Being "out"

[HeartOfLeonidas]

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atleastten

 

[HeartOfLeonidas]

atleastten

 

[amalgamgrillz]

There is a stastical significance in blue collar workers and lower intelligence/ poor decision making capablity and that is a fact.

Kind of like the man I had fill up my oil tank this past week who complained of having to exercise due to heart problems while trudging through like 10 linear feet of snow carrying the oil hose (big fat red FLAMMABLE sign with big red flames on side of tank!) attached to his pump truck, all the while smoking like a smokestack on his cheap cigars.

...nope, not going to be scoring high on the IQ scale, if you get my drift.

This has absolutely no correlation with having pierced ears. Times have changed, gramps. Just because a dentist listens to rock and roll doesn't make them an evil person. Just because a dentist has earrings, doesn't mean their DMD/DDS is less valuable. There's a big difference between a professional dentist with an earring, and a dentist decked out in gothic S&M leather and piercings through their nose, eyes, ears, throat, cheeks, and hands.

 

[Seahawk]

Let's all be lawyers and wear sneakers and tank tops to court....

Let's wear mink coats to our jobs at PETA....

Let's all be dentists/doctors have tattoos and piercings?


There is a reason you never/rarely see any of the above.

 

[dantemac]

I know that at my internship the anesthesiologist that works with us on dental surgeries has all of his ears pierced, tattoos all over, wears a do-rag, and lets us operate to rock metal. This is the dude controlling your life and breathing while unconscious and he's one of the most intelligent people I know and work with.

I don't really care about tattoos or piercings, it wouldn't scare me away from a health professional.

 

[Maygyver]

Often people confuse "compassion" with promoting self-deceit and the deceit of others.

The truly compassionate person doesn't say "yes" when a big fat ugly NO is needed.

Especially an honest, ethical, veritable professional.

A pig with lipstick is still a pig. Just because it can be done doesn't mean its compassionate to encourage others to do it.

Yeah definitely. There should be no room for individuality in the professional workplace at all. Everyone with an earing or tattoo is by definition unprofessional and immature. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

 

[g0forkurself]

To exaggerate for the purpose of illustration (its a shame you are obviously not receptive to the more obvious aspects of common sense), if you aren't fake, then put the earing in now, in fact, make sure you look like this idiot before you go for the interview:

search "Cat man" on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7zyNnEeyM

...and see what happens.

Like I said, leave the freakshow in the jeans for the knuckleheads in the circus crew, union laborer types, McDonalds order takers, and truck drivers. Only world class Fools and Idiots do not understand how ironic it is that they want so bad to be something special and have society look UP to them and be something like a doctor yet they want to maintain the same lifestyle as Snoop Dogg or the local tatoo artist AND expect to maintain a reputation for being of higher character and someone of class and quality.

Its oil and water you idiots. Essentially yes, its mutually exclusive in the same way that the polar bonds in water reject the non polar covalent bonds in oil.

99.99% of normal, healthy, forward looking people go to the dentist to get their teeth worked on...not the local bartender and/or tatoo "artist".

I suppose there is a market for idiots, though, but it will definately be niche, as in on the same block as the strip clubs niche.

Good Luck clown.

Way to lower the bar! (and deceive yourself).

Oh how close minded of a person you are, ahahahaha. I guess in your world, there will never be any chance or advances to social equality. I'm not sure if you've been out recently but take a look around at the people around you and the focus of the very country that you live in (which is individualism and freedom of expression, since you haven't been clever enough to discover that yourself) and say again that piercings and tattoos make people stupid. Do yourself a favor and move out of the stone ages. You do know that you are judging people on such a subjective matter, right? It's the same thing as a person saying to another, "oh you're stupid because you listen to Madonna and not Elvis."

Oh and sorry but this lowly 21 year old with a degenerate brain has already gotten acceptances from 4 schools and 2 more interviews coming up. Sucks that the world doesn't revolve around your way of thought doesn't it? *rolls eyes*

 

[redchesus]

I'm gay and here are my two cents:

Keep it "traditionally professional" for interviews. Yes, it is bland... but it could be a good thing. You want to be able to articulate your own personality, rather than let your appearance make the first impression.

Don't listen to HeartOfLeonidas, he sounds immature and narrow-minded (and should just I say it... a boring individual?). Neither your earring nor your sexual orientation is indicative of how good of a dentist you'll become. I have a somewhat tacky tattoo 🙄 and I'd like to think I'm still a pretty legit student.

