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So I literally spent a full day reading all the comments about Barry University's Master's in Biomedical Sciences. Is there anyone that recently went through the program and then went on to dental/medical schools. Everything I have read has not been recent stuff and it was a 50/50 mixture between good or bad. HELP

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Yes, a lot of people get accepted to dental schools. I don't know the exact numbers since this is my first semester here but I hear that quite a bit of students get accepted to dental school. As for med schools, I only know of two acceptances (Michigan and Harvard), but keep in mind the medical track people are more knowledgeable about this than I am.
 
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Yes, a lot of people get accepted to dental schools. I don't know the exact numbers since this is my first semester here but I hear that quite a bit of students get accepted to dental school. As for med schools, I only know of two acceptances (Michigan and Harvard), but keep in mind the medical track people are more knowledgeable about this than I am.

Do you mind sharing your experience so far? pros and cons? I was accepted to the program, but I'm still unsure about whether I want to attend or not. Thanks!
 
Do you mind sharing your experience so far? pros and cons? I was accepted to the program, but I'm still unsure about whether I want to attend or not. Thanks!

Pros so far include the fact that the program does see quite a bit of acceptances. Since I'm in the dental track, I hear about a lot of dental interviews/acceptances...not sure about the med track. Profs are friendly and open to writing letters; classes are tough but I view this as a pro because it will prepare you well for professional schools. As long as you put in the work, time, and effort, you should be ok.

A HUGE CON is how expensive the program is. When it's all said and done, you have to include the price of tuition (roughly $36k) plus the cost of housing in South Florida, which is higher than a lot of other places.

Hope that helps...
 
Pros so far include the fact that the program does see quite a bit of acceptances. Since I'm in the dental track, I hear about a lot of dental interviews/acceptances...not sure about the med track. Profs are friendly and open to writing letters; classes are tough but I view this as a pro because it will prepare you well for professional schools. As long as you put in the work, time, and effort, you should be ok.

A HUGE CON is how expensive the program is. When it's all said and done, you have to include the price of tuition (roughly $36k) plus the cost of housing in South Florida, which is higher than a lot of other places.

Hope that helps...


I've been interested in this program for quite some time now, I actually applied for the fall term 2014 dental track, I'm soooo scared to be leaving waayy from Birmingham, AL but from what I've heard so far.... it's worth it! What good Areas do you recommend for living there? are any FULLY FURNISHED?? I would get a roommate but I have a pet and then again my mom said she'd keep him lol he's my comfort!
 
Yes, a lot of people get accepted to dental schools. I don't know the exact numbers since this is my first semester here but I hear that quite a bit of students get accepted to dental school. As for med schools, I only know of two acceptances (Michigan and Harvard), but keep in mind the medical track people are more knowledgeable about this than I am.
Seems unlikely IMO

Its very very rare that someone goes from an SMP (as they are designed for low GPA) to a top-10 medical school..... especially a low reputation SMP at that. (and Mich is a very good medical school too, so i doubt that one as well).

Don't you think it sounds fishy that a 3.1 cGPA ends up at a medical school where everyone has 37 MCATs and cGPAs above 3.9, but did one year at Barry? I do
 
I would assume that people going from Barry to Michigan or Harvard are going there to do more GPA improvement. Such as Harvard Extension. Because Barry doesn't get the job done.

Or they had competitive stats before they did the Barry program.

After 8 years on SDN, I'm still waiting to see a US MD success story from a low GPA premed who does the Barry program. If you're premed and looking at Barry, ask the program admins to connect you to alumni who had your GPA and are now in med school.
 
Seems unlikely IMO

Its very very rare that someone goes from an SMP (as they are designed for low GPA) to a top-10 medical school..... especially a low reputation SMP at that. (and Mich is a very good medical school too, so i doubt that one as well).

