BU (boston university) vs Tufts - NEMC IM (INTERNAL MEDICINE)

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BU (boston university) vs Tufts - NEMC IM (INTERNAL MEDICINE)
can someone pleaseeeeeeeeeee COMPARE these two programs...
they both have good fellowship placements for cards
they both are in boston (ghetto vs chinatown - can someone comment on the areas as well)
scutwork does a poor job of discussing them i feel
what are the reputations like in comparison to each other

intern year - frontloaded bu VS ?? can someone expand on this

residents - how are they in comparison - i hear both places might be malignant

i havne't seen anyone compare these yet...i think it woudl be very helpful

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boston university is extremely high pedigree. fellowship matches are amazing--many, many many to the harvards because they rotate with harvard attendings at the VA.

tufts is not really recognized at a national level. fellowship list was not impressive. morning report at my interview was brutal.
 
boston university is extremely high pedigree. fellowship matches are amazing--many, many many to the harvards because they rotate with harvard attendings at the VA.

tufts is not really recognized at a national level. fellowship list was not impressive. morning report at my interview was brutal.

What!?! I would go to Tufts over BU. It says on the BU website that 3 BU IM residents went to either MGH, BI or Brigham and Womens out of like 44 residents. It is not in any way a feeder program for the Harvards, you probably have to do really well at BU to go there. Here is the Tufts placement list, btw they have EIGHT HARVARD Hospital fellowship placements, and several at a little out of the way place called John Hopkins. Tutfs DOES have an excellent reputation nationwide, better than BU, BU in no way comes close to Tufts. I would gladly go to Tufts over BU any old day. While BU is not a Harvard feeder, Tufts appears to be one.

Tuft's Totally Awesome Medicine Residency Fellowship Placement

Cardiology
T-NEMC
Beth Israel - Deaconess
Brown
Cornell
Cook County Hospital
Dartmouth
Georgetown
Johns Hopkins
Lahey Clinic
Mayo Clinic
New York University
St. Elizabeth's
St. Luke's
Texas Heart Institute
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Missouri
University of Pittsburgh
University of Vermont
University of Washington, Seattle
Hematology/Oncology
T-NEMC
Baylor
Beth Israel - Deaconess
Cornell
Mount Sinai
NYU
Sloan Kettering
Stanford
University of Chicago
Yale
GastroenterolgyT-NEMC
Beth Israel
Case Western
Dartmouth
Georgetown
Massachusetts General Hospital
Mayo Clinic
Medical College of Virginia
Rush University Medical Center
University of Massachusetts
University of Pennsylvania
University of Vermont
Yale
Pulmonary
T-NEMC
Brown
Cornell
Loyola
Harvard Combined (Mass General/BI Deaconess/Brigham & Women's)
University of California at San Diego
University of Florida
Yale
Infectious Diseases
T-NEMC
Beth Israel Deaconess
Massachusetts General Hospital
NYU
University of Massachusetts
Yale
Nephrology
T-NEMC
Emory
Johns Hopkins
University of California - Davis
University of California – San Francisco
University of Massachusetts
University of Southern California
Endocrinology
T-NEMC
Brigham & Women's Hospital
Case Western Reserve
Rheumatology
T-NEMC
Johns Hopkins
Epidemiology / Health Services Research/ Clinical Decision Making
T-NEMC
Framingham Heart Study
General Medicine
Massachusetts General Hospital
Geriatrics
:Boston Medical Center
Allergy
University of Michigan
 