Don't think of it as deceit or not being true to yourself. It's adaptability. You wouldn't talk to your geriatric patients the same you would to you teenage patients, right? Same thing with interviews. Tailor your demeanor accordingly, and remain genuine about your professionalism.

I guarantee you every candidate is on their best behavior at interviews, but you get a break once you've been accepted. I think D-school would be pretty insufferable if everyone was actually the boring stiff they were at interviews, but I know that's not true. Heck, my student interviewer was way less "professional" than I was.

 

[Maygyver]

I'm gay and here are my two cents:

Keep it "traditionally professional" for interviews. Yes, it is bland... but it could be a good thing. You want to be able to articulate your own personality, rather than let your appearance make the first impression.

Don't listen to HeartOfLeonidas, he sounds immature and narrow-minded (and should just I say it... a boring individual?). Neither your earring nor your sexual orientation is indicative of how good of a dentist you'll become. I have a somewhat tacky tattoo 🙄 and I'd like to think I'm still a pretty legit student.

Don't think of it as deceit or not being true to yourself. It's adaptability. You wouldn't talk to your geriatric patients the same you would to you teenage patients, right? Same thing with interviews. Tailor your demeanor accordingly, and remain genuine about your professionalism.

I guarantee you every candidate is on their best behavior at interviews, but you get a break once you've been accepted. I think D-school would be pretty insufferable if everyone was actually the boring stiff they were at interviews, but I know that's not true. Heck, my student interviewer was way less "professional" than I was.

Man, they let you into UCSF with a tattoo!? What is the world coming to?

(PS: this is sarcasm; congrats)

 

[Dent001]

heartofleonidas isnt even in this application cycle, hasnt even taken the DAT, and still in his basic pre-reqs. I dont think anyone should be worried about this guy being in their class, i doubt someone like him would get accepted to a school. but then again, there are always people who slip through the cracks

 

[Docplaque]

+1
I agree just be yourself. If you're gay, you're gay🙂. What you do in private is no one's business. The reason for the interview is to allow students to express their interest in dentistry and gauge what type of person they are. For instance folks like HeartOfLeonidas, are why schools have interviews, in order to keep all the crazies out!!!

 

[redchesus]

Man, they let you into UCSF with a tattoo!? What is the world coming to?

(PS: this is sarcasm; congrats)

Contrary to what tattoo opponents will have you believe regarding tattoos and job interviews, you do not take off your long-sleeve shirt during the interview process

Though, if you have a face tattoo...

 

[Maygyver]

Contrary to what tattoo opponents will have you believe regarding tattoos and job interviews, you do not take off your long-sleeve shirt during the interview process

Though, if you have a face tattoo...

Ah, that's what I've been doing wrong. I thought you were supposed to cut the sleeves off of the long-sleeve to make it more airy.

 

[Impulse155]

Professional Engineer?

I'll bet you are as discriminating in your ability to coordinate the color of your pink tie with your nose ring as you are able to gather your facts.

And yes, arguing with 20 somethings is definately darn near impossible. So many of their brains' wiring is blown all to hell because of addictions to Xboxes, mind numbing hip hop, texting, and MTV. Its a great challenge to try and pick through the fog that is the typical 21st century post adolescent brain.

I recommend you try unraveling the mystery that is the 20 something 21st century brain in a couple of decades when your amygdala has settled down a bit and you can gather accurate data as well as formulate a decent, coherent argument.

All the Best. 🙂

First off ps3 beats xbox any day.
Second of all, since I listen to hip hop means that I cant become a dentist? In my opinion if you listen to underground hip hop the lyrics of the songs have far more deeper meaning than any other genre of music you can possibly play for me. Also that is just my opinion, all music is open to interpretation and hits people in different ways.
Sad thing is, I can almost guarentee you have a facebook, and you can text. And if not, I bet once you get into dental school assuming you do, you will get a facebook, and eventually you will learn how to text. As much as I personally hate facebook and texting, they have become a part of our culture.
I recommend you try unraveling the mystery that is the 20 something 21st century brain in a couple of decades when your amygdala has settled down a bit and you can gather accurate data as well as formulate a decent, coherent argument.
so from this your trying to state that we cant forumlate an argument since you are 10 years older than us. Does that mean that you cant formulate a decent argument against someone thats 40? And they cant against someone thats 50? etc etc?

