BOARD MODERATOR INTERVENTION Requested - Orthoguy.

[Krafty]

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Every thread I read on this board that has any input from this alleged "orthoguy" person never ceases his ad hominem attacks

- "To this they have responded with the *****ic "well you are afraid of change" or with a sob story about how their parents didn't fund their education...no matter how realistic we argue, they simply come back with something ignorant, uninformed, and uneducated. "
11-05-2003 - www.savethematch.org post

He brings no points into any of the threads and posts simply to stir controversy and assert his self-perceived superiority, see his "DO's and US FMG's shouldn't be allowed to practice US medicine" thread from 11/2.

I am annoyed and tired of his hostile, uninformed and psychological unstable personality. I will ask the board moderator to review his posts, and hopefully restrict his priviledges.

I hope other people will join me in writing to Kimberly Cox, Stinky Tofu, SW-Adrian to say what they really feel about him. I have a lingering suspicion that I am not the only one who finds his writings offensive, derogatory and plain uncalled for.

"Unfortunately with the rise of the poor man's MD (a DO), US FMG's, and PA's with prescribing power our system continues to be decimated more and more.
The only alternative I see is to stop the DO schools from churning out 250+ incompetent grads each and let US FMG's who train in foreign countries practice medicine in the countries they fled to learn in."
- 11/2 Orthoguy

Views full of bigotry and personal prejudice, such as the one above have no place on a professional board. I am personally disgusted with somebody like this in a medical profession.

 

[orthoguy]

Well I certainly hope that you have read many of the attacks against me in the threads that you have cited. (I do recall being called a jack-a$$)

Further, I wonder if this is how you deal with viewpoints that are not congruent with your own, by removing them and forcing yourself not to deal with them.

Lastly, its a message board, lighten up, my opnions are just that, opinions.

 

[tofurious]

While I don't agree with the tone Orthoguy has sometimes taken, I don't think that his "priviledges" should be restricted. He is entitled to his opinions as is everyone else on this board. If his opinions are offensive to DOs and IMGs, they can exercise their rights to not take to heart what he writes or even read what he writes. If any opinion against DOs and IMGs will get someone banned from this board, perhaps the moderators should just tell people ahead of time that this is a board that's PRO DOs and IMGs and people who don't like them should not post/read this board. I hope that's not the case because I believe this board is doing everyone (US seniors, IMGs, and DOs) a service of sort.

I also believe that surgeons can make fun of internists and vice versa, and US grads can make fun of IMGs and vice versa (I remember somebody posting a study saying that IMGs have better clinical training on an OSCE of sort than US grads... I certainly hope that person doesn't get banned). AND I hope I don't get banned for saying that I can't stand it when individuals like to start crusades just because people can't agree on something.

 

[Krafty]

I wonder if this is how you deal with viewpoints that are not congruent with your own, by removing them and forcing yourself not to deal with them.
- I am not asking to remove your posts. I am asking to not allow your negative contributions to our future discussions. I think your posts should be left in place for people to marvel at the extent of bigotry in the medical profession.


At first I did not think that anything you said deserved a reply. I think you offended enough people with your posts and we are all sick of hearing your demeaning remarks.

However, I am very surprised me is that you did not personally attack me claiming that my views were *****ic or ignorant.

Otherwise, I do not care what your thoughts are on this or any other subject. Hopefully we will not have to bear to hear your ridiculout diatribes again.

 

[orthoguy]

Read further into the DO thread if it offends you so much, you will see that I have stated that I have worked with a # of wonderful DO's, but as a whole I find the training to be sub-par (and please don't respond to the DO controversy here, I am not trying to rehash, we had it out pretty well in the other forum).

Further, if you read those posts carefully you will see that I am calling viewpoints *****ic or unintelligent, not the individual. There is a difference, but I guess my view-points are so horribly offense to you that you cannot look past it to actually see what I wrote (rather than quoting them out of context).

 

[rirriri]

A) this General Residency forum is NOT meant to be controversial. This forum is meant to be a positive place to discuss residency and our futures. Orthoguy, you have obviously missed the point of discussion. If you want to carry out these kinds of discussions, use the "Everyone" forum. You are essentially just polluting this forums.

B) i don't think Orthoguy should be banned, because he seems a bit unstable and that might cause him permanent mental damage.

 

[Apollyon]

Originally posted by rirriri
he seems a bit unstable and that might cause him permanent mental damage.

Would that make him "pathological"?

 

[rirriri]

Originally posted by Apollyon
Would that make him "pathological"?

no no, my good man! that would require "emergency" assistance!

 

[Purifyer]

I think you need help if you are offended enough to request a ban just because he called your ideas *****ic. If you are complaining because he called someone else's ideas *****ic... I think you should have played musical chairs more as a child.

 

[1996]

I agree with Purifyer. In fact, I have seen many posters who use worse insults and personal attacks in their posts, some of them directed to Orthoguy himself. While I'm not a supporter of personal attacks and insults, I really don't consider what he writes that big a deal. I don't get offended by what he writes, and I can choose to read or not read and reply or not reply to his posts. On top of that, from what I have read, I don't get the impression that his sole mission is to piss everyone off. What I see from reading his posts is someone trying to argue for his own opinion, some of which might be different from other people's, and defending his own believes. So what if he thinks DOs receive worse training than MDs? That's HIS opinion, just like we all have our own opinion on which residency programs offer better training than others. If we are allowed to write on this board about how certain programs suck and their residents are bad, then I don't think that he deserves being banned just because HE feels that DO programs suck. It's the same thing.

In addition, while I disagree with some of his opinions or word choice, I think he does bring valuable inputs to some of the discussions and he deserves the credits for that.

 

[flindophile]

Sure, orthoguy has an attitude and is sometimes inpolite but there is nothing forcing you to read the threads and respond. If it bugs you, don't read it. I often disagree with orthoguy but I that often happens when I read posts by people who are not as smart or well educated as I am.

 

[DrMom]

Just as a reminder, starting threads like this that single out a particular SDNer is a TOS violation. I'm closing it because of this.

If you have issues, you can PM moderators of this forum rather than starting a thread.

 

[drusso]

Originally posted by DrMom
Just as a reminder, starting threads like this that single out a particular SDNer is a TOS violation. I'm closing it because of this.

If you have issues, you can PM moderators of this forum rather than starting a thread.

As a moderator and someone who has debated Orthoguy, I think that we all need to be reminded that SDN is a preprofessional forum. As such, some commonsense rules should apply. Basically, if you wouldn't say something directly to someone's face, then you shouldn't post it online. So, I doubt that Orthoguy (or others) would walk up to a DO attending or senior resident and say, "You know, I've worked with some wonderful DO's in the past, but on a whole I think that they're training is sub-par." Not a way to win friends and influence people...

The buzzword in medical education these days is "professionalism." Controversial issues (allopathic versus osteopathic philosophies of health care, tertiary care training environments versus community based training environments, traditional versus nontraditional predictors of academic success, economics of post-graduate training, etc) should and can be discussed respectively on SDN. Just remember that the person you crap on today could be the person who saves you or your loved-one's life (or quality of life) tomorrow. As emerging health care professionals, we all deserve each other's respect.