Best DO School

[ripulpancal2000]

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The Best DO Schools listed in order beginning with the best:

1. Touro Medical School, 2. Arizona-Midwestern, 3. Chicago-Midwestern, 4. Michigan State 5. UHS, 6. Kirksville

Touro was ranked the best DO school in US News and World Report. UHS, Kirksville, and Touro had the highest COMLEX Part I pass rates at 97%.

The Worst DO Schools listed in order beginning with the worst of the worst.

1. Des Moines University, 2. PCOM, 3. NYCOM, 4. Pomona

Des Moines Unviversity had the second lowest COMLEX Part I pass rate this year at 80%, while the national average was 92.7%. They have had 3 deans in 5 years, which means they have had a state of flux. NYCOM had the lowest COMLEX Part I pass rate at 69.6%.

 

[raptor5]

And why is PCOM the second worst DO school?

 

[Docgeorge]

From talking to people here, the pass rate for COMLEX was a fluke. You dont judge a school buy just scores form 1 year, you look for patterns. And it was'nt 80% it was higher (dont rember exact percentage quoted but it higher then 80%).

Additionaly, our dean of clinical affairs did not get fired we hired two more associate deans 1 for each year clinical rotations, with Dr. Hoff being the overall dean. Finally the Dean of COM&S that we have now is awsome! He was the past president of the American College of Osteopatic Surgeons, he is an active surgical oncologist and is an excellent dean. He has some great ideas for this program and the will and the connections to make them a reality.

 

[tkim]

Thread closed - multiple postings.

*Nine* posts saying the same thing. This constitutes spam. Stop.

EDIT: Thread reopened by request.

 

[RajMahal]

Again, since this is where Mr. Panchal has decided to direct people for more of his badmouthing of my school, I shall post a reply.

If passing rates for the boards is all that's important to you, why don't you lock yourself in a room and study for them, and do really well on them, instead of making sweeping generalizations about the overall quality of my school. I picked DMU over several other schools, and have no regrets about doing so. I feel that I'm getting a great education, I love the faculty and administration here, and I feel that the University, not just the college of osteopathic medicine, is expanding and growing with the pace of progress, if not faster.

We have some of the best undergraduate surgical education in the country. That's what our dean told me when I e-mailed him about whether I should go here or to kirksville, as an aspiring surgeon. And our dean happens to be a fellow of the American College of Surgeons and the American College of Osteopathic Surgeons, not to mention the first DO to be trained in a military residency. When times change, staff needs to change accordingly. Apparently, Mr. Panchal is an expert on human resources, staffing, and administration of a university--perhaps he should drop out of medical school and seek a career as a university administrator...

Bottom line--I'm not trying to avoid the issue of board scores. They were low across the country last year. And we had our lowest scores in years (The figure I was told was 90.9% for students taking COMLEX-I for the first time). Which is below the national average, and our usual performance of >95%. Our administration was unhappy about this, and our students were concerned, so the curriculum committee and the administration are taking appropriate steps to ensure that the scores get back up and stay there.

With pride and respect for DMU,

RajMahal👍

 

[texdrake]

Good post Raj.

Oh and his data is wrong. The DO-05 class had a step 1 board pass rate of around 90%. Their were somewhere around 20 fails in a class of 200.... I think magazine got some bad info because I know how many people failed and it wasn't anywhere near the 40 it would need to be to be at 80%. That is also the lowest pass rate in quite some time and the class underwent a curriculum change as well. Still every school fluctuates.

Finally is it more important to teach one to be a good physician or to teach them only what they need to know to due well on the boards. As board scores due not correlate well to doctor ability...especially step 1.

 

[luckystar]

Somebody's not doing so hot on his rotations huh?

You know, DMU has never kept its state of progress a secret. It's openly stated, during interviews even, that there have been some major changes in the last 3 years. It's just too bad that ripul didn't take to those changes too kindly. From what I know, there was a decision to change the second year curriculum of the 2005 class to a case-based one, and for some reason, many students weren't ready for it (exact words from a prof). Recognizing the difficulty that students had with it, the curriculum was changed back. Now, we have a lot of case presentations incorporated into our first year classes, in the hopes to sort of combine both a standard and case-based teaching style. We have responded very well to this and it suits most of us just fine. Personally, I think this says a lot about DMU's ability to change AND be able to involve the students in working out a solution. Imagine if they decided to let you guys tough it out and suck it up.

So it's really too bad that you were one of those students who couldn't adapt to a new learning style, ripul. Maybe that's why you're so bitter now? Because so many board questions are presented in a case format?

Finally, a key point to note in your message is your use of the past perfect tense (i.e. "they have had".) Reiterating the posts above, not only is most of your information inaccurate and misleading, it also doesn't really mean anything at this present time. Which school can boast that it's never lost a staff member, or replaced one with a better suited one? Besides the newer schools, which school can say that it's never altered its curriculum? Stagnancy isn't always a wonderful thing.

 

[group_theory]

Originally posted by ripulpancal2000
The Best DO Schools listed in order beginning with the best:

1. Touro Medical School, 2. Arizona-Midwestern, 3. Chicago-Midwestern, 4. Michigan State 5. UHS, 6. Kirksville

Touro was ranked the best DO school in US News and World Report. UHS, Kirksville, and Touro had the highest COMLEX Part I pass rates at 97%.