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Whoops, sorry I guess I miscounted, Tufts has NINE of its residents at either MGH, Brighams and Womens or the BI. So, it is about two times better than BU in that regard!!! To be fair here is the BU fellowship placement below, as you can see BUMC is very much inbred, and I don't see a single placement to John Hopkins for a fellowship, Ha Ha Ha! I think it is irresponsible of the above poster to claim that BU is some how excellent, they brain-wash themselves into believing that they are excellent because they were a city hospital. I knew several BU medicine residents that were worried about even getting a GI fellowship and faced the horror of doing general internal medicine. I think there is a genetic study of faculty and residents at BU because of large amount of interbreding and incest that goes on there. I don't think that tum's statement at all reflects the reality of IM programs in Boston, take a look at the hard facts below. Sitting through a BU medicine morning report is the most painful thing I have ever done, I think BU unfairly tries to build its self up by knocking down other programs and schools. BU higher pedigree? Ha! Ha! Ha! I am rolling on the floor laughing about that one!!!!! Alot of BU medicine residents go do hospitalist or primary care work after residency, whereas everyone it seems does a fellowship at Tufts, I think this is because alot don't pass the internal medicine boards at BU, but I'm not sure. Didactics are down in the toilet at BU.

BU's Not-As-Good-As Tufts Medicine Match List

Baylor University, Texas
Cardiology Fellow
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Boston
Nephrology Fellow
Boston University Medical Center
Cardiology Fellow (5)
Endocrinology Fellow
Gastroenterology Fellow
General Internal Medicine Fellow
Infectious Diseases Fellow (2)
Hospitalist
Rheumatology Fellow

Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston
Gastroenterology Fellow
Caritas Good Samaritan Hospital, Brockton
Hospitalist
Cogent Healthcare, Brockton, MA
Hospitalist
Duke University, North Carolina
&nbspPulmonary/Critical Care Fellow
George Washington University, DC
Cardiology Fellow
Lenox Hill Hospital, New York
Cardiology Fellow
Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School
Pulmonary/Critical Care Fellow
Mayo Clinic, MN
Gastroenterology Fellow (2)
National Institute of Health, MD
Pulmonary/Critical Care Fellow
New York Presbyterian Hospital
(Cornell Campus)

Endocrinology Fellow
New York University
Cardiology Fellow (2)
Pulmonary/Critical Care Fellow
Newton Wellesley Hospital, MA
Hospitalist
North Shore-Long Island Jewish Medical Center, NY
Cardiology Fellow
Primary Care Practice (1)
St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, Boston
Cardiology Fellow
Temple University, Philadelphia
Infectious Diseases Fellow
Tufts-New England Medical Center, Boston
Hematology/Oncology Fellow
University of Alabama
Gastroenterology Fellow
University of Cincinnati, Ohio
Gastroenterology Fellow
University of Colorado
Cardiology Fellow
University of Chicago, IL
Hematology/Oncology Fellow
University of Massachusetts
Endocrinology Fellow
University of Missouri, Kansas City
Gastroenterology Fellow
University of Pennsylvania
Gastroenterology Fellow
Geriatric Fellow

University of Southern California, Los Angeles
Hematology/Oncology Fellow
University of Washington, Seattle
Gastroenterology Fellow

Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN
Gastroenterology Fellow
 
Here is some more excellent information about the Tuft's Medicine Residency:

1. Excellent patient diversity, and they receive alot of subspecialty referrals.

2. In addition, several programs are unique. A Division of Clinical Decision Making, the first of its kind in the country, has been a pioneer in the area of clinical decision analysis. The Institute for the Improvement of Medical Care and Health was founded in 1988. Members of the Institute have been some of the leaders in the area of outcomes research.

3. The Department of Medicine has a long history of distinguished research. Current faculty includes many distinguished investigators who have been at the forefront of many of the exciting areas of biomedical research. Areas of great interest include pathogenesis of autoimmune disease, cytokine biology, neuroendocrinology, infectious arthritides, chronic hepatic disease and the etiology and treatment of atherosclerosis. (IN CONTRAST TO BU where good research is really hard to find and there isn't time to do it anyway).