Edit:

Actually Captain Kirk is pretty dang awesome. Personally, I am much more like Bones. "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a magician!"

And your not a doctor, your just a dentist.
Actually, your not a dentist, your just a predent.

 

[yappy]

One thing i've always wondered about is if some homosexual men (that have the voice) ever drop "the voice" or the extremely feminine modes of communication for a professional interview. I've had some friends that have aquired these habits when they came out... does this social behavior extend into an interview? or is it more of an aquired-permanent-accent?

 

[moodots914]

One thing i've always wondered about is if some homosexual men (that have the voice) ever drop "the voice" or the extremely feminine modes of communication for a professional interview. I've had some friends that have aquired these habits when they came out... does this social behavior extend into an interview? or is it more of an aquired-permanent-accent?

Well I would think if your friends drop the voice when meeting new people or in certain situations, I don't see why they wouldn't do so at an interview. As for myself, I can definitely say that my voice will sound different depending on who I'm talking to. It's just become almost an instinct to sound more masculine to strangers, while I sound more feminine with close friends, although my masculine voice isn't super convincing. hahah I suppose it's a way to avoid immediate judgement when meeting people.

 

[redchesus]

I've had some friends that have aquired these habits when they came out... does this social behavior extend into an interview? or is it more of an aquired-permanent-accent?

They probably acquired "the voice" and mannerisms as an affectation to try to fit in with mainstream gay culture or, equally likely, they finally became comfortable enough with themselves to stop giving a **** about what society deems as gender-appropriate. Who knows. It's different for different people. Personally, my voice never changed upon coming out and strangers are none the wiser.

And yes, some are really good at switching, like this guy.

 

[toothes]

i'm getting a tattoo.. on my face.

 

[toothbrite]

First off ps3 beats xbox any day.
Second of all, since I listen to hip hop means that I cant become a dentist? In my opinion if you listen to underground hip hop the lyrics of the songs have far more deeper meaning than any other genre of music you can possibly play for me. Also that is just my opinion, all music is open to interpretation and hits people in different ways.
Sad thing is, I can almost guarentee you have a facebook, and you can text. And if not, I bet once you get into dental school assuming you do, you will get a facebook, and eventually you will learn how to text. As much as I personally hate facebook and texting, they have become a part of our culture.
I recommend you try unraveling the mystery that is the 20 something 21st century brain in a couple of decades when your amygdala has settled down a bit and you can gather accurate data as well as formulate a decent, coherent argument.
so from this your trying to state that we cant forumlate an argument since you are 10 years older than us. Does that mean that you cant formulate a decent argument against someone thats 40? And they cant against someone thats 50? etc etc?

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And your not a doctor, your just a dentist.
Actually, your not a dentist, your just a predent.

Whoever wrote this really needs to consider what this profession is and what it is all about. If you go into ANY interview saying that a DENTIST IS NOT A DOCTOR I guarantee you will NOT get into that school. Dentists are doctors (hence Doctor of Dental Surgery).

 

[redchesus]

^ Lol yeah... they also probably should learn the difference between "your" and "you're"

 

[JBieber]

the kid is this thread.

 

[onlyahobo]

In response to the original post, I'd leave the earring at home just as most women are advised to leave theirs, jewelry can be distracting. As far as mentioning your sexuality I of course wouldn't randomly bring it up, but, for instance, if it was a struggle coming out where you grew up or if it has made you appreciate diversity more, etc. and they then ask you a question relating to diversity/life struggles (as they almost always do to "mix it up a bit") I think it would be great to mention it.

As for the possible troll, who are you to assume the intelligence of our blue collar workers? Are dentists and doctors really much more than craftsmen of living tissues? Our length of training is reflective of our potential to do harm, not others lack of potential to create something worthy of our respect. I've been very close with construction workers and auto mechanics whose diagnostic abilities and hand skills were amazing. They didn't choose their profession because they were idiots, they just didn't want to dedicate their lives to years of extra training and the stress that comes with being a doctor.

Do you know why we associate dentists with conservatism? I'm no expert but I have a hunch it's because the vast majority of the dentists we shadow/seek treatment from have a successful, established practice of their own and are typically 40+. Rich old people are generally conservative, dentists not necessarily so. I recommend Bob Dylan's, "The Times They Are A-Changin'," for you. I don't think it's too hip-hop, so you may be able to decipher the lyrics 😉.