Don't you think it sounds fishy that a 3.1 cGPA ends up at a medical school where everyone has 37 MCATs and cGPAs above 3.9, but did one year at Barry? I do

"Seems" unlikely, but it's happening. These are the only 2 med school acceptances I know of for sure but again, I'm in the dental track. They are both entering med school, not any GPA improvement program like DrMidlife is suggesting...
 
Seems unlikely IMO

Its very very rare that someone goes from an SMP (as they are designed for low GPA) to a top-10 medical school..... especially a low reputation SMP at that. (and Mich is a very good medical school too, so i doubt that one as well).

Don't you think it sounds fishy that a 3.1 cGPA ends up at a medical school where everyone has 37 MCATs and cGPAs above 3.9, but did one year at Barry? I do

Why is barry so bad?
 
I would assume that people going from Barry to Michigan or Harvard are going there to do more GPA improvement. Such as Harvard Extension. Because Barry doesn't get the job done.

Or they had competitive stats before they did the Barry program.

After 8 years on SDN, I'm still waiting to see a US MD success story from a low GPA premed who does the Barry program. If you're premed and looking at Barry, ask the program admins to connect you to alumni who had your GPA and are now in med school.

Why is barry so bad? Have you seen a success story for dental?
 
I would assume that people going from Barry to Michigan or Harvard are going there to do more GPA improvement. Such as Harvard Extension. Because Barry doesn't get the job done.

Or they had competitive stats before they did the Barry program.

After 8 years on SDN, I'm still waiting to see a US MD success story from a low GPA premed who does the Barry program. If you're premed and looking at Barry, ask the program admins to connect you to alumni who had your GPA and are now in med school.

Barry is not as bad as Dr.Midlife suggests, although his reservations are warranted.

I have heard of the person who got into Medical School at the University of Michigan this past cycle. Barry was just one of many steps this person took to successfully matriculate. He/she retook most of their undergraduate science courses and performed really well, then performed very very well on the MCAT (upper 30s). Barry was probably a good supplement in their application, showing that they could handle medical sciences.

There are several other "success stories" that I have heard of personally. This includes matriculation into MD schools (Duke, University of Florida, USF, FIU, FAU, UM, Drexel) and DO schools (Touro, DMU, Nova, Lecom). These are just the schools that I can remember off the top of my head but there are more. I do not know about Dental schools.

I have also talked to someone recently who said "several of his classmates got into Nova's DO program this past cycle." Another person I talked to attends an MD school that did Barry's SMP program as well.

As far as the curriculum is concerned they offer 1 year, 18 mo. and 2 year tracks. Their courses are all solid "medical school like" courses. They include Gross Anatomy (non cadaver), histology, Biochem, Human physio, Neroanatomy. Most people do the 18 mo. track because it allows you to dive into the material and learn it thoroughly without just studying from test to test. Either way, these courses seem like a legitimate way to prepare you for the material in medical school.

The professors all seem very nice and welcoming. They have previously taught at various medical and dental schools. From my understanding the staff is well versed in preparing students for medical school. As someone who has recently done much research on the school including talking to current students, faculty and visiting, I believe Barry offers everything necessary to prepare a student for successful matriculation.

However, as I said, Dr. Midlife's reservations are warranted and important to understand.

First off, Barry is a very expensive program (35k). For most people that is a lot of debt to accrue for a program that isn't directly linked to a medical school. This alone should be a serious deterrent. Even if you perform very well in their program and work hard to get the best grades you need, there is no guarantee of an interview or a spot anywhere. You are placed in the general applicant pool along with everybody else and your undergrad GPA still might be the reason you don't even receive an interview anyway. Also, Barry is not well established as some of the other SMP programs and doesn't really carry much weight associated with it in your application.

I think you really have to look at your application dispassionately and determine the areas you need to improve before you make such a commitment. It would be MUCH cheaper to retake a few courses you got Cs in / take a few more upper level science courses and/or retake the MCAT.

Secondly, the program and its curriculum is undergoing changes. From what I was told, Barry's Dean has recently moved on to another position and they are searching for a new one. Who they choose will be a huge factor in the direction and success of their program. They are also thinking about changing some of the curriculum around.