4. The usual ward team consists of one resident, one intern, one senior medical student, one junior medical student, and a full time attending physician. The subspecialty system and our small team size are unique. Generally, patients are assigned to the subspecialty service appropriate for their illness. More than half of the patients on most services are admitted on that basis. As a result, house officers are taught about various disease entities by staff physicians who are experts in their specialty. We feel that this greatly enhances both patient care and house staff education.
(THIS IS IN CONTRAST TO BU WHERE THE MEDICINE SERVICE IS VERY DISORGANIZED and residents may rotate with a different attending every 2-3 weeks, most of which are NOT specialists or even hospitalists and come in from the community after doing ambulatory for 8 months and will keep you until 7 pm for morning rounds because they don't know what they are doing, and don't admit to any real subspecialty service).

If you do apply for IM in Boston, and have a choice between BU and Tufts, the choice is clear, Tutfts does have an excellent reputation, EVERYONE in the country has heard of Tufts. BU doesn't have the reputation or research equivalence in medicine, and is not what it once was in the past, and is currently in a state or reorganization, who knows, maybe in a decade BU will be able to compete with Tufts, but right now the trajectory is down. The poster "tum" is clearly making erroneous if not outright fallacious statements about Tutfts fellowship versus BU, and anyone in medicine already knows the reputation of Tufts. I don't believe that this person is really a resident, and if so is not a resident in Boston as Tufts has much more street cred with "Harvards" than BU anyday. Residents working at Tufts are relatively relaxed compared to BU which is slightly more stressful, but much more malignant than Tufts.

But for all the residents at BU now, we feel your pain, if you are lucky you could come over to Tufts for a fellowship if you work hard!
 
boston university is extremely high pedigree. fellowship matches are amazing--many, many many to the harvards because they rotate with harvard attendings at the VA.

tufts is not really recognized at a national level. fellowship list was not impressive. morning report at my interview was brutal.

Either 1) You have confused BU with Tufts or 2) You want to steer people away from applying to Tufts for IM (which will never happen because it is such an excellent program 3) You've been brainwashed by the BU propaganda machine 4) Your the BU IM Program Director or his staff. 5) This is opposite week where you give out the advice that is opposite to what you would normally give.

I have heard alot of myths that BU propagates, the most common is that BU teaches you to be "efficient" (code for we work you to death), or that BU IM has "out of this world placements after residency" I guess this means if you go to a community hospital in the middle of nowhere after BU IM residency you really are "out of this world", but is probably code for (we were surprised where a couple of our residents matched for fellowship considering how hard we don't teach them), likewise the "progressive call schedule that allows time for outside activities" is code for (We figured how to get around the 80-hour work week, and the outside activities you participate in will be primarily running across the street to get coffee)
 
Wow...I actually applied to both...
 
I am currently a 3rd year medicine resident at Tufts-NEMC. I think the persons posting above BOTH have very biased opinions about their respective programs. I think both Tufts-NEMC and BU are a definite tier below BIDMC and MGH/Brigham (obviously). However, I think both programs have decent fellowship placement at a time where getting fellowships is very difficult. My advice would be to apply and interview at both and form your own opinion.

I would also be reluctant to just be given a "list" of fellowship spots. When you interview there, be VERY specific, especially in your area of interest ask exactly how many people applied, how many matched and where they matched. Just because a program has "MGH" or "UCSF" on their list, doesn't necessarily tell you when (ie-could have been 10 years ago) or what speciality (ie-could have been cardiology or preventive medicine).

Personally, I am continuing on for fellowship and am very happy with my placement, however I think I could've matched similarly matriculating at BU as well. If you would like to contact me directly, I can give you more details about pros and cons at the each program as I have info about both. Good luck...
 