 

[HeartOfLeonidas]

atleastten

 

[wantveneers]

Hey everyone, let's cool down. I'm nervous enough as it is to get into dental school, and SDN helps me to see what's going on. Crap like this just gets my heart racing even more, so let's harness our stresses to our scores, interviews, and apps.

Let's keep this as a pre-dental, informational forum, please.

 

[beatsdre]

 

[SoulPower]

Go ahead and keep getting your self deceiving psychobabble on...

And same to you sir.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Blah, blah, blah, *more nonsensical self-doubt inspired psychobabble*, blah blah...

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Every day that goes by in which you squandered your opportunity to learn the simple fact above is another day wasted...And the less likely you are to ever get it.

Fine by me. One more idiot to enslave themselves to the Lady Gaga inspired idiot lifestyle. More room at the top for me. So I guess I should actually be thanking all you idiots out there for not leaving me any room at the bottom.

Now, please continue your nonsensical psychobabble, as it has most definately been thoroughly conditioned into the essence of your psychology, you'll no doubt be feeling the urge to do so just as one feels the urge to go to the bathroom...or perhaps vomit after they've tried to put something distasteful into their bodies.

The crap you people spew is no less disposable and trite.

You can put butter and salt on it and cook it in the overn and even sprinkle some cheese on top and then site me down to dinner to eat it and tell me its not crap.

Trust me...it is still crap no matter how you present it. Crap In (e.g. MTV)...Crap out (e.g. the nonsensical contemporary moral imperative to lecture others on supposed ethics and morality when, in fact, the lecturer believes they and everyone else are nothing more than animals anyways...no more than another organism to squash like a housefly).

The irony is always this: A person with my position will defend your right to be more than a housefly, rat, virus, or amoeba to be lied to and exploited...to the bitter end.

In my experience, I have never come across a situation where the same is reciprocated in the opposite direction.

Go ahead and keep getting your self deceiving psychobabble on...

OK, everyone get back on topic. Name calling can only go so far before the MODS get involved, so do us all a favor and move on.


To the OP: There is inherently nothing gay or straight about how to conduct yourself while applying to dental school or when you get out into private practice. Acting like a professional warrants a conservative tone, not as commentary on social or political issues, but as a representitive of the profession. Your patients look to you for serious matters that need your professional knowledge, so remember to respect the history of the profession and dress, act, and speak in a professional manner when operating as a dentist.
On the weekends you can let your flag fly and show off tattoos and piercings and any other personal representations that you are into. 👍 Personally, I love tattoos, and I have one, and when I get more they will be covered up at work/ school/ continuing ed courses etc. I also love hip hop, but you won't find Biggie, Tupac, TI, Jay Z, Nas, The Game and such on my office radio playlist

On a side note, there is a guy at my school who wears his nose ring (i don't think he's gay, but then again i've never asked...mostly on account that i don't care) and he doesn't catch any flack for having it. But I bet he doesn't wear it in the clinic when he gets there in 6 months.

 

[jmt1984]

I feel as though I missed the few posts connecting "don't wear an earing at an interview" and "MTV is leading to the rapid destruction of society".

Anyways, it's entertaining thread to follow, my apologies to the OP who wanted a simple answer.

 

[tinman831]

Ignore the troll.

 

[beatsdre]

I feel as though I missed the few posts connecting "don't wear an earing at an interview" and "MTV is leading to the rapid destruction of society".

Anyways, it's entertaining thread to follow, my apologies to the OP who wanted a simple answer.

Seriously, thats what gives the troll away

 

[HeartOfLeonidas]

"Private" Message from forum admin:

Dear HeartOfLeonidas,

You have received an infraction at Student Doctor Network Forums.

Reason: TOS Violation: Trolling/Intent to Inflame
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Trolling is not permitted here on SDN. You will not receive another warning.
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This infraction is worth 2 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
Student Doctor Network Forums

My response:

"Dear" communist censorship commitee,

I do not appreciate you filling my inbox with accusations of "trolling" and "intent to flame".

Since when did anyone figure out how to read my mind and my intentions?

To accuse someone of "Trolling" is like the term "racist". You've simply reduced your position to ad hominems...even worse you've done it with some lame form letter.

BITE ME! Political Correctness is for commie cowards. So fill in the blank. Tinman831 (and everyone else who is cut from the same cloth he/she is) has no heart and he/she is a nasty, rusty c_____ brained zombie.

