Board Runner/Facilitator in Private Practices

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Just wondering if groups have an attending out of the OR to "facilitate and/or run the board..."

Our group (all MD) is getting pressure from the hospital to have an Anesthesiologist out and about to help move things along smoothly, keep an eye on PACU patients, etc. We're looking to see what the hospital will provide for us to offer these services. We're not an eat what you kill group, but having a person out of the OR will bring in less revenue to our group and we're not quite willing to suck that. What are the experiences of other groups out there?

drccw
 
Just wondering if groups have an attending out of the OR to "facilitate and/or run the board..."

Our group (all MD) is getting pressure from the hospital to have an Anesthesiologist out and about to help move things along smoothly, keep an eye on PACU patients, etc. We're looking to see what the hospital will provide for us to offer these services. We're not an eat what you kill group, but having a person out of the OR will bring in less revenue to our group and we're not quite willing to suck that. What are the experiences of other groups out there?

drccw

Ask for $500k and play up the safety angle. They can help with blocks, scheduling add on cases, emergencies, etc. If you have residents, you can give them the easiest room to cover as well to help cover their salary. It worked well at a place I rotated to as a resident. Sucked to be the resident in the dental room though.
If you have a small group and resist changes coming down from management you're really putting yourself at risk for a supervision based takeover. They can offer a board runner/fireman, and may be cheaper too. Do you have a or nurse coordinator running things now? It may be worth the paycut if it secures your job for a couple of contracts. Times are changing, security is a thing of the past for small groups and loyalty is worthless. Think about that.
There was just a post yesterday about a PP takeover.
 
I would agree that accommodating the requests of the hospital administration is paramount. The service they are requesting will likely implement a new level of efficiency to their surgical operation. OR efficiencies translate to increased revenues for the hospital in the form of less wasted OR time and happier surgeons, which will likely increase surgery numbers. If possible, I would attempt to quantify the increased revenue or savings and leverage this when negotiating a daily stipend for the MD board runner. The stipend should at least equate an MD's average daily collections. From my experience, nurse managers are ineffective board runners. Their goals are to provide less work for their staff for the same pay. They will always accommodate their staffs needs over operational efficiencies, which translate to longer days for us and dissatisfied surgeons. The AMC's that are bidding on your contract right now are pitching a new superior level of operational management and measurable efficiencies incorporating electronic data collections system to allow comprehensive data collection, analysis and reporting data points, including Joint Commission Indicators, SCIP Indicators, PQRI, HCAHPS measures, timely OR case starts, improved surgeon and patient satisfaction, and productivity benchmarking for no stipends and no subsidies. Can your group do that? Presentation will be key in successfully reaching a mutual agreement.


Ask for $500k and play up the safety angle. They can help with blocks, scheduling add on cases, emergencies, etc. If you have residents, you can give them the easiest room to cover as well to help cover their salary. It worked well at a place I rotated to as a resident. Sucked to be the resident in the dental room though.
If you have a small group and resist changes coming down from management you're really putting yourself at risk for a supervision based takeover. They can offer a board runner/fireman, and may be cheaper too. Do you have a or nurse coordinator running things now? It may be worth the paycut if it secures your job for a couple of contracts. Times are changing, security is a thing of the past for small groups and loyalty is worthless. Think about that.
There was just a post yesterday about a PP takeover.
 
Just wondering if groups have an attending out of the OR to "facilitate and/or run the board..."

Our group (all MD) is getting pressure from the hospital to have an Anesthesiologist out and about to help move things along smoothly, keep an eye on PACU patients, etc. We're looking to see what the hospital will provide for us to offer these services. We're not an eat what you kill group, but having a person out of the OR will bring in less revenue to our group and we're not quite willing to suck that. What are the experiences of other groups out there?

drccw

What's the structure of your group? Residents or CRNAs? How many ORs are you having to cover?

I've only been working as an attending for about a year, but I can give you two perspectives.

My residency program was way busier than we are at my current institution. The attending running the board usually just had one room, occasionally if they were short staffed two rooms. The attending running the board also had a resident, usually a senior resident. It sucked being the resident in the room on some days, but the system worked. The attending running the board was able to coordinate shifting of cases, planning for addons, etc. We had a resident in the PACU and a separate attending, who also had a resident, would "cover" the PACU. The PACU resident carried the floor intubation pager, so the PACU attending was available to help with floor intubations if needed. It was rare to have the PACU resident call the attending for help.

Where I am now there are no residents, but there are CRNAs. We have 8 ORs, but don't have enough CRNA/attending staff to run more than 7. Any empty OR gets used for emergencies and helping to bounce surgeons (provided there is nursing staff to handle it). There are 3 attendings in the main OR. I have on the busier days covered 4 ORs, but usually only 3 ORs (occasionally 2). The OR chief is the default board runner, but if he is not there the task goes to the late person. Usually that person will get one of the lighter rooms, and usually only covers 2 rooms (occasionally 3). PACU responsibility is shared. The attending who's patient is in PACU usually covers that patient(s) in PACU, but the overall responsibility is that of the late person. We don't do as many blocks as we used to, but because the cases here run relatively long, it is usually not a big deal to bring a patient early for a block and get it done in the holding area. The holding area is big enough that we don't really need a special room.

I've noticed many times the hangups come when surgeons want to add on cases on complicated patients and don't give appropriate notice to allow for an assessment. Stressing the importance of proper attending to attending communication and setting a limit on how late add-ons can be added may help control some of your issues.

I've only been the board runner a handful of times now, and I don't envy your situation at all. But assuming you are doing supervision, and don't have an enormous number of ORs (big assumptions, I know), you should be able to make it work. The alternative is to get a subsidy from the hospital to pay this person's salary (after all they are the ones who want an extra person).

Good luck.
 
I believe he said MD only group.

I imagine the hospital is trying to be jaco compliant with timely pacu discharges and adequate md documentation of readiness for discharge. Pretty inefficient to have to wait for a room to come out so that this anesthesiologist can sign out the patients in pacu. Plus the added benefits of scouting pts on the floor or helping with tough cases. Having someone free to do stuff is great. The problem is who pays for it? If your salary is way above average it will probably be you.
 
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So... Either you'd get:

1) stipend
2) stipend AND supervise
3) hire AA's to supervise
4) obtain a residency rotation and supervise

Fixed that for you.
 
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