Hi, I just recently joined this forum but I wanted to put my 0.02 cents in about the Boston programs. I am a Internal medicine resident at Beth-Israel and I love it!!! 🙂🙂🙂

I also have friends at most of the medicine programs in Boston. I interviewed at Tufts, BU as well as BIDMC. One of my MAJOR concerns was the pass rate for Internal Medicine boards at Tufts-NEMC. MGH, Brigham, BIDMC, and BU all have pass rates over 95% where Tufts does not (see link below)! :scared::scared::scared: Not something I would want to chance and I also felt the residents were a lot more impressive at BU than Tufts.

http://www.abim.org/shared/pdf_statistics/Residency Program Pass Rates for PDF.pdf

Again, I never went to either medical school or residency at either, but just my impression from interviewing/speaking with friends at both programs.

Negatives for BU: I do think the BU program is slightly more demanding and malignant. However, may be worth it for better training/board scores...

Negatives for Tufts-NEMC: I am thinking of applying to cardiology and one of my friends who is currently a 2nd year medicine resident at Tufts-NEMC told me last June's match was not so impressive. Out of 5 applying, 1 resident had to do a 4-year basic science track and 2 residents applying to cardiology went unmatched!!!! That is a large percentage, not a situation I would want to be in. 🙁🙁🙁
 
I am a Internal medicine resident at Beth-Israel and I love it!!! 🙂🙂🙂 One of my MAJOR concerns was the pass rate for Internal Medicine boards at Tufts-NEMC. MGH, Brigham, BIDMC,

Negatives for BU: I do think the BU program is slightly more demanding and malignant.

This is definitely the difference in approach to medical education between the BI (and other Harvards) is that I have heard from residents at the BI that they really want to make you comfortable so you actually enjoy being in the hospital a large amount of the time. This is not the case for BU, which sadly *is* known as being a malignant IM program, i.e. put-offish personalities amoung attendings who I have seen on numerous times insult residents' intellect. The unofficial BU motto, i.e., See someone be mean to someone, be mean to someone, teach someone be mean to someone, tells alot and may have been started in the medicine department for all I know! This is an "old-school" program with a very low emphasis on resident well-being.

The education at the BI, Brighams, and MGH, is a level above and beyond what lower tier programs like BU offer. I would not read alot into board pass rates, for the difference between 91% and 96% is due more to the residents selected than the real teaching that goes on, and secondly possibly a large number of BU internal medicine residents don't even take the boards because they know they can't pass it, and go straight into primary care jobs sans fellowship. I think that a 100% passage rate tells you alot, but anything in the mid to low-90's is statistically the same. Face it, if you want to pass the Internal Medicine boards with flying colors you will be studying hard from day one in medical school all the way through to when you take it in residency and you will pass. People who can't pass the medicine boards fail because they are not motivated to study, not a reflection of the level of inservice education, IMHO.

Basically, BU has a huge class of residents, which makes it impersonal in a way and there is alot of cliques and politics that occur, for some reason there are alot of unhappy residents and attendings there. There is alot of faculty to faculty back-stabbing at BU and does NOT have the family feel of the smaller but more prestigious programs. Many of the residents I have talked with at Tufts are relaxed and happy, placement into cards will be struggle with programs at the level of BU or Tufts regardless, but I still would guess that Tufts offers a real advantage over BU. In the end, for an IM program in Boston, BU places relatively few, i.e. less than 10% of its residents in Harvards, and the rest struggle to get fellowship like all low tier IM programs. BU teaches its residents to act in a way that some have summarized as cold and business-like, and I have seen more than one BU resident act like they knew they were doing when they really didn't. There are possibly 120 IM programs better than BU as it is generally middle of the road, buyer beware.
 
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Tufts - great institution, mid sized program, happy residents, great teaching.
BU - larger program, great teaching experience, hard work,not a place for wimps. P.S. You will get the fellowship you WANT. Some people DON'T WANT the Harvard programs.
BI - not the Brigham.....it's all in the Harvard name really
Brigham - it is what it is.

The bottom line is you entered into medicine for a reason. You are going to have to work hard at any of the programs. You obviously need to go to each of them and get all the FACTS from interviewers, residents and make your own conclusion -------wait, if you are lucky to get invited.
 
