Brown vs. NYU

[Jaymaster]

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Here's my situation. I was accepted to NYU several weeks ago off the waitlist and was ready to attend. The other day I got into Brown off their waitlist. I was wondering if you could give me some input as to which I should favor.

I went to Brown as an undergrad, so I'm not positive I want to stay in Providence over NYC. Also, I'm thinking of specializing in radiology. I do like how Brown has a small class and seems to be up and coming though.

Thanks in advance.

 

[silas2642]

Here's my situation. I was accepted to NYU several weeks ago off the waitlist and was ready to attend. The other day I got into Brown off their waitlist. I was wondering if you could give me some input as to which I should favor.

I went to Brown as an undergrad, so I'm not positive I want to stay in Providence over NYC. Also, I'm thinking of specializing in radiology. I do like how Brown has a small class and seems to be up and coming though.

Thanks in advance.

These two schools just strike me as being really, really different. I guess that you really need to sit down and think about what's really important to you. Where would you rather be, in NYC or Providence for the next four years? What are the two schools offering you in terms of financial aid? What was your impression of the schools when you visited them on your interview? How does the curriculum of the schools differ, and which environment do you think you would do better in? Definitely don't base your decision on whether or not one school would give you a leg up in radiology over the other; chances are you're going to change your mind on what specialty you enter and what is really important is that you choose a school where you will excel.

 

[bigman43]

nyu blows. im an undergrad there. the city isnt all that hyped up as you might imagine.

brown is an ivy, ull have more opp. there vs. nyu, plus Cost of living will be cheaper.

brown all the way. no brainer.

 

[Finian]

Ditto Bigman43. Brown>NYU in a heartbeat . . . unless you are truly done with Providence.

 

[Vizsla]

nyu blows. im an undergrad there. the city isnt all that hyped up as you might imagine.

brown is an ivy, ull have more opp. there vs. nyu, plus Cost of living will be cheaper.

brown all the way. no brainer.

i have a few friends at nyu and they seem to enjoy the diversity of the patient population and research opportunities. as for brown being an ivy college, that doesnt really transfer to its reputation as a med school. both have equally impressive match lists. if you do well, you would have no prob matching into radiology from either school. i think the decision comes down to location.

 

[pandulce321]

My boyfriend just finished his first year at Brown. He loves it and will actually be TA-ing Anatomy lab next year. If you want to PM me with questions for him, he'd be more than happy to answer them. Good luck with your decision!

 

[bigman43]

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[Packamylase]

it shouldnt matter for you mr. v ... seing that you are going to VCU for DO, shouldnt u be in the DO forum?

VCU is Virginia Commonwealth University and is an M.D. program. Also, graduating from a D.O. program does not exclude you from becoming a radiologist.

 

[bigman43]

johnny, are you KIDDING ME?

how is NYUMED different from NYU??????? its in the same damn city, few blocks up. its 60k a year. please, dont assume ****. NYU premeds have a better shot at NYUMED than any other students. its a fact. idk what you are talking about.

 

[Catdoctor]

johnny, are you KIDDING ME?

how is NYUMED different from NYU??????? its in the same damn city, few blocks up. its 60k a year. please, dont assume ****. NYU premeds have a better shot at NYUMED than any other students. its a fact. idk what you are talking about.

Is this a serious question?? We're supposed to believe that an undergraduate and graduate program has the same benefits, faults, etc. just because it carries the same name?

There are so many examples to the contrary: Baylor undergrad vs. Baylor med, Cornell, U of Colorado, etc.
And don't say that its the same because its in the same city. Just because you can see the Manhattan skyline from both places, doesn't mean that the atmosphere, student community, educational opportunities, whatever, are the same.

I would personally choose NYU over Brown because of the greater opportunities, and simply because I want to experience another city besides where I spent my undergrad.
And just because NYU undergrads are the most represented in NYC med, have you considered that its because many NYU undergrads would want to APPLY to their own grad school because they know firsthand of its many advantages??

