Cal (Davis), Iowa, Cinci, Pitt, WV

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I am interested in applying to the FP/Psych combined programs, but I was wondering if you all could help me with the Psychiatry residencies at these locations (differentiating them for me). How do these programs stack up, what makes them different or interesting, and where would you want to be?

Univ. of Cal. at Davis
Univ. of Iowa
Univ. of Cincinnati
OU - Tulsa
Pitt
West Virginia
 
Univ. of Cincinnati

I'll be starting fellowship there in 2009. I haven't worked there as a resident but I was impressed with what I saw.

The facilities at the university are top notch. The psyche department has some true heavyweights including Paul Keck & Henry Nasrallah. The cafeteria is one of the best I've seen, with lots of private vendors.

Cincinnati itself is a very good city with low property values & taxes vs other cities. Its also not as overwhelming as many big cities can be such as NYC.

Unfortunately, since I have not worked there as an actual resident, I can't tell you what its like in terms of call hours or scutwork. I did though get a good feeling from the program when I interviewed there for the fellowship.

Similar to U of Cincinnati in description. Top notch facilities, some heavyweight attendings working there. Unfortunately again, since I haven't worked there I can't tell you much more.

I don't know if Cincinnati follows this description, but Pitt seemed to do so. Several programs I've seen in a city are one of many, and for that reason you get a limited diversity. E.g. a program in Harlem NYC typically only gets patients from the immediate area because there's plenty of other psyche programs in NYC. The demographics of that area, while it can produce several good cases is limited. Pitt seemed to be one of the only major psyche departments in the area for over 100 miles, so it seemed to me that they were getting a large diversity of cases.

Both Cincinnati & Pitt in terms of life are good. Both have colleges in the area with lots of young people to hang out with & a good singles scene. Both also had a good selection of culture & arts.
 
The cafeteria is one of the best I've seen, with lots of private vendors.

Seriously? My how times change! When I was a med student there we would hike up the hill to Children's when we wanted a good meal. Except on Fridays, because that was grilled cheese day. Mmm...

Food issues aside, Cinci is a solid program. Both the psych and family programs are quite good independent of each other. Live in Clifton Gaslight or Northside.
 
When I was a med student there we would hike up the hill to Children's when we wanted a good meal.
Heh!

You might be right because when I interviewed, I hiked up to the same place with one of the attendings! I already had lunch but he wanted to eat there because the "chow" was better over there as he put it.

I have though been to U of C again & went to the university's private vendor area & was very impressed.

And the hike? I consider that part of the same campus. Some places I've seen only has 1 cafeteria & the food is terrible and you don't have any local vendors. The hike to me was not long so I considered it all the same place.
 
Iowa has an excellent program. They are very strong in schizophrenia and eating disorders. Nancy Andreasen is there. They do a fair amount of decent brain imaging research. The residents have it fairly easy, doing their medicine requirements primarily on a med-psych unit. This is one of the programs where psych interns are given significantly less responsibility than medicine interns. There are a few IMGs there, but mostly American grads. The PD is very nice - sort of a crunchy-granola type. Iowa City is a wonderful place to live. It combines a small-town feel with a lot of the benefits of a city. The people are really nice there and the politics are very progressive, while at the same time it's a Big Ten college town with lots of hot coeds and fratboys who like to drink heavily and yell at people throwing balls at each other. If that's not your thing, there's also a vibrant art and culture scene, with excellent grad programs in Writing, English, Film, Visual Arts and their attendant grad students who you can hang out with. In fact, many people who go off to train in Iowa City fretting about how they will ever survive in the midst of all that corn find that they never want leave. The major drawback in my mind is that you will learn zero psychotherapy there. They are a very biologically oriented program. Overall a very strong program in a really great town.
 
Iowa has an excellent program. They are very strong in schizophrenia and eating disorders. Nancy Andreasen is there. They do a fair amount of decent brain imaging research. The residents have it fairly easy, doing their medicine requirements primarily on a med-psych unit. This is one of the programs where psych interns are given significantly less responsibility than medicine interns. There are a few IMGs there, but mostly American grads. The PD is very nice - sort of a crunchy-granola type. Iowa City is a wonderful place to live. It combines a small-town feel with a lot of the benefits of a city. The people are really nice there and the politics are very progressive, while at the same time it's a Big Ten college town with lots of hot coeds and fratboys who like to drink heavily and yell at people throwing balls at each other. If that's not your thing, there's also a vibrant art and culture scene, with excellent grad programs in Writing, English, Film, Visual Arts and their attendant grad students who you can hang out with. In fact, many people who go off to train in Iowa City fretting about how they will ever survive in the midst of all that corn find that they never want leave. The major drawback in my mind is that you will learn zero psychotherapy there. They are a very biologically oriented program. Overall a very strong program in a really great town.

Iowa city does seem like a nice place to live. Aren't most programs moving farther away from psychotherapy and leaving that area to the psychologists? This seems to be a trend I have noticed which I have heard has a lot to do with decreased reimbursement. Would a lack of psychotherapy training be a major handicap in todays evolving psych field?
 
Aren't most programs moving farther away from psychotherapy and leaving that area to the psychologists?

True.

However some programs still have good psychotherapy emphasis.

Its a shame, but its a reality of managed care. Even if a psychiatrist is not giving structured psychotherapy, its still a good idea to have a good education on it because that psychiatrist ought to at least have a good communication with the psychotherapist that is giving that treatment. When the psychiatrist is not properly educated in psychotherapy, they won't be on the same page with that psychotherapist.

And psychiatrists, even those that do not give structured psychotherapy can do some brief supportive psychotherapy in whatever they do, even if it does not include the typical 1 hr sessions. During an H&P for example a psychiatrist will spend about 30 minutes with a patient. Good psychotherapy training can allow that psychiatrist to do a better H&P & offer better feedback during that session.
 
Aren't most programs moving farther away from psychotherapy and leaving that area to the psychologists?

That may be true, but the ACGME requires competence in several different forms of psychotherapy, so any program that teaches little or no psychotherapy is not holding up its end of the bargain.
 
Any word on these progams (Univ. of Cal. at Davis or OU-Tulsa)or any info about how competative it is to get accepted at any of the other programs mentioned in this thread?
 
Any word on these progams (Univ. of Cal. at Davis or OU-Tulsa)or any info about how competative it is to get accepted at any of the other programs mentioned in this thread?

I matched into FM-Psych this year, and interviewed at 5 of the 7 programs. (UC San Diego, UC Davis, Iowa, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh. Did not visit OU-Tulsa or WV.)

Feel free to PM me for details on the combined programs if you want more info.
 
went to med school at U of Iowa, Iowa City is a great place to live. Research/biologically oriented psychiatric residency program.

Did med/psych residency at west virginia (morgantown). Also have FP/psych in morgantown; I think they also have it at the Charleston division.
West Viginia is not as research oriented as some of the other programs. Good balance of biological/psychotherapy training for straight psych residents. Constant switching between medicine and psychiatry made it difficult for me to get a solid psychotherapy background, also I wasn't as interested in psychotherapy at the time. Wish I would have made more of an effort.

I know Dr. Nasrallah (cincinatti); He was at the Univ of MS when I was doing a sleep fellowship, and during my first several months of being a faculty member. Solid schizophrenia researcher. The Cincinatti psychiatry program has a great reputation

I'm biased against Pitt since they rejected me for a sleep fellowship, so don't have much to say about them.
 
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