I am a BMC intern, just started 2 months ago. I actually love it and think its an incredible place. I interviewed at 2 of the Harvard programs, BU, and Tufts-Nemc, so I am gonna share my perspective.

I feel a little sorry for princessoblood- its nice that she is so fanatically proud of her residency, but I dont think its cool or very collegial to bash other programs- makes us seem a little less malignant 🙂. Judge that as you will when making your match decisions. I dont think she is indicative of most Tufts-NEMC residents, who seemed a little more balanced in their understanding. \
The programs at Tufts and BU are very different. BU has both a university hospital and a city hospital. The university hospital is not as super-super tertiary as other university hospitals, but we def. still see really complicated cases and def. do have very well known faculty. The city hospital is incredible, where we see many of Boston's poor. If you enjoy working in an environment where money is not as big of a barrier in the care you provide, you will enjoy working here. The patient's are also very interesting, and the pathology and diversity you see is incredible.
The program used to have a reputation of being hard on its interns, and somewhat lighter on the residents. This has changed significantly since the new call scheme started with my internship class. The days of old with team lists of 20+, crazy short call days, etc. is no longer at BU. I'd say our new system is very good for the interns and a significant departure from past bitterness. Some of the older residents, who now have to work a little bit harder than they used to complain about it, but the system is pretty strong.
People do well in fellowship matches here including cards and gi. Not everyone in cards will get to go to a super-academic program in Boston, but everyone who applies to the right number of programs does match- and many do go to incredible places.
I think my co-residents are terrific, and the faculty have all been really nice. I would be hesitant of rumors regarding these malignancy issues. I am not a hard ass at all, and would be aware if people here are abusive.
But, BMC is not a cush program. We have poor patients, our hospital does not have plasma screens for the patients. There is still some tradition of a cityhospital, so things at times are a little slower in getting done (though in2 ward months- i have not had to place one iv and have drawn blood once)
Administratively, our program is going through some staff transitions, so secretarial type of stuff is not as smooth as at a fancy private hospital.
But, I think we have a really nice environment considering that this used to be a city hospital. Comparing to other city hospitals, we have good work spaces, good ancillary staff, a nice facility, etc.
Now I will give you my opinion on Tufts-
I think everyone there was very nice and it seems like a good program. Be careful when comparing match lists- BU gives you the last match results, while Tufts gives you a composite list of multiple matches.
The program there is strong- it seems like they care alot about the residents. Tufts also used to have a malignant reputation but that has changed. But, as an example. they are q3 in the units if I recall, BMC is q4.
The program is signficantly, smaller which has its + and -s, and alot of residents are Tufts med grads.
The hospital is smaller too- BMC serves a very specific population and has a unique mission. NEMC is more of a subspecialty driven hospital- the ED is very small. The type of patient who will be admitted (not just in terms of socioeconomic background) is extremely different- less people walk into the NEMC ED with a huge mass in their lungs with no past medical care..
If you really want to see BMT, heart and lung and liver transplants, BMC does not really have much of them (though pts. who had these procedures do come in).- and NEMC does have all the super-specialty stuff- though as a medicine intern/resident I am not sure that really matters.
The subspecialty team thing is different- and I cannot comment on it- some people love it, some people prefer a more generalist approach to the wards. I can see advantages and disadvantages with both.

But, you cant go wrong with both institutions. You will work hard and learn a ton at both. One is a program with alot of idigent patients, a major of emphasis on independent thinking, and is larger. The other is a program with a subspeciality driven atmosphere- both in patient population and educational style. The hospital itself is smaller, and serves a different community.
Both have great people working in them and really nice residents. And the rumors of BU being a rough place are untrue in my opinion. The call schedule is getting much better- our chair of medicine is great and we are in the process of getting a new PD (again, that is a +/- not having one currently, but we havent' really felt the effects, in my opinion). BU has not always been the most flexible place- due to various historical factors- but people here are nice and pleasant.
I know this has been a little runny- but just wanted to add my 2 cents.
 
i believe the lists you posted were slightly different than the ones i received during my interviews at both places. i believe your tufts list is cumulative, while your boston u is non-cumulative. maybe not though--but they both definitely look different than the ones i saw on my interview day. i don't really have a bias about either place. no connection academically or personally.

the board pass rate is important. i think boston u IM also made the top 25 list of programs w/us news & world in '06, though not 2008. i've heard it's a tough program. haven't heard how tufts is workload wise.
 
