Bay area peds residencies?

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Hi friends,

Thinking about a bay area peds program - I know UCSF and Stanford, but what are some others? And what are people's thoughts about these programs?

Thanks!

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ive heard nothing but praise for children's oakland.
 
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Children's Hospital Oakland is great (http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/). I'm a pre-med working in the surgical department (OR and clinic), not a resident, so that obviously affects my opinion; however, the residents here seem very content and the attendings are very patient and teaching oriented. If you want state-of-the-art equipment and research opportunities, we're not so good for that - 70% of patients are Medi-Cal so there isn't tons of money to be throwing around; that being said, we do have Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute, which is 5th in the nation for NIH pediatric research funding (http://www.chori.org/) and does both clinical and basic research.

PM me if you have any questions or you decide to go here. I would love to hear from you.
 
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I echo what people have said about CH Oakland. I visited there 4yrs ago when I was applying and if I didn't want to come to NYC, it would've been #1 on my rank list (I even liked it better than UCSF). I also visited the other Oakland program.

Having said that, I'm very happy that NYU was my #1 instead. 🙂

Good luck.
 
Oakland Children's Hospital has a big reputation in California. For one, the doctors, nurses, and staff here are phenomenal. Sick kids from all over the bay area get referred here every year, including a lot of low-income families. What's great about this hospital is that it is tied to Oakland Children's Research Center (literally 2 blocks away) which has decent funding from NIH. From my volunteering experience at Oakland Children's I met a couple of residents and med students rotating through here and they all agreed that the atmosphere was very welcoming and the training program very rewarding. The only downside is that it is very very hard to get into Oakland Children's.
 
Oakland Children's Hospital has a big reputation in California. For one, the doctors, nurses, and staff here are phenomenal. Sick kids from all over the bay area get referred here every year, including a lot of low-income families. What's great about this hospital is that it is tied to Oakland Children's Research Center (literally 2 blocks away) which has decent funding from NIH. From my volunteering experience at Oakland Children's I met a couple of residents and med students rotating through here and they all agreed that the atmosphere was very welcoming and the training program very rewarding. The only downside is that it is very very hard to get into Oakland Children's.

really? they grant interviews to anyone who does an away rotation...
 
I am currently a PYG2 at Kaiser Oakland, and can share a bit about our program.
Most of us at Kaiser feel that we work at one of the "best kept secrets in the Bay Area." Our program is smaller (now 8 residents per class with a new MD/MPH track, 6 in my class), very friendly, and definitely has a family feel to it. Kaiser Oakland is the tertiary center for Pediatrics for much of Northern California (and Kaiser covers a large percentage of the population in Northern CA), so we see a great mix of zebras and really sick kids, as well as general pediatrics. Our patient population is very diverse socioeconomically. We are a site for 3rd year UCSF students for their pediatric rotation, so we get to teach a lot when on service months and in clinic. Our clinic is one of the strengths of the program - it runs like a standard Kaiser clinic and is organized and well-staffed. We do 2 block of clinic each year, so you get great outpatient pediatrics exposure. Overall, teaching here is great. Our didactics are very good and going to teaching is a priority, even when on service months. For those interested in subspecializing, we have no fellows, so you get to work 1-on-1 with the subspecialists. Residents who have gone of to fellowship from recent classes have all done really well.

From a happiness/lifestyle perspective, I think we have things really good here. Kaiser pays well, gives us great benefits, and will fully fund residents to do extras like international electives, research and community projects. The MPH is fully funded for residents on that track. Our program went from a q4-5 call schedule to a day/night float system at the end of last year. The longest shift is 16-hours for everyone, interns and seniors, and the new schedule allows for more weekend days off since we do less cross-cover. We also have better continuity with the ward patients since we do our nights in blocks now. Those of us who worked on the old system really like the new model much better, and our current interns seem happy with it too. Our small size actually gives a lot of flexibility in terms of scheduling things like vacations and away electives. We have a fantastic PD who is very attentive to resident needs and consistently uses our feedback to change things for the better.

Overall, I have been very happy here and feel like I will be well-prepared for practice upon graduation. Residency is hard wherever you train, so I recommend picking the place where you feel you will be best supported. If you are interested in our program I recommend doing a sub-I with us to check it out. I am happy to answer questions, but am not on this site very much. Good luck!
 
