Beaumont vs. Henry Ford vs. Other Michigan Programs

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Been awhile since I've been on SDN, nice to see things still rolling strong.

Well, I finally made it through med school and I have to turn in my match list. I have decided that I am going to stay in Eastern Michigan, and I applied to MSU, U of M, and all of the Detroit programs.

I think I have narrowed down my #1 to either Beaumont or Henry Ford, but I am so torn and confused. I really need to get some opinions about these programs to help me decide on my rank order.

I would appreciate any input, on these programs in particular, or any of the other programs in Detroit, MSU, or U of M.

Does one or another have a better reputation? Does anyone have an opinion or experience to share that may help me out?

I know these programs are fairly popular and competitive, so I imagine there must be others facing similar dilemmas.

I appreciate any input you can give. Thanks!
 
Well, I finally made it through med school and I have to turn in my match list. I have decided that I am going to stay in Eastern Michigan, and I applied to MSU, U of M, and all of the Detroit programs.

I think I have narrowed down my #1 to either Beaumont or Henry Ford, but I am so torn and confused. I really need to get some opinions about these programs to help me decide on my rank order.

I would appreciate any input, on these programs in particular, or any of the other programs in Detroit, MSU, or U of M.

Does one or another have a better reputation? Does anyone have an opinion or experience to share that may help me out?

I know these programs are fairly popular and competitive, so I imagine there must be others facing similar dilemmas.

I appreciate any input you can give. Thanks!


I heard Henry Ford is the most terriblest program and you shouldn't go there.
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I'm from the area. HF, UM, Club Beau are each very good programs as is Detroit Receiving and others. They all have things that make them "unique" and you have to decide what is important to you as well as how you felt you fit on interview day. Here's my opinion of what makes each unique.

UofM: 4 year, more ICU time, great flight program, strong off service, cool place to live, great PD, 3 sites for rotations (urban, community, academic). Peds is in-house.

Det Receiving: 3 year, historically well known with some great faculty, residents are very hands on and independent, more academic than Sinai Grace but less so than Henry Ford, Adult only ED with Peds at Childrens... Great ED model (5 modules, open, 3 huge and connected ressus bays).

Henry Ford: 3 year, very Academic, Lot's of in the ED ICU care, Aggressive treatment style, Great PD/faculty, Unique ED setup with high acuity area (cat 1) and medium acuity (cat 2) and low acuity/peds (cat 3/4). And you can't get through HF without someone wanting you to mention Manny Rivers, so there it is. Good reputation. Peds is not in-house here so you have to go to Childrens at the DMC (not far -- maybe 5 minutes) and you also have to do a month of inpatient peds to make up for a lower amount of ped's visits in the ED (since childrens is so close)

Sinai Grace: Crazy amount of Trauma, Amazingly cool and young PD/faculty that are easy to identify/bond with. From my interview day and time spent there, I seem to feel as though they have fewer consultants immediately available which can be a plus since most of us will end up working without as many that are available at UM, HF, DRH. No peds in-house, but they still get quite a bit in the ED obviously since they are a lot further from Childrens than HF is and then they just get transferred when you are done.

St. John: 3 year. Good mix of Suburban/Urban, New ED, Has a new PD this year who seems very enthusiastic. Peds is inhouse so you get it all year long with every shift as well as see penetrating trauma. Residents get free lunch everyday and free food/drinks in the caf.

Club Beau: (That's what Wayne Staters call Beaumont because the hospital is so shiny and pretty). 3 year program. Again, a good mix of Suburban/Urban, Good offservice rotations, nice ED, Nice benefits, cool city to live in and work in that is also very safe. Sees most of their penetrating trauma by spending a month at DRH (receiving). Peds is in-house here.

Synergy (Saginaw): just a shout out to this program. I think it's a hidden jewel and seems to have amazing faculty and teaching.



So that's what I know/think... there are other reviews of some of these programs on here if you do a quick search. I think you should focus a LOT less on reputation because they are all good training programs and go with what feels right to you otherwise you will spend the next 3-4 years unhappy.

When you look at your ROL as it stands, imagine your self on Match day opening your envelope. Which are you secretly hoping to see on that paper?
 
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I heard that term "club beau" on several of my interviews. What is that all about? Is it "more competitive?" Also, what have you heard negative about HFHS and are there any "reputation/name" issues relevant to any of these programs that may influence my decision?

Also, thanks for the info and I would appreciate more.

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"When you look at your ROL as it stands, imagine your self on Match day opening your envelope. Which are you secretly hoping to see on that paper? "

This is the tough question because, put on a "scale" WB and HFHS are equal weight for different reasons, so I need something to tilt the balance and decide.

Also. there anyone that can comment more on these programs?
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I heard that term "club beau" on several of my interviews. What is that all about? Is it "more competitive?" Also, what have you heard negative about HFHS and are there any "reputation/name" issues relevant to any of these programs that may influence my decision?

Also, thanks for the info and I would appreciate more.

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"When you look at your ROL as it stands, imagine your self on Match day opening your envelope. Which are you secretly hoping to see on that paper? "

This is the tough question because, put on a "scale" WB and HFHS are equal weight for different reasons, so I need something to tilt the balance and decide.

Also. there anyone that can comment more on these programs?
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We say "Club Beau" because the hospital is so pretty, nothing wrong with it at all 🙂

And I was totally joking when I said HF was terrible -- sorry, thought that was clear. The only neg in my POV is the ped's situation, but I think that is not the end of the world. You also have more floor months there than other programs and some people see that as a negative.

Maybe if they are equal on a scale you have created, you should just think about which program makes you excited? If they both make you equally excited, then I don't know 🙂
 
Thanks for the input, please keep it coming.
 
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I nned to recognize my hard work by choosig the "best" one, but I don't knw waht that is, and I don't want to wast all the gruelling work I put in to become competitive by not utilizing it as an assett.

Ummm... Seriously? I think you missed the point.

I personally feel the only one that might be a little bit weaker is St. John but that really isn't even based on anything so I feel bad for saying it. The rest are all amazing and their residents all seem very happy. I don't know what to tell you. I listed differences between the programs and I imagine you can combine that with what you saw on interview day. I can tell you that each program has some number of residents who "worked their arses off" to get stellar scores and would never say "I chose this program because I didn't want to waste my hard work -- I'm better than everyone else".

The best program for me is not the best program for you -- and let me tell you, I also had a hard time deciding and I question it every day.
 
Synergy (Saginaw): just a shout out to this program. I think it's a hidden jewel and seems to have amazing faculty and teaching.

Synergy is truly a hidden gem. I rotated here as a 3rd year and as a 4th year and i absolutely loved it! I'd be applying for surgery if not for the early exposure in 3rd year. I think Saginaw as a town gives the program a bad rep but Saginaw has lots of crimes which means great training in EM.
Overall the program has attendings that love to teach and residents who are wayyy too enthusiastics to be in saginaw in the winter. It feels like a big family during conference day. Of course, Mary Jo Wagner, CORD Director and PEER VII editor, is an awesome PD who takes good care of her residents. Staffing is superb. Graduates from the program have no problems with getting jobs whether in academic or community setting. I think u gotta consider synergy when talking about EM in East Michigan.

To differentiate between WB vs. HF vs. DRH vs. SJ, I went with my gut instinct (literally and figuratively) since all the programs are well established. How I get along with the residents/staff/attendings is more important to me than rep or ICU time or procedures because I'll get that anywhere. But If you don't get along with the people you work with for the next 3 or 4 years, then life will be miserable no matter how high the rep is.
U of M never gave me an invite.
 
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