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I've seen a lot of threads about board prep and have a general grasp on what to get. However, what about books for classes, like if we want a little more than class handouts for the different subjects.

do you recommend any specific books, and can you say which subject they are best for? I've heard costanzo for physio and BRS for biochem, but i'd like to get a better idea about books for classes that isn't from 2004 ( search function, lol) . Thanks alot.
 
You really shouldn't spend much time learning in greater depth than your class notes, so I would get 0 books. With that being said, I had the Kaplan series for the usmle which was absolutely awesome. I got it for free but you might be able to find one online for cheap. No info has changed since like 2005. Save your $.
 
You really shouldn't spend much time learning in greater depth than your class notes, so I would get 0 books. With that being said, I had the Kaplan series for the usmle which was absolutely awesome. I got it for free but you might be able to find one online for cheap. No info has changed since like 2005. Save your $.

Based on your post in the other thread, I'm assuming you go to MSUCOM. If that is the case, would you recommend we at least get an anatomy atlas, and then wait to see on the other books? Would you say that the course packs are sufficient?
 
Damn I should have created a poll 🙁. Don't know how on mobile lol. I find your advice both amazing and questionable, because I hear so much great stuff about BRS and costanzo. Can some more people chime in for a better consensus ?
 
Don't get any books prior to the start of class. Most of the time, you will barely have time to read any of it on top of your coursework. I would just get First Aid and use it as a reference to see what material from each class/section correlates with the important points listed in FA. Other than that, I would only recommend BRS for physio.
 
One of the big mental blocks I see in my own school is the "I'm not touching a book" mentality.

One thing I've noticed of many high performers in my class: they read. No one expects you to read material that isn't relevant, but there are several good books out there for a variety of the subjects. At my school, it is pretty common to see 5-15% of test material that comes straight from the recommended readings. We also have several classes where they provide "suggested" supplementary resources such as USMLE/COMLEX style questions books. Pro tip: I've had entire exams that very closely mimic the style and material covered in those books. One of the problems with many subjects in medical school is translating what is presented into what is testable. The common link is that medical school exams tend to very heavily focus on what is clinically important. Ok, you say, that makes sense. Duh. The problem is then translating it into exactly how it will be questioned. The question books are good sources and many faculty tend to copy the premise of the questions.

Next, PPT slides and class notes depend heavily on the competence of the faculty member putting the resources together. There is a big difference between being an active, engaged presenter and being able to properly develop a PPT presentation. We have one entire department at my school where the information in the PPT is so simplified that you could never walk way with a good understanding of the material. You absolutely have to read if you want to perform well on the exam because, surprise, they test the material at a level of difficulty to be expected on the boards.

Finally, do not buy every single recommended text. You probably don't even need to buy every required text. I would recommend buying at least one major textbook in every subject you study, if only for reference. Costanzo or Guyton for physiology and a copy of Robbins (pathology) is a must. There are several good biochemistry texts and I'd recommend buying one (probably the suggest text), especially given how often the subject reappears in each system. Buy an anatomy text and atlas. The Haines neuro atlas is a must in my mind. BRS physio is good and it's a resource that I reference pretty routinely. Pathoma is a good investment. Some of the individual systems cover material in such a way that a textbook can be useless, so you have to evaluate those resources on a case by case basis. If you're in a lecture-based school, textbooks are most useful if the professor closely follows their layout, so as to reinforce information.
 
One of the big mental blocks I see in my own school is the "I'm not touching a book" mentality.

One thing I've noticed of many high performers in my class: they read. No one expects you to read material that isn't relevant, but there are several good books out there for a variety of the subjects. At my school, it is pretty common to see 5-15% of test material that comes straight from the recommended readings. We also have several classes where they provide "suggested" supplementary resources such as USMLE/COMLEX style questions books. Pro tip: I've had entire exams that very closely mimic the style and material covered in those books. One of the problems with many subjects in medical school is translating what is presented into what is testable. The common link is that medical school exams tend to very heavily focus on what is clinically important. Ok, you say, that makes sense. Duh. The problem is then translating it into exactly how it will be questioned. The question books are good sources and many faculty tend to copy the premise of the questions.