Overall, I believe it is a decent program and has potential. I think it will prepare you for the material you will see in medical school. I also think it could potentially show an adcom you can do the work. However, I think it is a good supplement to an already promising application. Barry's SMP program will offer you the greatest success at matriculating if you have a good MCAT score (30s+) along with an increasing GPA trend in undergraduate science coursework. Whether, it "gets you in" or not I'm not sure, that probably varies on a case by case basis.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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"Seems" unlikely, but it's happening. These are the only 2 med school acceptances I know of for sure but again, I'm in the dental track. They are both entering med school, not any GPA improvement program like DrMidlife is suggesting...
I just don't believe it.

I don't believe SMP students get to Harvard that often, and absolutely don't believe they went to Barry.
 
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I just don't believe it.

I don't believe SMP students get to Harvard that often, and absolutely don't believe they went to Barry.

To both, Midlife and Rob:

How would you compare a program such as Barry, to other programs? Obviously, I know the on surface details. I was looking more so as to which should be favorable?
 
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What is so wrong with barry in your opinion?
There's nothing inherently wrong with Barry, but there are two issues here.

The first, Barry University has little prestige, so medical schools seeing you doing a post-bac here doesn't make for a "wow" factor. That makes it unlikely to help you get into top-tier medical schools that require no mistakes from the beginning. Perhaps the people already cured cancer prior to attending Barry's SMP, because that's the only way it would make sense.

The other issue is, no one who posts in this forum section went to a prestigious medical school (as in Harvard level), so there's a bit of animosity towards the possibility of others succeeding where they have failed. Imagine you did a post-bac and went to your state med school. Someone does a different post-bac and gets into Harvard or Mayo. You're going to call BS no matter how true it is.
 
There's nothing inherently wrong with Barry, but there are two issues here.

The first, Barry University has little prestige, so medical schools seeing you doing a post-bac here doesn't make for a "wow" factor. That makes it unlikely to help you get into top-tier medical schools that require no mistakes from the beginning. Perhaps the people already cured cancer prior to attending Barry's SMP, because that's the only way it would make sense.

The other issue is, no one who posts in this forum section went to a prestigious medical school (as in Harvard level), so there's a bit of animosity towards the possibility of others succeeding where they have failed. Imagine you did a post-bac and went to your state med school. Someone does a different post-bac and gets into Harvard or Mayo. You're going to call BS no matter how true it is.


oh ok, would you say the same for dental school? Also what if your goal is just to get admitted to a dental school does not have to be a top tier school, would you then attend barry?
 
oh ok, would you say the same for dental school? Also what if your goal is just to get admitted to a dental school does not have to be a top tier school, would you then attend barry?
DrMidLife's recommendation is sound, IMO: ask for information for previous success stories with someone with your background that the program helped. I can't speak for Dr.MidLife, but I think his opinion is the program doesn't really help, and the people already had the stats for dental/medical school before attending.

I cannot say either way. I have no experience with Barry's program, and without any knowledge, I'm not going to praise or condemn it.
 
To both, Midlife and Rob:

How would you compare a program such as Barry, to BU MAMS? Obviously, I know the on surface details. I was looking more so as to which should be favorable? I'd assume BU but itd be nice to hear someone with more experience in the field. Thanks
BU MAMS is way better - you take classes with medical and dental students.

Any program where you do not take classes with them should be avoided if you are on the road to recovery
What is so wrong with barry in your opinion?
See above...... "fake" SMPs are just out to take your money, have very little in meaningful stats, and are not associated directly with medical/dental schools. If you aren't in the same building as members of an ADCOM, then how can you expect to impress them or improve you can hang with medical students?
If you are at Barry, you are proving you are a top student of a group of non-medical students... how does that translate to medical school? Who knows cos there are no medical students there. You rock an anatomy class with the med students and finish in the top half - you prove you can hang with this peer group. Same applies for dentistry
There's nothing inherently wrong with Barry, but there are two issues here.

