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I find the cultural component interesting with half the cases being from Germany and Switzerland. Sort of reminds me of Koro although in that I think they are afraid that a body part might disappear. Never seen that one either, no pun intended.
 
Must be a new fad

Genuine cases of BIID obviously do exist, and have been recorded in literature, but I tend to put pretty much anyone who identifies as 'transabled' in the same category as Therian (I'm an animal trapped in a human body) and Otherkin, the latter of which can be summed up by the following semi paraphrased conversation: "I am spiritually a dragon; however some people claim to know that I am wrong. There is nothing wrong with me just because I believe that I am spiritually something other than human" ..."Er, dude, I'm pretty sure you're not a dragon"...."Yes, I am, spiritually I am a dragon trapped in a human body"..."Yeah, dude, no"...And insert several more back and forth rapidly escalating arguments all culminating in the now internet famous phrase "EFF YOU I'M A DRAGON!"

In other words, it's a subtype of special snowflake syndrome.
 
*Very minor SPOILER of the last episode of Mad Men*

I think we tend to think humans are more normal than they are. "Queer as folk" is an expression I like.

This doesn't quite fit here, but there's a thing going on in culture that I wanted to talk about and I'm not even sure how to put into words. So, there have been a number of high-profile people publicly transition to another gender. And everything has changed so rapidly from when I was a teenager. As a teenager I identified as gay, and I lived in a town where being gay was about as bad as being the Devil. In my lifetime, people's attitudes toward people who identify as gay has changed so quickly and even more quickly now for people who are transgendered. But there is something where there is this obsession about using the right pronouns (as in its a news story if someone uses the wrong pronoun about a person who publicly transitioned the day before), the obsession about treating people the right way that feels insincere to me. It feels more perfunctory.

I didn't live in the 60s or 70s, but I have this feeling that when things were changing then, maybe due to culture or maybe due to drugs (and in my mind due to the medial portrayals I've seen of that time), there was more soul in the change. This doesn't feel that way to me. It feels like people want to be right for the sake of being on the right side of the issue, and it feels like there isn't that underlying "hippie peace tolerance" for those who haven't caught up yet. Instead it feels mindless and reactive when people who aren't on board with these changes are attacked. I'm on the progressive side. I don't know if that's the right word--I don't really have a word for myself. I've always voted for Democratic candidates but I don't consider myself a Democrat. But I really like talking to people who are in a different place than I am. I don't want to shut them down. Maybe it's just wistful nostalgia of movies and TV shows I've seen about the 60s and 70s, but it felt like there were principles that were underneath the change that had more of an inclusive feel. In my mind's eye for example, I can imagine a naked hippie in the 70s covered in mud hugging some pastor who protesting whatever the hippie's cause was (not a great example, but something akin to that). I'm thinking of Mad Men in particular and that encounter group in the final episode. It seems like social change went hand-in-hand with a connectedness of everyone.

I guess it all just feels sterile and by the numbers today. I don't know--do these perceptions grab anyone else?
 
I don't know--do these perceptions grab anyone else?

Yes, they do. Unfortunately I have some extra strong pain meds kicking in and I can't quite articulate how they grab me, but I do get what you're saying. Let me come back to this when I'm a little more compis mentis (sp?), I just wanted to take the time regardless to say that I get where you're coming from. I mean I'm cisgendered, but I have transgender, and gender queer friends who have very graciously shared a very personal part of their lives with me so I get what you're saying and where you're coming from.
 
Given how glitchy our internal representations of our bodies are and how easily our perceptions of what is and is not attached to us can be manipulated, it really shouldn't be surprising that sometimes these representations are not at all isomorphic to the physical facts of the case.
 
One other thing I've noticed with regard to transgenderism is that the way it is currently manifesting to me seems to constrict gender roles even more. It seems more binary than ever. I only have one friend who is transgendered and she is very "girly." If I say something like that I decided to paint my toenails for fun with my sister when I was at the beach, she'll ask me if I think that I could be a woman (she is a bit different in some ways--I don't know the exact diagnoses, but she's definitely different--she says sort of shocking things out of the blue and has difficulty thinking about things outside her frame of refernece). I personally don't strongly identify as male or female, but I am biologically male (I actually know I'm XY because I had a test for Kleinfelter's due to my extremely low testosterone along with some other strange symptoms). Anyhow, for her, it's hard to understand how I could want to do "girly" things without identifying myself as female. I saw a clip for Caitlin Jenner's new reality show and she was saying something about she sympathizes with women more now because she never knew how much work make-up is. That's perfectly good, but it does, I think represent more of a shift to a binary, constricted gender roles. Because of course people who identify as male or who don't identify as anything can use make up. And of course women don't have to use make up. That goes along with what I was saying before that it feels like there is less of a free to be you and me type vibe and more of a by the numbers feel to things lately.

I'm not a sociologist, but I do know gender roles have constricted and expanded over time in a non-linear way. Have we entered a constricting period?
 
Do you guys have a dude whose job is to sit at a desk with a thesaurus and come up with names for disorders?