 

[h0bbes]

johnny, are you KIDDING ME?

how is NYUMED different from NYU??????? its in the same damn city, few blocks up. its 60k a year. please, dont assume ****. NYU premeds have a better shot at NYUMED than any other students. its a fact. idk what you are talking about.

NYU med is on a completely different level of academic caliber than NYU undergrad. New School is on the NYU campus, yet that doesn't make it the same as NYU. Typically, only the top notch NYU pre-meds (close to 4.0 GPAs and 35+ MCATs) are accepted into NYU med.

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

i have a few friends at nyu and they seem to enjoy the diversity of the patient population and research opportunities. as for brown being an ivy college, that doesnt really transfer to its reputation as a med school. both have equally impressive match lists. if you do well, you would have no prob matching into radiology from either school. i think the decision comes down to location.

agree that they'll both serve you equally well.

What are you talking about? NYU undergrad has nothing to do with NYU med - NYU is one of those places where the undergrads are rarely smart enough to get into the grad schools (NYU law and med are top notch). Brown is mainly for BS/MD students - only a few spots open up for people to apply for the MD alone. On US News, NYU has a better peer assessment score and they have almost the same rating for residency assessment - the two numbers that matter the most. If you want to get a good shot at New York residencies, NYU is a better bet because it will let you network in the city. Also for clinical experience, it's hard to beat Bellevue. As for NYC being "hyped up", what were you expecting? Shoe-shopping with Sarah Jessica Parker? (gag)

i wouldn't let usnews convince anyone there's a big difference in outcome. what you say about a better shot at nyc residency probably *is* true, but this (lor from a connected nyc program) can also be accomplished by an away rotation in nyc.

nyu does have a great location for the many people who like big cities. hands down! unfortunately, that location also makes it pricey. for all loans for the full budget (which it seems to me and others you'll need and then some, to really enjoy and take advantage of manhattan), after a four year residency the interest will capitalize on the principal to be about 330k total. i don't know how this compares to brown and what the col is in providence.

unfortunately, probably also due to expensive location, nyu's housing is *true* dorms (at about $550/month), meaning smallish bedrooms with a coed bathroom and kitchen shared among the floor. after first year you're able to move into suite-style dorms, but of course they're more expensive (about $800/month or so). the first-year housing is well-connected to the classrooms, which seems quite nice.

bellevue seems like a very good (but busy) place for residency, but in general i question the value of seeing zebras (unusual cases) as a med student. med school is bread-and-butter time, a time to understand and get down the basics. in other words, what you really need to learn as a med student can be found in countless hospitals across the country. not sure how brown's hospitals are specifically.

another issues for all nyc schools (except maybe cornell's ritzy hospital) is that they will have med students doing scut, what with the short-supplied and notoriously less-than-cooperative nursing staff. again, i don't know what providence is like in that regard.

either one will serve you well. good luck!

 

[coralfangs]

nyu blows. im an undergrad there. the city isnt all that hyped up as you might imagine.

brown is an ivy, ull have more opp. there vs. nyu, plus Cost of living will be cheaper.

brown all the way. no brainer.

new york blows?
no offense, did you stay in your dorm 24/7?

academic: the island alone has 4 medical schools (columbia, mt sin, nyu, cornell), crapload of research institutions (rocker, MSK, etc), crapload of opportunities, I alone have met so many top researchers physicians here over the past year (Freeman, Varmus, etc)
culture: art, music, fashion, food, etc, u will NEVER get bored (i spent countless of allnighters doing non-school-related crap)

 

[BlackSails]

I too am an undergrad at NYU, and I love it. As for the seperation of the med school and undergrad, they are seperate, and a little more so than the school of business and the school of arts and science, but they are still connected. Im working at NYU med over the summer. I called up a dean, said im an NYU student, and he told me to come in and talk about what I want. Now im working in a lab, and shadowing, following whatever doctors I wish and spending as much or as little time in the lab that I want. The researchers at the Skirball Institute of Biomolecular Medicine (in Tisch hospital) collaberate with the chem and bio departments on main campus.


