Back up Schools bad idea??

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My pre-med advisor told me to apply to 15 schools and not to apply to any safetly schools. She said that schools well reject you because they'll know you're applying there as backup. Do people agree with this statement?
 
dude, your asking the same questions essentially in 2 different threads. stop convoluting the board
 
woops meant to reply but instead did a new thread.
 
no the first q was is it bad to add schools later than others. the 2nd q was is it bad to have back ups at all.
 
The problem is defining a 'safety' school. Med school admissions has so many different factors that to say "These schools are realistic for me" and "these schools would be easy for me to get into" is hard to say.

I think you need to look at an MSAR and find schools that have similar or slightly lower numbers than yours. Your GPA is a little low for some of the schools you applied to so they would become reaches. Then you need a few schools that have averages slightly lower than yours - those are your 'realistic schools.' But your advisor is right that you shouldn't apply to schools where your averages are WAY higher - they probably will dismiss your application.
 
Are you trying to save money here or do you want to go to med school? There are no guarantees and unless you have a 4.0 37 and you are applying to one of the so called "bottom tier" schools (which none really exist) your advisor is on drugs.
 
i'm just want to get in somewhere. i think my advisor could be a little outdated, but she seems have a lot of experience. i have a 3.7 gpa and 35 mcat, but b/c it has been increasingly competitive nowadays, top schools reject very qualified individuals with high stats. i dunno. i guess it comes down to other parts of your application as well. i think i need to stop seeking validation from other people on this site and just have confidence in myself. do my best and see what happens.
 
i'd apply to a backup. I think what your advisor says could have some truth to it depending on your situtation. For example, if you have a 4.0 40mcat and you're applying to a bottom tier school, then yes, they might not bother giving your app serious consideration. Backup doesn't necessarily mean lowest tier so to speak, it just means lower than YOUR stats.
 
i think i need to stop seeking validation from other people on this site and just have confidence in myself. do my best and see what happens.

I think once we achieve this, we become unstoppable.
 
here's my logic:
Premises:
1) "Back up school" is all relative.
2) Averages you see on USNWR are AVERAGES. people get accepted within ranges
3) GPA and MCAT aren't everything. recs, PS, secondary essays can make you or break you
4) Schools will probably reject you if you don't really want to go there.

Conclusion: Apply where you really wanna go (if you meet their average stats) and leave it to God or fate or quantum mechanics or whatever you believe in. Just RELAX.
 
There is no such thing as a back-up school. All medical schools are difficult to get into and even with outstanding numbers you are never a sure thing for any school. When med school admissions committees are figuring out who to interview, most schools use a points system (say, 1-100). MCAT and GPA typically only make up about half of the points for this process, meaning that if you don't have outstanding rec letters, a strong and original personal statement, good secondary essays, and relevant and meaningful extracurricular activities you really aren't going to have a shot anywhere regardless of what your MCAT and GPA are. Remember, every year there are applicants with 3.8's and 36's on the MCAT that DON'T get into any med school because they don't have the extracurricular experiences, strong letters/essays, etc etc...to back up those numbers. Along the same lines, every year there are people that have below average numbers that get into "competitive" schools like UCSF, Johns Hopkins, etc etc.

Apply to schools that you WOULD GO TO if accepted. If you know that you would hate living in Boston, don't apply to BU. If you don't want a competitive med school atmosphere, apply to schools that grade P/F. If you aren't interested in research, don't apply to a school that emphasize research (some schools actually require research projects...essentially treat you like a PhD student).
 
thanks dr. bear. very insightful. i think a lot of people are overly concerned (including myself) about their stats and forget that they have a lot more to offer to the medical school through their experiences.
 
My pre-med advisor told me to apply to 15 schools and not to apply to any safetly schools. She said that schools well reject you because they'll know you're applying there as backup. Do people agree with this statement?

Do you have a state school? If so, apply there, as common sense would dictate that even a highly credentialed person might still attend due to lower tuition, and hence the school won't necessarilly conclude they are a backup. But you still may not get in there -- Truth of the matter is you are going to get rejected by places you thought you were competitive at, because numbers are not the whole equation, and some places may see you as not a good fit. So the best advice is to apply to a range -- some at the top of the rankings lists, most in the middle, and a few lower down. 15 schools is probably fine if they are the right 15, but not if they are the top 15 in the research ranking. And apply only places you might actually be interested in going.
 
i think if someone is getting interviews from hopkins and harvard etc, they dont need a back up school (unless they are really really bad interviewers)--- since they will have 15 or so top schools invite them for interviews. actually, ive heard back up schools tend to DECLINE students that are too strong. im not sure if you're too strong. im just saying your advisor is not an idiot for seeing this pattern before.
 