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I feel a little sorry for princessoblood- its nice that she is so fanatically proud of her residency, but I dont think its cool or very collegial to bash other programs. The days of old with team lists of 20+, crazy short call days, etc. is no longer at BU. I would be hesitant of rumors regarding these malignancy issues. I am not a hard ass at all, . . . But, BMC is not a cush program.

Now I will give you my opinion on Tufts-
I think everyone there was very nice and it seems like a good program. The program there is strong- it seems like they care alot about the residents.

The call schedule is getting much better- our chair of medicine is great and we are in the process of getting a new PD (again, that is a +/- not having one currently, but we havent' really felt the effects, in my opinion). BU has not always been the most flexible place- due to various historical factors.

I think I decided to defend Tufts because tum was making statements that made it sound like BU is some sort of stellar place without problems, and that Tufts isn't, and worse saying that Tufts doesn't have a good reputation. In terms of care of the indigent, something which I have been involved in for a while, Tufts sees many indigent patients as well, and patients presenting in the later stages of illness due to the immigrant community in Boston that we serve as well. BU often touts their care of indigent patients, but in reality all hospitals in to some extent are helping with this. BU is the only one that seems to feel it necessary to wear a badge for it. The result of more indigent patients being cared for at BU is due to the humanitarian efforts of legislature to have a free-care pool in MA. In reality BU is being paid for care of these patients, and "bragging" that BU sees alot of indigent patients makes it seem like a concession to care for people that should be cared for regardlessly, something that many hospitals do. BU being paid well to take care of indigent patients is NOT the same as physicians dedicated to say taking care of patients in a developing country at their own expense basically. BU is great at doing studies and clamoring about their care of indigent patients, but again, the credit goes to legislators. I have met the PD at BU and I think it is a GREAT idea that a new PD will be put in. It is great that the call schedule as hectic nature of the BU IM program is being changed, but what about the poor attitude of attendings? The "old school" harassment culture is still engrained at BU. Tufts makes an active effort to at least confront the harassment on the wards. BU is actually tolerant to a certain degree of the harassment of students, and interns to a lesser degree. Tufts is a great place with ALOT of nice people. As the post from the BMC "resident" aka intern, points out, this person has already aculturated to some extent the BU old school attitude problem.
 
Just a gentle reminder to not let this turn into a residency pissing contest, or I'll lock the thread after putting a long winded post as to why my program is the greatest 😉
 
Could someone please comment on the quality of the Pulm/CCM fellowship at BU as well as a comparison to the harvard combined Pulm/CCM fellowship. Any opinions on which is the better of the two? Thanks.
 
although I already graduated from my residency at BU and am happily enjoying my fellowship, there is so much nonsense in the above posts, that just need a clarification....