No, but we do have a lot of intellectual masturbation about what does and doesn't classify as a disorder/subdivision of a disorder/whatever. Just give me the damn ICD and let me treat the underlying symptoms and causes.
 
One other thing I've noticed with regard to transgenderism is that the way it is currently manifesting to me seems to constrict gender roles even more. It seems more binary than ever. I only have one friend who is transgendered and she is very "girly." If I say something like that I decided to paint my toenails for fun with my sister when I was at the beach, she'll ask me if I think that I could be a woman (she is a bit different in some ways--I don't know the exact diagnoses, but she's definitely different--she says sort of shocking things out of the blue and has difficulty thinking about things outside her frame of refernece). I personally don't strongly identify as male or female, but I am biologically male (I actually know I'm XY because I had a test for Kleinfelter's due to my extremely low testosterone along with some other strange symptoms). Anyhow, for her, it's hard to understand how I could want to do "girly" things without identifying myself as female. I saw a clip for Caitlin Jenner's new reality show and she was saying something about she sympathizes with women more now because she never knew how much work make-up is. That's perfectly good, but it does, I think represent more of a shift to a binary, constricted gender roles. Because of course people who identify as male or who don't identify as anything can use make up. And of course women don't have to use make up. That goes along with what I was saying before that it feels like there is less of a free to be you and me type vibe and more of a by the numbers feel to things lately.

I'm not a sociologist, but I do know gender roles have constricted and expanded over time in a non-linear way. Have we entered a constricting period?

Obviously not quite the same, as it's a matter of sexuality rather than gender, but see also bi-erasure.
 
One other thing I've noticed with regard to transgenderism is that the way it is currently manifesting to me seems to constrict gender roles even more. It seems more binary than ever. I only have one friend who is transgendered and she is very "girly." If I say something like that I decided to paint my toenails for fun with my sister when I was at the beach, she'll ask me if I think that I could be a woman (she is a bit different in some ways--I don't know the exact diagnoses, but she's definitely different--she says sort of shocking things out of the blue and has difficulty thinking about things outside her frame of refernece). I personally don't strongly identify as male or female, but I am biologically male (I actually know I'm XY because I had a test for Kleinfelter's due to my extremely low testosterone along with some other strange symptoms). Anyhow, for her, it's hard to understand how I could want to do "girly" things without identifying myself as female. I saw a clip for Caitlin Jenner's new reality show and she was saying something about she sympathizes with women more now because she never knew how much work make-up is. That's perfectly good, but it does, I think represent more of a shift to a binary, constricted gender roles. Because of course people who identify as male or who don't identify as anything can use make up. And of course women don't have to use make up. That goes along with what I was saying before that it feels like there is less of a free to be you and me type vibe and more of a by the numbers feel to things lately.

I'm not a sociologist, but I do know gender roles have constricted and expanded over time in a non-linear way. Have we entered a constricting period?

Obviously not quite the same, as it's a matter of sexuality rather than gender, but see also bi-erasure.

I do think there is more of a trend towards constriction of gender and gender identity, and I think that constriction has coincided with a greater visibility and understanding within and by mainstream stream society when it comes to transgender awareness. Now transgender awareness in itself is not a bad thing, but considering it has also been something that until quite recently was very hidden and misunderstood, the steps that are being taken now to raise awareness amongst the general public is kind of like having to strip a concept down to its simplest form in order to explain it to a giant societally collective toddler who's only just grasping the power of basic speech. Of course the flipside of that is you then have this mainstream representation of transgender individuals conforming to a strict binary of gender expression, and that's the images younger transgender people are exposed to. I have a few female to male transgender friends who have chosen to buck societal gender norms by wearing make up and even performing in drag shows. Trying to explain that a man who was born as a biological woman wishes to wear make up and even dress up as a woman for a theatrical performances, after they've transitioned with hormones and surgery to align their body with their gender identity has almost blown the heads off people I know who are non heterosexually identified and have at least some contact with the transgender community - if they have trouble understanding gender identity as a non binary construct, how much more difficult is it for the average person on the street to try and understand anything beyond the level of 'girls wear pink, boys wear blue'.

As for bisexual erasure, I see this happening on a couple of levels. Of course you have segments of both the straight and gay communities thinking you're confused, you need to pick a side, the whole stupid notion of 'bi now, gay later' as if there's a binary of attraction that goes from straight to gay with absolutely nothing inbetween. And then of course you also have the same segments assuming you've suddenly turned straight or gay depending on the gender of the partner you're with. Beyond that though there's also this somewhat more recent notion that being bisexual, or identifying as such, means that you are reinforcing the gender binary to the exclusion of those who don't necessarily fit what a lot of people see as the parameters of male or female - this idea that if you are attracted to people outside the binary of gender then you have to identify as something other than bisexual. Now if people feel as if something other than bisexual describes their particular sexual orientation better for them as an individual, that's fine, but when you start trying to police the identity of others because you believe certain identities of sexual orientation are exclusionary or even transphobic, that's when I have a problem.
 
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