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Hi everyone, I posted this in the 'invites' thread but it got buried there so I thought I'd start a new thread to see if anyone had any info.

Can someone explain to me the differences between these programs?

Harvard Longwood
Harvard MGH
Harvard South Shore
Cambridge

I only applied to MGH and Longwood, and now I'm regretting Longwood because it doesn't seem as research-oriented as I would like. What are the other two like? I couldn't even find the homepages for their programs.
 
Harvard Longwood: Combined program between Brigham & Women's and Beth Israel. Strong clinically w/ good fellowship placement in child and consult-liason; Higher workload than cambridge but slightly less than MGH. Good for clinical research b/c of Brigham (but not basic science). Definitely does NOT have financial problems as it is now a Partners Healthcare program like MGH (residency program is managed through the Brigham which has $). One of the bigger programs w/ 15 people. Folks tend to be pretty normal and friendly. A good intermediate between MGH and Cambridge programs in terms of environment and residents. Not as intense or prestigious as MGH.

MGH/Mclean: Combined MGH and Mclean (private psych hospital). Strong research (basic/clinical) wise w/ good clinical training. You WILL work hard here (highest workload of the 4 programs w/pagers that have to be on 24/7) and some of the residents seemed pretty tired. Very good consult liasion and medicine training. Good fellowship placement. People who tend to go here can be a lot more gunnerish, intense, & less friendly. On the interview trail, people tended to love (rank it first) or hate the program (rank it last of the boston programs). Depends a lot on what your priorities are. Best if you definitely want to be an academic; if you are not sure, then longwood is probably the better bet as it has more resources than cambridge. This is also a big program w/ 16 residents.

South Shore: Not actually in Boston. More VA-based; Significantly lower tier program than the other 3. Mostly IMGs. Don't know much more about it.

Cambridge: Smaller program (8 residents) with strong emphasis on community psych and therapy training, not so great for medicine/consult liason b/c it is based out of a community hospital. Residents seemed the happiest (and most liberal, less "conventional") of the Harvard programs w/ lighter schedule and workload. Tend to feel home-y as the program is smaller than the other two. Residency is unionized which just wouldn't fly with the other programs. Wonderful program director who is super friendly. Okay for clinical research but not basic science. People who rank this first tend to hate the MGH mentality. If strong psychotherapy training, OR a very relaxed environment, is a priority for you, this is the best of the 4 programs.

In general, it seems like people tended to self-select where they end up. The Longwood/MGH/Cambridge programs are all prestigious with good training (and good pay!). In the end, you can't go wrong; it's more reflective of what you are looking for. Hope this helps
 
I'm a Longwood resident, and I agree almost entirely with sopsyched's assessment. Here would be my caveats... first off, "strong psychotherapy training" is present at all 3 programs. Each of the 3 pay far more than lip service to teaching and training in the various modalities of psychotherapy, and each of the 3 have many, wonderful supervisors ranging from analysts and existentialists to DBT and CBT specialists. If you want to be the best psychotherapist that you can be (after 4 years - which is a ridiculously short training period in psychotherapy), you cannot go wrong with any of these programs. So, I wouldn't agree with the statement, "If strong psychotherapy training is a priority for you, ... Cambridge is the best of the 4." And I'm not taking ANYTHING away from Cambridge - it's a truly special place, and the residents there do seem to love their experience.

A clarification about research... there is important, well-funded research in both the basic neurosciences and in the more clinical aspects of the field going on at Beth Israel and Mass Mental Health Center (both part of Longwood). Also, anyone who is thinking about coming to Boston should keep in mind that ANY research lab in the city would love to take on an interested psychiatry resident - why wouldn't they!? We're a relatively-knowledgeable source of free manpower (or womanpower) who knows how to work hard. My research advisors at Longwood know all sorts of top people at McLean and Cambridge and Boston Medical Center (BU), and they're more than willing to call their contacts at these places if my interests take me in these directions. With all of the faculty moving from one place to another, it's not nearly as territorial as I was led to believe when I was applying to programs. That being said, at my program, in particular, it's rare for a resident to publish significantly in years 1-3 because the clinical demands are so high (NOT because the opportunities are not there).

All in all, I echo sopsyched's statement that the residents at these programs very much self-select. I'd venture to say that at least 90% of the residents at each of these programs had their respective program ranked #1 going into the Match (and this happens at a number of non-Harvard programs as well, I should add). There's no clear consensus as to which is "the best" - you just have to go interview and see where you feel most comfortable.
 
(I accidentally posted the previous message twice - my bad.)
 
anybody know anything about these programs?
 
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