Next, PPT slides and class notes depend heavily on the competence of the faculty member putting the resources together. There is a big difference between being an active, engaged presenter and being able to properly develop a PPT presentation. We have one entire department at my school where the information in the PPT is so simplified that you could never walk way with a good understanding of the material. You absolutely have to read if you want to perform well on the exam because, surprise, they test the material at a level of difficulty to be expected on the boards.

Finally, do not buy every single recommended text. You probably don't even need to buy every required text. I would recommend buying at least one major textbook in every subject you study, if only for reference. Costanzo or Guyton for physiology and a copy of Robbins (pathology) is a must. There are several good biochemistry texts and I'd recommend buying one (probably the suggest text), especially given how often the subject reappears in each system. Buy an anatomy text and atlas. The Haines neuro atlas is a must in my mind. BRS physio is good and it's a resource that I reference pretty routinely. Pathoma is a good investment. Some of the individual systems cover material in such a way that a textbook can be useless, so you have to evaluate those resources on a case by case basis. If you're in a lecture-based school, textbooks are most useful if the professor closely follows their layout, so as to reinforce information.
Thanks. I appreciate that a lot! There seems to be a 50/50 answer to this question.
 
Based on your post in the other thread, I'm assuming you go to MSUCOM. If that is the case, would you recommend we at least get an anatomy atlas, and then wait to see on the other books? Would you say that the course packs are sufficient?

you should get a free copy of Netter when you start classes. some people like Netter and some people do not. I was a big fan of Netter.

You are going to be extremely pressured into buying Thieme. It is unnecessary. I finished in the top of the class with Netter, a PDF of Rohen, and ol' Wikipedia.

I have yet to purchase a single book...despite how much the professors pressure you into purchasing them.
 
Huge supporter of reading Constanzo. It's the only textbook I've ever read cover to cover and thought I gained a lot from it. I think BRS Physio is a must as well.

For anatomy, I would highly recommend Gray's Clinical Review for a question bank and BRS Anatomy as well. Netter was my go to for an atlas as well and as was said above, it came with joining something (SOMA maybe?) the first week of school.

For biochem, I personally did not enjoy BRS biochem. I have read the BRS books for all other subjects though and have found them helpful. For histo, I used UVA Histology website for images.

Once it comes path time, I would do Pathoma vids and I have liked Goljan RR Path so far. It's a very quick to move through. I own a copy of FA but haven't found it too helpful for M1 material because the details on tests are way more in depth than what you're seeing in FA. I think it's better for moving into second year, but there are many, many students that disagree and I don't think this holds if you have a systems based curriculum from the start.

I suggest trying a free trial of Firecracker if you want to start reviewing material once you've acclimated. If I could restart first year, I would have started banking FC from the beginning.

I would hold off on purchasing these though, as many of the sources I used were PDF copies.
 
Yeah surgeDO is closer to preclerkship than I am, so I'd defer the question that way. Scribes, for me, were instrumental to success. I'd buy those or be a scribe/auditor so that you get them for free and can make some $ on the side.
 
My Netter's arrived in the mail today. May it help lead me to good results.
 
My Netter's arrived in the mail today. May it help lead me to good results.

treat it well. it is sort of funny how medical students fall into groups or classifications on which anatomy atlas they use. i am a Netter supporter.

if you really fall in love with Netter, you should look up the history behind Dr. Netter--pretty interesting how his career came to be.
 
treat it well. it is sort of funny how medical students fall into groups or classifications on which anatomy atlas they use. i am a Netter supporter.

if you really fall in love with Netter, you should look up the history behind Dr. Netter--pretty interesting how his career came to be.

I felt like I should have wrapped mine in a ceremonial scented cloth after gross finished. After all the hours I poured into that book, I felt an odd connection with it. It really is an amazing collection of art. Huge supporter here as well.
 
I felt like I should have wrapped mine in a ceremonial scented cloth after gross finished. After all the hours I poured into that book, I felt an odd connection with it. It really is an amazing collection of art. Huge supporter here as well.
After these posts, I will get netters. I just have to now lol
 
I'm doing Netter's for overview before lab (spatial relationships/rough idea what to look for) and I have a copy of Rohen's Color Atlas for after lab and to study for practicals. I think that combo should work well.
 
I'm planning on buying the anatomy books. Everything else seems to be wasteful if you're using your class ppt and FA.
 
I'm planning on buying the anatomy books. Everything else seems to be wasteful if you're using your class ppt and FA.

