, residency spots are only going to get more competitive for IMGs. Good luck
2013 Match Rate Osteo 75.4%.
I'm not knocking DO, they are fantastic physicians and have a wide spectrum of opportunities available to them. In many cases, they fare better than MDs. Let's take a look at the AOA stats in-depth:
One thing I love about AOA is that they publish by school, much more honest than NRMP.
For example: ATSU has 56.5% not participating (likely NRMP buffs), which means 43.5% of the students will be participating. Assume 100 students participate:
Let's look at the 56.5 students (assume we have half of a student, a midget if you will 😛 ). 75.4% of them match MD residencies.
Now we have 42.6 students going MD (again assume a midget, a slightly bigger one) and the rest of the 43.5 students go the AOA route:
ATSU could not match 13.9% of them, which gives a AOA match rate of 86.1%.
Average that with the 75.4%, you get 80.75%, so there's that added benefit of having the DO route.
Then again, the average match is about 88.2% for DO, so pull that number up and you're pushing about 82-83% overall.
The data you're referring to are only counting matches to AOA programs.
In 2013 there were 4013 graduating DO students (plus 370 former graduates who were participating in the AOA match)--2178 matched. After the AOA match, 2677 DO students/grads submitted matched NRMP rank lists -- 2019 matched.
(2178+2019)/(4013+370)=4197/4383 > 95%
There are about 150 DOs who didn't withdraw or submit a rank list to NRMP (that leaves them eligible for SOAP), and even if you count allof them as unmatched, it's >92%.
I'm not even a DO candidate and I find it off putting that you'd disseminate this misinformation. The Carib schools notoriously dismiss students they don't believe can match, so you can also consider their data effectively grossly inflated.
The AOA data you're using to determine the % matched is the % matched to AOA programs, not overall. You're misinterpreting what you're looking at. My numbers come from the AOA data plus the NRMP data (which it seems you're ignoring or don't know which part to look at).Once again, I've provided statistical evidence behind my numbers so if you feel you can repudiate it, I encourage you. I'm simply stating the evident. As far as inflation, the schools that are eligible for Federal Loans are required to list their average USMLE scores and attrition rates — frankly I'm surprised as all of these statistics are available on government websites .
As to your mathematical contortion, it doesn't quite conform with the law of averages. So since we've established that NRMP rate for DO is 75.4%, even IF the DO match rate was 100% (which AOA indicates it is not) at the very most the average match rate between AOA/NRMP is 87.7%.
(75.4 + 100)/2 = 87.7 (that's the max)
To assume that the DOs hit 95% overall would be making the assumption that the DO match rate was 114.6%.
Like I said, numbers are very important.
With Respect
Konsie
The AOA data you're using to determine the % matched is the % matched to AOA programs, not overall. You're misinterpreting what you're looking at. My numbers come from the AOA data plus the NRMP data (which it seems you're ignoring or don't know which part to look at).
4197 DOs matched last year to either AOA or ACGME.
Approximately 4383 tried (+ some portion of 150 who didn't submit rank lists but didn't withdraw).
you need this (which you have):
https://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2013sklstats.html
PLUS
the data from page 15 of this:
http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/main-residency-match-data/
I'm not even sure what you're doing averaging your aoa data and 100%. I think you don't understand how the matches work--DO applicants can apply to both but can withdraw from either based on the interviews they receive, and you become ineligible for nrmp if you match aoa, so the pools overlap & the total is approximately that 4383 listed by the aoa.
Anyway friend,
I wish you the best of luck in your residency. Mass statistics don't reflect the quality of the individual. Also, your screen name is Russian: Piglette from Russian Winnie the Pooh. Am I right?
Fellow Ruski?
Konsie
I fixed my #'s as there were mixed data from different years. So it's in the low 80s, BUT that includes prior grads (370), who may represent people who are very difficult to match (previously unmatched or who are trying to switch fields or even have been dismissed from residency..idk), which means the match rate for current grads is higher. conversely, any number for Carib is actually lower if you consider the number they do not let apply for residency (dismiss from school, don't let sit for step exams b/c they don't think they will pass).
Additionally, i'm not sure how either data set handles soaped/scrambled matches, and that would be important. Given stronger ties to many hospitals & the numerous unfilled AOA slots, I would conjecture DOs do better post match in securing a spot. Now that acgme & aoa will be unified, I suspect they will continue to get preference for unfilled slots at those hospitals...although none of us can predict the future.
I don't have a dog in this fight as i'm a matched MD senior who did well in the match. There is much more to this than numbers as premeds rarely take into account the proportion of those who matched...but to terrible programs.And there is a distinct weakness in the rotations of many Carib students (and some DO) due to lack of affiliated teaching hospital. I have known good and bad physicians and students from all types of schools, but given what I have seen on average, I would not touch the Carib or certain DO programs until failing to gain acceptance to everything else, and DOs on average do better than Carib in matching. The OP is considering a BS/MD linked to SGU, so by definition has not exhausted those routes.