"All the Best" and "Kindest Regards"...shyeah, as if you couldn't be anymore fake and disengenuous in your (mis)use and abuse of sentiment as expressed by the english language.

Please disable this account as soon as possible if I cannot figure it out sooner.

The KGB and Stalin are surely extremely pleased comrade tinman831

 

[DrDDSman]

Well if the warning wasn't enough, I guess posting a PM on a public forum is enough to get your annoyingness banned. Good riddance.

 

[HeartOfLeonidas]

Well if the warning wasn't enough, I guess posting a PM on a public forum is enough to get your annoyingness banned. Good riddance.

nothing a change in email address and a proxy server won't fix...😉

Still, how to get this account deleted...still looking. I attempted to send a PM to "memberservices" with the request but apparently they don't exist (contrary to the advice of at least two other posters in another thread).

You can keep your lame SDN forum pc. I'll keep the facts to myself. Idiots.

 

[jmt1984]

My world is being turned up-side down.

 

[toothes]

in b4 ban

 

[HeartOfLeonidas]

Do people have advice on being out in dental school (interviews, essay, and when actually IN dental school)?

Is being a male who wears an earring bad?

How open are students in dental school? Any experiences at particular schools? 😕 I shadowed a physician once and he flat out told me to remove my earring if I wanted to continue there, so I just said deuces, I'm outta here. He flat out said the "medical" field is not "Ready" for people like myself yet. How encouraging 🙄

I guess to sum up: The simple fact that you are asking should speak volumes (if you were listening to yourself).

I feel myself getting stupider by the minute in this forum.

I did send a message to https://sdn.zendesk.com/home requesting this account be deleted post haste.

 

[redchesus]

"Private" Message from forum admin:



My response:

"Dear" communist censorship commitee,

I do not appreciate you filling my inbox with accusations of "trolling" and "intent to flame".

Since when did anyone figure out how to read my mind and my intentions?

To accuse someone of "Trolling" is like the term "racist". You've simply reduced your position to ad hominems...even worse you've done it with some lame form letter.

BITE ME! Political Correctness is for commie cowards. So fill in the blank. Tinman831 (and everyone else who is cut from the same cloth he/she is) has no heart and he/she is a nasty, rusty c_____ brained zombie.

"All the Best" and "Kindest Regards"...shyeah, as if you couldn't be anymore fake and disengenuous in your (mis)use and abuse of sentiment as expressed by the english language.

Please disable this account as soon as possible if I cannot figure it out sooner.

The KGB and Stalin are surely extremely pleased comrade tinman831

Were you born in the 50s, man?? It isn't the Cold War era anymore... you're the one that's misusing the English language because you clearly have failed to grasp what the heck communism actually is. To name call people on this board "commie" and then to whine about ad hominems?!? What mind-blowing hypocrisy. Stop spouting cliche talking points forwarded to you by your conservative grandfather (FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: Libruls are Moslem turrists, lol).

Oh, you're going to have "great" time in dental school if you have so much disdain for blue collar folks, maybe do some research into what segment of the population uses dental school clinics. But thank the lord no adcom will actually admit you with that attitude... unless you decide to, ya know, deceive the admissions about your true self, which goes back to the topic at hand, doesn't it?

I didn't think you were trolling based on your earliest posts, I just thought you were sheltered and have an insular point of view, but now I don't know... I think I'll just stop feeding the troll now.

I feel myself getting stupider by the minute in this forum.

I did send a message to https://sdn.zendesk.com/home requesting this account be deleted post haste.

That's actually cognitive dissonance. Good freakin' riddance.

 

[armorshell]

BITE ME! Political Correctness is for commie cowards. So fill in the blank. Tinman831 (and everyone else who is cut from the same cloth he/she is) has no heart and he/she is a nasty, rusty c_____ brained zombie.

The reason you're being warned is not because of the content of your posts or your ideas, but the manner in which you present them.

 

[lemoncurry]

Posting on this forum is a privilege and not a right. When you sign up to this board, you agree to a set of rules, much like a physician or dentist agrees to certain rules of the profession. It is highly ironic that you speak of conformity being vital yet scoff and insult those who ask the same of you.

If this place bothers you so much, no one is keeping you here. Yet you seem all too eager to go to great lengths to re-register under a new alias if need be.

No one likes yelling at emo kids as much as I do, but there is a time and a place for that as well.

closed thread.