I would really recommend BRS physio at least. It's important to get a solid foundation in physio as it applies for all of second year.
 
Brs physiology, rapid review pathology, color atlas of anatomy, Savarese for omm and first aid are all you need
 
Brs physiology, rapid review pathology, color atlas of anatomy, Savarese for omm and first aid are all you need

I have Rapid Review Pathology as well and it looks amazing! I like the bullet point format that you can annotate.
 
Brs physiology, rapid review pathology, color atlas of anatomy, Savarese for omm and first aid are all you need

Savarese has way to many errors for my liking

BRS was awesome for Neuro and Gross
 
I really like Goljan's Rapid Review of Pathology....can anyone compare it to Pathoma?
 
I really like Goljan's Rapid Review of Pathology....can anyone compare it to Pathoma?

Goljan's has more detail. I like it a lot too and it's a quick read.

Pathoma is great for the videos, in my opinion. They are very clear and high yield. Great for a first pass of the material or reviewing for step 1. I would use it before my class material and Goljan's. The videos are great for linking multiple subjects together as well and easily watched on 1.75X.
 
Goljan's has more detail. I like it a lot too and it's a quick read.

Pathoma is great for the videos, in my opinion. They are very clear and high yield. Great for a first pass of the material or reviewing for step 1. I would use it before my class material and Goljan's. The videos are great for linking multiple subjects together as well and easily watched on 1.75X.

So get both?
 
I've seen a lot of threads about board prep and have a general grasp on what to get. However, what about books for classes, like if we want a little more than class handouts for the different subjects.

do you recommend any specific books, and can you say which subject they are best for? I've heard costanzo for physio and BRS for biochem, but i'd like to get a better idea about books for classes that isn't from 2004 ( search function, lol) . Thanks alot.

None. If you won't use it for reference during board prep you don't need to get it.

If you think you'll have time for coursework, board prep/review, and "more than class handouts" on top of that you're dreaming. Most people have trouble balancing coursework and board prep/review as it is.
 
So get both?

From what I gather and have been told, pathoma is now considered a must have along with First Aid and UWorld for board prep. Getting a start with pathoma seems like a good plan to me but it also depends on your class set up.

For path, my class materials are severely lacking and outside sources are mandatory. For that reason, pathoma from the start was a no brainier. If I was you, I'd get a few vids from a friend or upperclassman and see what you think.
 
I've heard a lot of people recommend getting Costanzo for Physiology.

Would you guys recommend getting the BRS series or the full-length for class? (Sorry if that's a dumb question - keeping track of all these resources is super confusing)
 
I've heard that BRS Physio + Costanzo Physio (G&H is too big - ain't nobody got time for that) is the way to go for phys

Pathoma + Median Robbins (like G&H, Big Robbins is too darn big) + Rapid Review is the way to go for Pathology

MS-1s and 2s feel free to correct this MS-0
 
BRS for Physiology is really the way to go. And for first year, I would recommend pathoma -try to preview the lectures before that topic (although, admittedly I never had time to do this). At our school, pathology is incorporated into the systems curriculum of second year, so I will likely be using it more. Other than that, I wouldn't recommend anything else. You will just not have enough time. First year is jam packed with material and it is hard enough as it is to keep up with the schoolwork.

Most of my classmates tried to use BRS and incorporate it onto of our class material. It is a nice overview of everything and points out the key points. But even with that, phys is so jam packed with info that it can be hard to always use BRS.
 
I've heard a lot of people recommend getting Costanzo for Physiology.

Would you guys recommend getting the BRS series or the full-length for class? (Sorry if that's a dumb question - keeping track of all these resources is super confusing)

I personally recommend full-length Constanzo and BRS for physio.
 
From what I gather and have been told, pathoma is now considered a must have along with First Aid and UWorld for board prep. Getting a start with pathoma seems like a good plan to me but it also depends on your class set up.

For path, my class materials are severely lacking and outside sources are mandatory. For that reason, pathoma from the start was a no brainier. If I was you, I'd get a few vids from a friend or upperclassman and see what you think.

In your opinion, would FC be sufficient since the material is taken out of the FA or is having the actual FA book a must?
 
In your opinion, would FC be sufficient since the material is taken out of the FA or is having the actual FA book a must?

