Better judge of matriculation chances from interviews

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So I see a lot of people talking about "how many interviews you need to feel confident." That's an okay measure, but there are a lot of people that get ~4 interviews, and zero acceptances. I think a better measure would be interview percentage. Ie, I would feel more confident as a person that applied to 8 schools and got 3 interviews than I would as a person who applied to 25 and got 4. This could be a simple measure, such as # interviews/ # secondaries, or it could be a more complicated weighted system which includes the selectivity of the schools you're applying to. I'd love to hear ideas for a weighted formula.
 
I would rather be the person with 25 applications and 4 interviews over the person with 8 applications and 3 interviews. 1 more opportunity to show schools why they should accept you.
 
Doesn't this depend on where you applied and the background of your application? Or is this assumed in your metrics?

Total number or percentage both depend on that.
 
Maybe wrong place to ask this, but I went on an interview and all applicants seemed amazing and I loved my interview so does it go back to gpa/mcat/ec's once you've passed the "congrats you aren't a psychopath" test?
 
Maybe wrong place to ask this, but I went on an interview and all applicants seemed amazing and I loved my interview so does it go back to gpa/mcat/ec's once you've passed the "congrats you aren't a psychopath" test?
Copied this from a post by @LizzyM, which I think sums this up perfectly

"I have used the analogy of a staircase in the past. Imagine a very wide staircase that can accommodate many applicants on each stair. Each applicant is assigned a stair pre-interview. The applicants at the top of the staircase proceed to interview. This might be the top two or three steps or the top five or six.... Keep in mind that some schools interview 10-20% of applicants. Those lower on the staircase will not be interviewed. Post interview, applicants are again assigned to a stair. In part, the position on the stairs reflects their position pre-interview but a good interview may move an applicant up a stair or two and a bad performance may move someone down to the bottom. Now again, only a proportion of the applicants can be admitted and we start at the top of the stairs and work our way down until the class is full.

MCAT and GPA to determine, in large part, your place on the stairs. It takes quite a bit to move up higher pre-interview but some specific life experiences that are highly valued can provide that upward mobility. Then you hope that your interview moves you up further and doesn't leave you toward the bottom due to applicants with better numbers taking positions higher on the staircase."
 
So I see a lot of people talking about "how many interviews you need to feel confident." That's an okay measure, but there are a lot of people that get ~4 interviews, and zero acceptances. I think a better measure would be interview percentage. Ie, I would feel more confident as a person that applied to 8 schools and got 3 interviews than I would as a person who applied to 25 and got 4. This could be a simple measure, such as # interviews/ # secondaries, or it could be a more complicated weighted system which includes the selectivity of the schools you're applying to. I'd love to hear ideas for a weighted formula.
You could take it a step further to account for differences in post-interview acceptance rates at different schools. Say you apply to 25 schools, get 5 II's to schools A, B, C, D, and E, and those schools have post-interview acceptance rates of 30%, 25%, 50%, 50%, and 40%, you could report all the info as 25/5/195% (secondaries/II's/sum of post-interview acceptance rates for the schools from which you received II's). Seems like a pretty solid metric to evaluate chances of acceptance.
 
You could take it a step further to account for differences in post-interview acceptance rates at different schools. Say you apply to 25 schools, get 5 II's to schools A, B, C, D, and E, and those schools have post-interview acceptance rates of 30%, 25%, 50%, 50%, and 40%, you could report all the info as 25/5/195% (secondaries/II's/sum of post-interview acceptance rates for the schools from which you received II's). Seems like a pretty solid metric to evaluate chances of acceptance.

What you can't account for is people who are so catatonic or so rude or otherwise so badly behaved that they can't get an offer even from a school that admits 50% of those interviewed.
 
What you can't account for is people who are so catatonic or so rude or otherwise so badly behaved that they can't get an offer even from a school that admits 50% of those interviewed.
Very true, but no measure will ever be able to take those people into account, so I feel like (#secondaries)/(#II's)/(sum of post-interview acceptance %) is as good as we can get
 
What you can't account for is people who are so catatonic or so rude or otherwise so badly behaved that they can't get an offer even from a school that admits 50% of those interviewed.

There are people like this? lol it's not hard to have simple common decency.


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What you can't account for is people who are so catatonic or so rude or otherwise so badly behaved that they can't get an offer even from a school that admits 50% of those interviewed.
Do you have to be poorly behaved to not get into such a school? Im assuming that 50% of their interviewees aren't awful, but they still don't get accepted. I'd love for "you have to be terrible to not get in" to be true, but I just have a hard time imagining that 50% of people that make it to the interview would be.
 
Do you have to be poorly behaved to not get into such a school? Im assuming that 50% of their interviewees aren't awful, but they still don't get accepted. I'd love for "you have to be terrible to not get in" to be true, but I just have a hard time imagining that 50% of people that make it to the interview would be.