I have not much to say about Tufts, I did not interview there, do not know any residents there, and so I am not in the position to comment, except my dear princess of blood...if you want to compare fellowship placements as a surrogate marker for reputation of a program....and quite frankly that is a somewhat questionable approach, as the reasons to choose a respective fellowship are many and comparisons between different fellowships diificult, as it to a degree requires a indepth knowledge about the respective quality of a given subspecialty at a given hospital, and that does not always follow the lines of the overall reputation of the medical school....
for example, choice of location may matter, not everyone wants to stay in boston....competitveness of subspeciality matters...it is somewhat a difference between matching at the brigham or MGH for cards vs endo ( please no posts about me trashing endo here....just an example) ...lastly some fellowships are actually exceptional at some not top tier institution...for example the top program for Pulm/CC is actually University of Colorado....and certainly not MGH/brigham.....so all these things need to be factored in, if indeed you want to compare the lists....however, if you do so, compare apples to apples...the TUFTS list is an aggregate of 6 YEARS...BU provides you with the list per year....and there is certainly a year by year fluctuation, based on quality of residents, there respective choices and god knows what....
but FYI: last years graduation residents, those short trackin, graduation after 3 years and the chiefs matched for GI and Cards at the following places out of the top of my head
Cards: cleveland Clinic, Columbia, texas hear, BI, BU, darthmouth, U Mass....etc
GI: MGH, Johns Hopkins, darthmouth, BU, U wash etc.....

this is just one year of residents....

now to the overall atmosphere at BU: I have found this to be the most collegiale place imaginable...residents were very supportive of each other, faculty was wonderful, down to earth, relaxed...this nonsense about malignancy is based on what again, some rumor?,personal experience?, i doubt that....when I read these postings, i wondered what place I had spent 5 years at .....
the call schedule was demanding, work load is high..no doubts you work in this program, and this is its strengh..you see a lot and you have an enourmous amount of autonomy...so if you seize these opportunities you can learn a lot...this is why BMC has the reputation even at the elite places to train excellent clinicians....being right now at one of those ivy league towers with an absolut top residency, having been at the VA, which we share with the Brigham and BI, with an insight into 2 other excellent residencies, I can only paraphrase osler: I much rather go to sea with someone, who has been to the sea before, albeit maybe without a map, but with someone who knows everything there is to know about boats and sailing, yet hasn't done it...
in the end, this is a personal choice of learning style, do you want to have a more protective environment where you get only a limited amount of autonomy, but get spoonfed, or do you learn by doing it yourself....my personal impression is, that the first provides a hiding shelter for many, whos clinical accumen then is totally underdeveloped...

the new call schedule, from what I hear may have provided improvements, although I blieve this derives mainly from the addition of a renal service and a re-organisation of the health care services.....

the comments regarding faculty and research are so completly off:
ALL attendings I worked with were either sub-specialty attendings on general medicine wards or longstanding medical teachers, some of which have been at this places from the days of old Boston City Hospital, which not that long ago was the prime medical training center in the states....
community docs only cover the health care/net pts, this is indeed at times frustrating, but to my knowledge almost any program has this issue of rpivate attendings in some form ot the other... the academic qulaity of those sub-specialist is excellent...to tie in a question from someone else: for example the Pulm/CC dep at BU is by NIH funding a top3 institution, which obviously refects itself in the quality of attendings and research opportunites as well as in the quality of fellowship and fellows, which are all from the top institutions...this is even more true for the cards program, which incls the framingham study, half of the boards of aossciate editors of circulation and a former president of the AHA....of course that department has suffered somewhat with Loscalso going cross town, however
its fellows are almost excluselvly from brigham, MGH and from BU.....

lastly your comments about the former PD: Battinelli was the president of assoc of IM PD, former pres of ABIM, an excellent teacher and administrator, but most importantly a extremly well known and well connected person. every place I interviewed, and I assure you, those were the top5 places in my respective supspecialty, put a lot of weight into his words and judgement...that is really what you want from your PD...he would go to bat for you...and him deciding to leave for a much better paid leadership position in a health system was a huge loss to BU...