It's true that FC is essentially quotes from FA and Goljan's RR. It's becoming a better and better resource and they're working on a serious USMLE qbank. I'm a big supporter.

I started using FA for select classes in first year (micro and path) and it's very helpful. I don't think it's a must first year (2nd year it is). All the details are in FC though too. I still like a paper book for annotating and reading. My plan is to use school resources and FA (as well as others) for learning/consolidation and use FC for the daily questions/review. It can be a solid learning tool though.
 
It's true that FC is essentially quotes from FA and Goljan's RR. It's becoming a better and better resource and they're working on a serious USMLE qbank. I'm a big supporter.

I started using FA for select classes in first year (micro and path) and it's very helpful. I don't think it's a must first year (2nd year it is). All the details are in FC though too. I still like a paper book for annotating and reading. My plan is to use school resources and FA (as well as others) for learning/consolidation and use FC for the daily questions/review. It can be a solid learning tool though.

Thank you!

Btw, did you start using FC from day one?
 
Yeah I agree with Dr. Ender. I started using FC 2 months ago after my buddy started using it religiously after first semester. I honestly wish I would have started day 1. You can always devote an hour out of your day to try and answer your "review questions", and just flag topics that you cover in class prior to or immediately after an exam. That way, it keeps coming up in FC and you will actually retain it. It is a nice break from the viscious cram and purge cycle and it actually feels like you are learning. I wish I started day one.
 
I wish - I started over winter break. There's an obscene amount of anatomy to bank.
Yeah I agree with Dr. Ender. I started using FC 2 months ago after my buddy started using it religiously after first semester. I honestly wish I would have started day 1. You can always devote an hour out of your day to try and answer your "review questions", and just flag topics that you cover in class prior to or immediately after an exam. That way, it keeps coming up in FC and you will actually retain it. It is a nice break from the viscious cram and purge cycle and it actually feels like you are learning. I wish I started day one.

Thank you guys!

I start school in less than two months and I like to plan my things ahead of time.

I'm wondering though, how do you guys find he time to do FC and watch pathoma while still having enough time and energy to pass your courses. I also read that DrEnderW is involved in research which must consume at least another 10 hours a week, at least.
 
Thank you guys!

I start school in less than two months and I like to plan my things ahead of time.

I'm wondering though, how do you guys find he time to do FC and watch pathoma while still having enough time and energy to pass your courses. I also read that DrEnderW is involved in research which must consume at least another 10 hours a week, at least.
Wow you guys start early lol. Or maybe I start late. I start in mid August
 
I'm wondering though, how do you guys find he time to do FC and watch pathoma while still having enough time and energy to pass your courses. I also read that DrEnderW is involved in research which must consume at least another 10 hours a week, at least.

To be honest, I do the majority of my FC during lulls in class, in between classes, and during breaks on campus. I have exams every Monday so don't touch it Sat and Sun. Once you get quick, it's no prob to do 100+ questions a day. Some questions take <10 seconds.

For pathoma, I watch on 1.75X and the vids are pretty short. It's no major time sync and is very beneficial.

In regards to research, everything I've done during the year has been writing lit reviews, writing up past data, and recycling old poster presentations. I'm not starting a major clinical project until the end of semester/summer. Without lab time, it hasn't been a major time commitment either and I do the bulk on off test weekends.

There's definitely time to do FC, hit the high yield resources, have an outside interest or two, and be at the top of the class if that's your goal. It's busy as **** but doable. Don't start spreading yourself thin until you are where you want to be academically.
 
Thank you guys!

I start school in less than two months and I like to plan my things ahead of time.

I'm wondering though, how do you guys find he time to do FC and watch pathoma while still having enough time and energy to pass your courses. I also read that DrEnderW is involved in research which must consume at least another 10 hours a week, at least.

I ordered pathoma but didn't have much time to use it. I think I only watched his first two lectures. But our Pathology class was short and I will likely use it more next semester when we go into path in our systems courses

You can do FC in between classes, or labs, or in between meetings or school functions, when there is nothing really going on or you have some extra time to kill. Sometimes I get so sick of studying whatever it is we are going over in school that I will take a break and just do my questions for that day. I try to just flag the topics before or immediately after an exam. It's not like I am studying for boards like the second years. I just try to answer my review questions daily so that the material that we just covered in class repeatedly comes over and over in FC until I have retained it. Otherwise, I would just be cramming and purging - which is essentially what happened first year and what the majority of med school feels like.