I am sure that there are some people who are shy and unable to perform during interviews, people who are "4.0 automatons" but lack social skills, people who choke during interviews, people who are nice/smart but immature, people who start off well but upon a mistake cannot recover, people who aren't able to convey the same passion in a conversation as they did in written statements, people who came unprepared to answer "why this school", people who juet have an odd affect, etc. When you attend interviews and interact with other interviewees, you may notice some of these more nuanced things in your cohort. I am sure there are some badly behaved individuals, I interacted with one when I was interviewing. But I think there are probably a lot more people with more subtle things that are keeping them from acceptance.
 
The only person at my interview last year who I thought was not only socially inept/awkward but also straight up rude ended up getting accepted a week later so I guess some people can really flip a switch for 30 minutes during their interview and pretend to be a decent human. Still 1% bitter about it but what can ya do.
 
You could take it a step further to account for differences in post-interview acceptance rates at different schools. Say you apply to 25 schools, get 5 II's to schools A, B, C, D, and E, and those schools have post-interview acceptance rates of 30%, 25%, 50%, 50%, and 40%, you could report all the info as 25/5/195% (secondaries/II's/sum of post-interview acceptance rates for the schools from which you received II's). Seems like a pretty solid metric to evaluate chances of acceptance.

Maybe a better method would be to take those percentages and multiply the odds of "not" getting an acceptance:

0.7 * 0.75 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.6 = 0.08, or 8% chance of not getting accepted anywhere = 92% chance of getting at least 1 acceptance assuming you are an average applicant and have an average interview at each school. We know from LizzyM's staircase analogy that this will not necessarily be the case, so maybe adjust your percentages a few points in either direction based on whether your II's are at reaches or safeties.
 
Maybe a better method would be to take those percentages and multiply the odds of "not" getting an acceptance:

0.7 * 0.75 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.6 = 0.08, or 8% chance of not getting accepted anywhere = 92% chance of getting at least 1 acceptance assuming you are an average applicant and have an average interview at each school. We know from LizzyM's staircase analogy that this will not necessarily be the case, so maybe adjust your percentages a few points in either direction based on whether your II's are at reaches or safeties.
Yep, that's better.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean that to be so abrasive! Thinking about LizzyM's post about "people who are so rude" :smack:😛
Hahah no I didn't interpret it as abrasive at all, I thought it was a really good point! No offense taken whatsoever my friend
 
The people I'm thinking of are those who have 5-8 interviews (or more) and yet get no offers. Something is usually going on that can't be quantified... If it happens two years running to the same applicant, then you can be sure there is something people are seeing at interview that they aren't seeing on paper that is turning them off.
 
So I see a lot of people talking about "how many interviews you need to feel confident." That's an okay measure, but there are a lot of people that get ~4 interviews, and zero acceptances. I think a better measure would be interview percentage. Ie, I would feel more confident as a person that applied to 8 schools and got 3 interviews than I would as a person who applied to 25 and got 4. This could be a simple measure, such as # interviews/ # secondaries, or it could be a more complicated weighted system which includes the selectivity of the schools you're applying to. I'd love to hear ideas for a weighted formula.
There are a few problems with such a blunt metric. Here are a few variables that will impact the ability to accurately assign a likelihood of matriculation.

School selection ,you can have two identical candidates that apply to the same schools and receive II's from them,but applicant B applies to 10 additional schools that are reaches because applicant B is a firm believer in the ancient philosophy of YOLO. The strength of applications is identical yet you will artificially decrease confidence in matriculation for applicant B.

2 variable : Time of interview offered. August vs. March. Either indicates preference or time of completion. Look at UMich's pdf where chances of acceptance decrease by 33%.

3rd : Interview performance: This may vary based on an almost infinite number of factors- applicant wore the wrong tie, interviewer was in a terrible mood, social mishaps, personality mismatch, a case of jet lag, unusual question,lack of preparation,verbal diarrhea, etc etc. If you think of it as a naturally occurring process you will be close to the median in performance but may still encounter natural variation in performance a few SD's above or below your baseline ultimately rising in median with more practice. I personally think if an applicant has 3+ interviews the later interviews will be of better quality due to practice. This is ultimately the biggest wildcard and has some of the most uncontrollable variables.

4th variable: Post interview acceptance rates vary drastically from school to school. Some of thus data is not publically available from a reliable source. You would have to agree on the data and then ask everyone to use it in calculations. These rates also vary for IS vsOOS for schools that display any preference.

5TH Variable: Waitlist movement, you maybe waitlisted but other acceptees may withdraw in a process that can only be described as random.

6th variable: Internal rubric and processes probably look very different for different schools. With one assigning higher preference to a certain variable compared to the other. The internal process for selection may differ in other unpredictable ways.Are all applicants equal post II and is the decision based on interview performance or is it more varied incorporating gpa mcat,lor,and ecs even after IIs.

All I do know is that uncertainty in matriculation decrease to zero as the cycle is moving to completion and is at zero at matriculation

TLDR: Too much stuff going on.
 
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