As to the happiness of the school: I wont like, there are more unhappy students than at other universities. I chalk this up to exactly what President Sexton likes to say: At NYU, more of the effort to be happy falls on the student. Its a big university, and its easier to be lost, and the students really have to find their own things to do.

On getting into grad schools: NYU grads have no problems getting into NYU law and med, or other schools. The problem is that for some reason at NYU, 1/3rd of the freshman class calls themselves premed. Then they get a C in intro chem, and their goes their premed dreams. Until someone is a junior or senior, dont take them saying that they are premed so seriously.

When I first when to NYU, I did not want to come here. I wanted to go to Princeton, or Columbia. I had great test scores, but ill be honest, my GPA was not at the level Princeton wanted. (It was a 92.) I love NYU now, and I consider it fortunate that I was rejected from Columbia and Princeton. I dont know if I will apply to NYU med school. Sure, they have an early decision program for NYU students, but ive been told to go and at least look at other schools. I met a neurosurgery resident yesterday who went to NYU for undergrad, med school and now his residency.

People really only get what they put into NYU. There are plenty of faults. The beaucracy is huge, the required classes are terrible (mostly), but it has great professors, a great location, and great opportunities.

 

[moomix906]

i loved both schools but im a little biased because im going to Brown, but my experience was that having gone to undergrad in nyc (not NYU), I had to compete against tons of other students for research positions. Obviously that is not everyone's experience but personally I felt that for certain research fields NYC simply has too many premeds, PhD students, and MD students all going for the same spots.
NYC is defintely amazing, life changing experience, but I'm probably going to end up thanking myself for not being here during med school because it would be so distracting when you're trying to study and you can hop on the subway or run down the street and go to a bar or restaurant or whatever.
what i liked in Brown was the amazing flexibility in the last 2 years - you can do your rotations any order, any time, and the requirements only take up 1 year, so your whole 4th year could be free. Brown has the program called the 8th semester where you can opt out of continuing clinical electives during your last year and take any course at the university - im considering using the year for research or apply for a fellowship.
Brown also seemed like they were really into the students - when I went there on second look, there were professors, like chairs of departments offering contact information, clinical exposure, work and advice to us, whereas during even now, contacting professors and hospitals here in NYC, its hard to get people to respond. The new dean is trying really hard to remake the entire medical school; they've added all sorts of specialized tracks and optional research components and redone the entire first two years curriculum.
I think you can't really lose in this situation though, Im sure I would have loved either school, so go with the one that would inspire you to do better

 

[EyeballLove]

Is this a serious question?? We're supposed to believe that an undergraduate and graduate program has the same benefits, faults, etc. just because it carries the same name?

There are so many examples to the contrary: Baylor undergrad vs. Baylor med, Cornell, U of Colorado, etc.
And don't say that its the same because its in the same city. Just because you can see the Manhattan skyline from both places, doesn't mean that the atmosphere, student community, educational opportunities, whatever, are the same.

I would personally choose NYU over Brown because of the greater opportunities, and simply because I want to experience another city besides where I spent my undergrad.
And just because NYU undergrads are the most represented in NYC med, have you considered that its because many NYU undergrads would want to APPLY to their own grad school because they know firsthand of its many advantages??

This is TOTALLY irrelevant..but Baylor undergrad and Baylor Med are not even in the same city... the undergrad, as far as I know, has no affiliation with the med school.

I'm a bit curious about Cornell undergrad vs. med though...is one better than the other?

 

[moomix906]

cornell med is in nyc, cornell undergrad is in ithaca, hundreds of miles, so a totally different experience

 

[deleted77919]

I haven't looked at our class list in a while, but I would be surprised if we have more NYU undergrads in our class than Cornell grads. If I recall correctly we had 18 students from Cornell out of a class of 163.

 

[Mortal_Lessons]

There are so many examples to the contrary: Baylor undergrad vs. Baylor med, Cornell, U of Colorado, etc.

Baylor University is not affiliated with BCM--they just share the same name for historical reasons. In fact, they're hours apart--one's in Waco and the other's in Houston...

 

[Vizsla]

:edited because it doesnt apply:

yeah, ur def the reason why everyone hates pre-meds