But you are right, timing is really an issue. You seldom have time to use multiple resource - which is why most first years you talk to will recommend you don't buy any books ahead of time. I don't do research and I cant imagine doing that, on top of FC, pathoma, and still having time to read from, say, big costanzo.
 
I just purchased Costanzo Physiology and will purchase BRS Phys when it comes out in May. These are sufficient even if your school lists Guyton and Hall, correct? I have heard that book is way too detailed.
 
I am assuming FC is full length Costanzo

That's a good guess but it stands for Firecracker. If you haven't heard of it, it's a massive program that allows you to study high yield facts and then presents you daily questions based on your past performance in those subjects.
 
That's a good guess but it stands for Firecracker. If you haven't heard of it, it's a massive program that allows you to study high yield facts and then presents you daily questions based on your past performance in those subjects.

What anatomy dissector did you use?

Also unrelated: When you went through the books and the material did you type your notes or did you write them? What was your system?
 
Books I still use from time to time:
  • Netter's
  • Rohen's Color Atlas--Most helpful during anatomy lab since real muscles aren't color coded. 🙂
  • Constanza Physiology--Used BRS as kind of an overview, but if you understand Costanza, you should be fine for any exam.
  • Pathoma
  • Green Savarese
  • Bates Guide to Physical Diagnosis
  • Micro Made Ridiculously Simple
  • Goljan
I think using Gunner Training or those types of "pre-board review" depends on the individual. I signed up for it, never used it. Thought it was too nitpicky and never correlated with what was emphasized for the test. If you are disciplined enough to use it every day for two years, you deserve a cookie.

I had friends who kept FA for Step 1. They are insane. I threw that crap out as soon as I got my score back. YMMV.
 
What anatomy dissector did you use?

Also unrelated: When you went through the books and the material did you type your notes or did you write them? What was your system?

We used Grant's Dissector but I actually didn't spend much time with a dissector at all. I did try and learn the structures very well with Netters beforehand.

I generally did not take notes from textbooks. Instead, I used them for learning the concepts thoroughly as a first pass or to solidify my knowledge before exams. Exam questions at my school are primarily from lecture material in most classes,so I took handwritten notes from the ppt slides and created a study packet for every exam. I would go over that packet about 5X before each exam and do a quick read through BRS for physio, histo/cell, and neuro. Having a packet instead of flipping though slides allows me to make more passes than I otherwise could. This method has worked extremely well for me, but I am sure everyone is different.
 
We used Grant's Dissector but I actually didn't spend much time with a dissector at all. I did try and learn the structures very well with Netters beforehand.

I generally did not take notes from textbooks. Instead, I used them for learning the concepts thoroughly as a first pass or to solidify my knowledge before exams. Exam questions at my school are primarily from lecture material in most classes,so I took handwritten notes from the ppt slides and created a study packet for every exam. I would go over that packet about 5X before each exam and do a quick read through BRS for physio, histo/cell, and neuro. Having a packet instead of flipping though slides allows me to make more passes than I otherwise could. This method has worked extremely well for me, but I am sure everyone is different.

So basically a run through with textbooks/Pathoma videos, study/annotate lecture notes, and type up things you feel will appear on the exam as you go through the block for that month or so. When the block is over, study your typed info several times (5x). Rinse and repeat for other blocks...correct?
 
So basically a run through with textbooks/Pathoma videos, study/annotate lecture notes, and type up things you feel will appear on the exam as you go through the block for that month or so. When the block is over, study your typed info several times (5x). Rinse and repeat for other blocks...correct?

That's about right. I personally prefer handwritten notes, but that's just my own weird thing. It isn't as time efficient but I don't want to change what works. I go to a school where there are tests essentially every Monday so that process happens almost every weekend.
 
Just another quick word about FC. While much (not all) of FC is directly out of FA, there are many topics that are spread over many pages in FA and FC consolidates all this into one card pertaining to that topic. For example, there is info about S.pyogenes on FA pages 150, 250, and 350 (those page numbers are made up), but FC puts all of it on one card called "S.pyogenes". So instead of having to look through the FA index to read everything about S.pyogenes, you just need to read the FC card.

I probably could've explained that better, but I hope you get the point. FC consolidates info and makes it much easier to review things all at once.
 
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