The Worst DO Schools listed in order beginning with the worst of the worst.

1. Des Moines University, 2. PCOM, 3. NYCOM, 4. Pomona

Des Moines Unviversity had the second lowest COMLEX Part I pass rate this year at 80%, while the national average was 92.7%. They have had 3 deans in 5 years, which means they have had a state of flux. NYCOM had the lowest COMLEX Part I pass rate at 69.6%.

Before everyone runs and panics (or defends Des Moines)

methinks we have a troll (either that or someone who confuses facts w/ opinions)

1. USNews and World Report do not have a seperate ranking for DO schools. Look as hard as you may, they don't have it. I don't see a seperate DO school ranking section too in the printed edition.

2. Cited no source for his COMLEX passinig rates. Are they from the horse's mouth? From the schools themselves? From friends at these schools?


So I wouldn't freak out just yet. His statement about USNews is wrong, and he/she has provided no source (primary or secondary) about how he obtained his COMLEX passing rates.

So until then, I would treat his post as an opinion (whether informed or uninformed, he has yet to establish)

 

[luckystar]

Thanks for the heads-up 🙂

Obviously the guy is trollish...and his claims are unsubstantiated thus far, but what led me to post is that my classmate found out that ripul is listed in the class of 2005 here. I'm just curious as to what motivated him to post.

:edit: Nevermind!! Thanks to Popoy (our supercool mod), it has been established that ripulpancal2000 is not the same person as the one in the class of 2005 at DMU.

 

[Popoy]

This ripulpancal2000 sure has had a lot to say....

I've posted something similar in the DMU Class of 2008 thread and I'll try and repeat the same....

Before anyone jumps to conclusion, first of all whoever this ripulpancal2000 is --- he is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same person as in my class.... He is one of the nicest people in my class and feels very fortunate to be attending DMU.

This happens year after year, school after school.... One miscommunication after another.... or information that was exaggerated.... in more ways than one.

I'm not going to repeat what everyone else has stated.... But I do want to encourage students/prospective candidates to DMU (or for any medical school for that matter) to be conscientious and critical of what you see and read from others in Studentdoctor.net.

Take what information you have with a grain of salt and filter out the good and bad.

Don't let ONE person and ONE opinion affect your own decision....

Good luck to those applying this year and congratulations to those who have been accepted.... 😎

 

[ripulpancal2000]

I simply wanted to tell the truth of our school. People at this school seem not to tell the truth about certain matters. I have done a lot of nice things for this school and I have worked extremely hard, but I do not like it when people are not truthful with you. Many students got screwed over with clinical rotations at this school and this is is sad to see this. I doubt this happens at other medical schools. I want applicants to know that many people got screwed with clinical rotations at this school.

 

[ripulpancal2000]

Do applicants know what happened with the OMM Fellowships this year and that many hard working derserving candidates did not get the fellowships, but instead people who did not deserve these fellowships ended up getting them. Many people worked hard to be TA's and they did not get anything out of it, other than a free lunch. Applicants should know that this is one of many strange things that happen at our school, just like the curriculum screw up.

 

[hossofadoc]

If we are going on pass rate of the comlex, then I think my school (PCSOM) should be considered...it had a pass rate of 96% and we produced the highest score on step II last year.
I just wished that someday we would all grow up and stop competing against each other. We are in this for the same cause...for the betterment of society by helping those in need through osteopathic medicine.

 

[Popoy]

ripulpancal2000

You have every right to be upset as is many students.... And I can see where you're coming from.

But having been able to talk to other students, we are not alone in situations with regards to clinical affairs and the likes....

There are still animosity about the OMM Fellowship selection but you have to respect that that is the outcome.... like applying for medical school, not every applicant that gets accepted is deserving.

Personally, the way I deal with all the things happening is to try and make changes myself to the best that I can.... I try to be a voice when it counts. But you soon find out that making enemies is not the best way to make changes....

There is always two sides to a story and one side always thinks they are right....

One very good thing about DMU is that they really listen to the students.... This may not be as evident as some would like but after talking to other students during conventions and convocations and during rotations.... I can definitely say that we, as students at DMU, are very fortunate that we have faculty and staff that are advocates for students.

But I employ you to think about the consequences that you are doing to share such information negatively about your own school and how you will be viewed as an alumni from that school.

As hossofadoc stated, we are all in this together not against each other.

There are good and bad things about DMU and yes, I do agree that the bad is typically always the very thing that people want to voice... but how about the good things that DMU has done for its students.... Those are often neglected and unspoken for because pointing out faults are easier than looking at the brighter side of things....

Not all students have difficulty with clinical affairs, believe it or not.... Not all students think that the OMM fellowship selection was unfair.... Not all students care about any of this, for that matter....

I'm glad you are able to voice out your opinion but realize that a lot of those going through this website take information to heart.... I can only hope that they realize that problems at one school is not unique but is widespread in both MD and DO universities.

Hope things are going well with you and please if you have any concerns you'd like me to convey to the DMU administration, please send me a private message and I can guarantee you that it will be heard....

😎