The first, Barry University has little prestige, so medical schools seeing you doing a post-bac here doesn't make for a "wow" factor. That makes it unlikely to help you get into top-tier medical schools that require no mistakes from the beginning. Perhaps the people already cured cancer prior to attending Barry's SMP, because that's the only way it would make sense.

The other issue is, no one who posts in this forum section went to a prestigious medical school (as in Harvard level), so there's a bit of animosity towards the possibility of others succeeding where they have failed. Imagine you did a post-bac and went to your state med school. Someone does a different post-bac and gets into Harvard or Mayo. You're going to call BS no matter how true it is.
I was with you until the last part. People rarely go to state schools and feel animosity to those that went to Harvard. I went to my state school cos tuition was cheaper, and my family lived locally. I could have gone to a "bigger name" school (and was indeed accepted to two or three arguably more reputable) but chose not to.

I call BS because I do not believe that someone who went to a "fake" SMP got into a top notch medical school. I just don't. If you were at BU MAMS as a previous poster referenced, then I think its more plausible. You could have rocked your SMP, proven you were better than all the BU med students, destroy the MCAT, did research in a Harvard research lab, had some pull from your PI and then gotten in.

Hows that working living in Northern Miami, not proving you can do med school classes, and with seemingly no connection to Harvard? Its not. I cannot make a series of events to get that person in to Harvard.

I'm done defending my position on this. I've expressed my opinion, Midlife has expressed hers. You lot can make your own decisions on where to go and what path to chose. I would caution you to never take the easiest road, or the school with the easiest admissions. Most of you are on the road to recovery and need to prove you can handle the tough stuff. Barry isn't proving that.
 
Does anybody have an opinion on barry university's smp in comparison to USF's?
 
Does anybody have an opinion on barry university's smp in comparison to USF's?
Problem #1 here is that you're asking in this thread that clearly explains "SMP" is way too strong a word for Barry's program, unless "S" stands for short.
 
Presumably you're asking about USF and Barry because you have a low undergrad GPA.

You can't counter a low undergrad GPA with regular grad work. There's no comparison, and med schools need to be able to compare you to the other 45,000 applicants. Sometimes you can get med schools to consider a strong record in a medical masters program, where you do most of the first year of med school as an audition for med school.

If you want that consideration, then you should be looking at programs hosted at med schools.
 
Actually my undergrad cgpa and sgpa are both 3.8, its my mcat that is on the lower end, at 28, and I was thinking a master's degree will add something else to the table in regards to my app
 
Actually my undergrad cgpa and sgpa are both 3.8, its my mcat that is on the lower end, at 28, and I was thinking a master's degree will add something else to the table in regards to my app
Oh no.

Option 1: spend $40k on a one year masters program that gives you an opportunity to demonstrate your classroom endurance, which you've already demonstrated with that 3.8, and then do poorly in med school apps because of your 28. Be depressed.

Option 2: spend about $3k on rigorous MCAT prep, and do it rigorously. Also spend about $100 on Examkrackers 1001 books and work every single problem. Go after a good MCAT score like your career depends on it. Because it does.

Unless you want to go DO, you can't use grad work to make up for a bad MCAT. The only way to make up for a bad MCAT is to get a good MCAT. If you go to med or dental school you'll spend the rest of your life taking hours-long standardized exams that test multiple years of complex material, so you just have to beat the MCAT. Med schools use the MCAT to see if you can handle those hours-long standardized exams. And one of those hours-long standardized exams is going to determine which specialties you can go after...and can't go after.

Clearly today's postbac forum theme is: MCAT MCAT MCAT MCAT MCAT MCAT MCAT MCAT.
 
Actually my undergrad cgpa and sgpa are both 3.8, its my mcat that is on the lower end, at 28, and I was thinking a master's degree will add something else to the table in regards to my app
Midlife and I have said hundreds of times... an SMP (or a masters in thie case) does not repair an MCAT.

Only MCAT fixes MCAT
 
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