law2doc, my advisor thinks i'm fairly strong apparently. i have a 3.7/35 MCAT with excellent letters of recs, volunteering and research. I am a CA resident and am applying to the UC's (i thought that made me fairly safe to apply to the mostly top schools), but then again the UC's are uber-competitive too.
 
law2doc, my advisor thinks i'm fairly strong apparently. i have a 3.7/35 MCAT with excellent letters of recs, volunteering and research. I am a CA resident and am applying to the UC's (i thought that made me fairly safe to apply to the mostly top schools), but then again the UC's are uber-competitive too.

Look up the schools you are applying to in an MSAR - your numbers are slightly lower than their averages (even most of the UCs) - thats bad.
 
law2doc, my advisor thinks i'm fairly strong apparently. i have a 3.7/35 MCAT with excellent letters of recs, volunteering and research. I am a CA resident and am applying to the UC's (i thought that made me fairly safe to apply to the mostly top schools), but then again the UC's are uber-competitive too.

I would still be inclined to have a decent number of applications outside of the top 20 (per US News research ranking), and would not consider those to be sure thing safeties. Your numbers are solid, but there have been recent examples of folks on SDN with very solid numbers who failed to get in due to poor school selection and not applying broadly.
 
law2doc, my advisor thinks i'm fairly strong apparently. i have a 3.7/35 MCAT with excellent letters of recs, volunteering and research. I am a CA resident and am applying to the UC's (i thought that made me fairly safe to apply to the mostly top schools), but then again the UC's are uber-competitive too.

If I can be frank: You are a strong candidate but from what you have said, not a superstar who is assured of getting in at an elite school, if there even is such a person. I am on an AdCom at a top 10 school and your numbers don't blow me away -- they are good, but average/low average for many top schools. Also, most applicants to really good schools have great LORs as well research and volunteer experience. (Of course you may have done something really extraordinary -- I'm not trying to minimize your accomplishments.) I am not saying this to be mean -- I think it would be meaner to let you go through the time and expense of applying to a relatively high number of very tough schools without an adequate number of safe choices.

Chances are good that you will get into a great school, but the thing about med school admissions is that they can be wildly inconsistent and unpredictable. While you are a solid candidate on paper, you are competing against many other well-qualified people. You also cannot predict how you will do on interviews -- or how your interviewers will perceive you. There are so many uncertainties in the process, it is good to have some safer bets in the mix. Good luck!
 
Look up the schools you are applying to in an MSAR - your numbers are slightly lower than their averages (even most of the UCs) - thats bad.

That doesnt matter. My stats are slightly lower than the uc's as well and yet i have received 2 interview invites from those same uc's. OP dont listen to these nay-sayers go for the uc's!
 
That doesnt matter. My stats are slightly lower than the uc's as well and yet i have received 2 interview invites from those same uc's. OP dont listen to these nay-sayers go for the uc's!

I am not sure if my post is one of the ones to which you are referring or not, but I in no way meant that the poster should apply only to lesser schools. I was saying that applying to only very competitive schools may be a mistake. Even with multiple interviews, one can come up with no acceptances, sadly. There is a difference between being a nay-sayer and realizing how hard it is to get into some schools.
 
Most applicants are not so well qualified that they stand so far beyond a school's average numbers that they are a blatant safety. As such, there's really no "sure thing" for most of us. There's only "better chance" schools. I think if you can provide a coherent reason why you might want to attend the supposed backup school, they'll still offer you an interview provided you're not putting their averages to shame.
 
As long as you give good answers for why you want to go there if you're asked on the secondary, and show a genuine interest in the school when you interview, then I doubt they'll hold your high stats against you. I would guess that the people with super high stats who get rejected from their safety schools get rejected because they go into the interview with a negative attitude about the school + a little arrogance, and their interviewers pick up on this quickly. As for pre-interview rejections to safety schools, you're answer to the "why here" question (if asked) is probably VERY important. It makes sense that schools don't want to waste interview spots on students they know will never matriculate.
 
My pre-med advisor told me to apply to 15 schools and not to apply to any safetly schools. She said that schools well reject you because they'll know you're applying there as backup. Do people agree with this statement?

Pre-med advisors don't know everything. Not applying to safety schools is a dumb move. Anybody else on the planet will tell you that.

If you have amazing stats, you're applying to all top ten schools and you also put something like Morehouse on there, then yes... you may not get an interview from Morehouse because they don't want to waste their time on you.
 
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