oh and before I forget it: BU taking care of the poor preceeds the invention of the free care pool by about 70 years or so..as you most surely are aware of, as you have invested yourself into this matter...it goes back to good old Mr Evans who I believe sometime in 1907 or so provided a huge chunck of money to the department of medicine to take care of those poor...and the department still lives of that money....the history of Boston City Hospital which is now part of BMC as a separate story speaks for itself and all of this has an impact on the atmosphere and the sense of pride as well as the learning experience at BU

it's a great place and if you know what you will be up to, you will enjoy it greatly...if you then invest yourself into becoming a physician you can learn and experience tremedously, and there are only few places where you would get a training like this.....
if however, you are more into quatiary medicine, much rather want to hear about the newest stuff around the bloc, can't wait until you do this in your fellowship, and think this is more important then learning the basics, then you should not come to BU, as it has its shortcomings...it does not have allo BMT, no cardiac or pulm transplant and thus you will miss out on these pts, how much you really learn from those at that early stage of your training, I doubt sincerely....
 
i think after reading princessof blood's posts, that this person is either psychotic, or he/she is being defensive for a reason. In order to hate BU so bad and blindly defend Tufts, you obviouslly have huge issues. I now know to come nowhere near Tufts for residency if they would dare to admit someone like princessof blood. Your rants are child-like. it is depressing to see our field of medicine with you representing it resort to horrible arguments and bashing other for no reason. be a politician or something, but step nowhere near a patient, please.

having interviewed at both places, BU has better fellowships, Tufts is more cush. when it comes to fellowships, programs know that BU residents work harder, and PD's respect that fact. Tufts is a great location, but it is inferior to BU clearly.

Please dont ruin Tufts name anymore than you already did, princessof blood, its embarrassing to your program.
 
i think after reading princessof blood's posts, that this person is either psychotic, or he/she is being defensive for a reason.


Please note that I had already asked not to turn this thread into a pissing contest, and it is completely unnecessary to top that and throw in personal insults. Either remain civil, or this thread will be closed and infractions will be issued to those who cross the line.

Jayne.
 
having interviewed at both places, BU has better fellowships, Tufts is more cush. when it comes to fellowships, programs know that BU residents work harder, and PD's respect that fact. Tufts is a great location, but it is inferior to BU clearly.

I don't think anyone can know for sure which programs is inferior or superior, I don't think that it is necessarily fair to state blankly that Tufts is inferior to Boston University. For me, residency selection came down to several factors, which may differ for different students like research or location. It is possible for one student to choose Tufts over Boston University for factors other than general reputation, like maybe there is a researcher that they are working with. I think posts in would be most helpful by delineating whatever is positive/negative about a certain program. While Jackie1 makes unfair comments about Princess's review of Boston University, she herself makes a blanket statement about Boston University's favorability although she is not a resident at either program. I really learned about my program after being there for a year as an intern, we should let residents speak for themselves about the merits of their program I guess. You can't trust someone who just states that Boston University is superior, this is a generalization, and such generalizations are unfair.
 
i agree that the rants about how great tufts is are scary. esp coming from someone named princess of blood? 😕

just interview at both places and make up your own mind.
 
It's now about 7 years later. Is there an updated answer to this question?
I wanted to know which program is superior in terms of reputation and cardiology fellowship placement. TIA!
 
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It's now about 7 years later. Is there an updated answer to this question?
I wanted to know which program is superior in terms of reputation and cardiology fellowship placement. TIA!
2024 - 2007 = 17 years later. I'm a subspecialty attending and I was in high school when this thread was last posted in lmao

Boston might be the most overrated city in the US btw.
I went there on vacation last year and there was some EM resident in line behind me telling his family how he took an attending job in SEATTLE because SEATTLE was SO MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE
 
2024 - 2007 = 17 years later. I'm a subspecialty attending and I was in high school when this thread was last posted in lmao

Boston might be the most overrated city in the US btw.
I went there on vacation last year and there was some EM resident in line behind me telling his family how he took an attending job in SEATTLE because SEATTLE was SO MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE

I grew up like 45 min from Boston. It’s a decent city, but massively massively overpriced. I agree it’s overrated too.

Also - seems there was a time where SDN was way more entertaining than it is now. Unhinged rants from posters named “princess of blood”? Can we bring back this edition of SDN, please?
 
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