I am currently a PYG2 at Kaiser Oakland, and can share a bit about our program.
Most of us at Kaiser feel that we work at one of the "best kept secrets in the Bay Area." Our program is smaller (now 8 residents per class with a new MD/MPH track, 6 in my class), very friendly, and definitely has a family feel to it. Kaiser Oakland is the tertiary center for Pediatrics for much of Northern California (and Kaiser covers a large percentage of the population in Northern CA), so we see a great mix of zebras and really sick kids, as well as general pediatrics. Our patient population is very diverse socioeconomically. We are a site for 3rd year UCSF students for their pediatric rotation, so we get to teach a lot when on service months and in clinic. Our clinic is one of the strengths of the program - it runs like a standard Kaiser clinic and is organized and well-staffed. We do 2 block of clinic each year, so you get great outpatient pediatrics exposure. Overall, teaching here is great. Our didactics are very good and going to teaching is a priority, even when on service months. For those interested in subspecializing, we have no fellows, so you get to work 1-on-1 with the subspecialists. Residents who have gone of to fellowship from recent classes have all done really well.

From a happiness/lifestyle perspective, I think we have things really good here. Kaiser pays well, gives us great benefits, and will fully fund residents to do extras like international electives, research and community projects. The MPH is fully funded for residents on that track. Our program went from a q4-5 call schedule to a day/night float system at the end of last year. The longest shift is 16-hours for everyone, interns and seniors, and the new schedule allows for more weekend days off since we do less cross-cover. We also have better continuity with the ward patients since we do our nights in blocks now. Those of us who worked on the old system really like the new model much better, and our current interns seem happy with it too. Our small size actually gives a lot of flexibility in terms of scheduling things like vacations and away electives. We have a fantastic PD who is very attentive to resident needs and consistently uses our feedback to change things for the better.

Overall, I have been very happy here and feel like I will be well-prepared for practice upon graduation. Residency is hard wherever you train, so I recommend picking the place where you feel you will be best supported. If you are interested in our program I recommend doing a sub-I with us to check it out. I am happy to answer questions, but am not on this site very much. Good luck!

thanks for the info! Have you had any experience with people leaving/transferring or taking sick leave or family leave or something happening where the residents left over need to pick up the lost position? Seems that with such few people in the program, if that situation did occur then the burden would hit everyone pretty hard (and this is a common complaint/concern Ive heard about smaller programs). If you did experience anything like this, how was it handled? Thanks again!
 
Does it ever bother you guys who are at Kaiser or Children's Oakland that Oakland is kind of a sketchy city? I'm personally looking at the Bay Area myself but looking more towards the Peninsula (UCSF, Stanford). How do the programs compare in terms of competitiveness?
 
Re: people taking leave, etc. We have a couple of people taking maternity leave this year, and it is not having a big impact on others/the schedule really at all, except for people voluntarily swapping blocks with each other to have easier stuff around the birth. A couple of people have had to take personal leave at other times and generally it was not a big deal. They moved someone over from an easy elective to cover, and basically they got that time back later. Our sick call is closely tracked and people pay back shifts later if needed. I cannot speak to anyone quitting, since that has not happened since I have been here.

As for the city of Oakland, personally, I am not bothered by it. I routinely take public transit + the Kaiser shuttles to work and have not felt unsafe. A number of our residents live right near Kaiser and CHO, and it is fine if you live in Temescal or Rockridge. There are some parts of Oakland that are very, very nice, and others that are not-so-nice. You use common sense about places you would not go, especially at night. All of that said, I have spent most of my life in urban areas. I think you have to come and check it out and figure out what your comfort level is.

I think all of the Bay Area peds programs are desirable and therefore competitive due to location and many people wanting to be in CA. I interviewed at all of them, and they each have their own culture and feel, so you have to find which one fits you. Not sure how it all pans out in terms of competitiveness, but would assume UCSF and Stanford are likely harder to get an invite too than the Oakland programs.
 
Does it ever bother you guys who are at Kaiser or Children's Oakland that Oakland is kind of a sketchy city?

Children's is on the edge of the good and bad side of Oakland. As long as you live on the Berkeley side of the city "sketchiness" isn't really an issue. I bicycle from UC Berkeley to Children's and have never felt threatened. The area around Children's seems more like Berkeley (kids playing on the sidewalk, employees walking home from the hospital...) than the ghettos on the other side that Oakland seems to be famous for. There are some homeless people, but not many, and they won't bother you if you leave them alone.

I've never been to Kaiser Oakland, so can't say anything about its location...
 
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