calling all med school students/doctors who got in directly from high school!!!!

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this isn't a gunner post..I promise. it's just been difficult to find info on getting into med school from high school regarding GPA, ECs, recs, etc. My little sis is in 8th grade right now, and she's determined to get in directly from h.s. She won't be attending a top-notch private academy h.s. or anything, just your plain old local city high school so I don't know if that will hurt her or not. p.s. we're moving to NJ in and will be residents by the time she applies, so any info on programs in NJ especially would be reallyreally helpful!


p.s. this isn't a gunner post (like the preschool to medschool thread, haha)
thanks in advance, and any comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
 
are you serious??? you're an idiot and I hope your little sister gets pregnant and has to drop out
 
im pretty sure its impossible
 
qualityhealth said:
this isn't a gunner post..I promise. it's just been difficult to find info on getting into med school from high school regarding GPA, ECs, recs, etc. My little sis is in 8th grade right now, and she's determined to get in directly from h.s. She won't be attending a top-notch private academy h.s. or anything, just your plain old local city high school so I don't know if that will hurt her or not. p.s. we're moving to NJ in and will be residents by the time she applies, so any info on programs in NJ especially would be reallyreally helpful!


p.s. this isn't a gunner post (like the preschool to medschool thread, haha)
thanks in advance, and any comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
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There is no such thing as going directly from highschool to medical school. You still need to take the prerequisite courses and 2-3 years of undergrad courses even if you do a B.S./M.D. 6 or 7 year program.

If your sister is in the 8th grade, she needs to get through highschool first. Then she needs to get through college. Then she can go to medical school. Sorry but she won't be getting in right away after highschool
 
qualityhealth said:
this isn't a gunner post..I promise. it's just been difficult to find info on getting into med school from high school regarding GPA, ECs, recs, etc. My little sis is in 8th grade right now, and she's determined to get in directly from h.s. She won't be attending a top-notch private academy h.s. or anything, just your plain old local city high school so I don't know if that will hurt her or not. p.s. we're moving to NJ in and will be residents by the time she applies, so any info on programs in NJ especially would be reallyreally helpful!


p.s. this isn't a gunner post (like the preschool to medschool thread, haha)
thanks in advance, and any comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
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do you mean she thinks she can et into med school with out going to college at all or does she want to apply to a BA/MD program that is 7 or 8 years long?
 
Get a copy of the most recent MSAR. There are several schools that give students conditional acceptance into medical straight out of high school. It depends on the school what those conditions are. They typically require you to go to at least two (and usually three or even four) years of college and maintain a certain GPA in your classes while there. Sometimes they make you take the MCAT, sometimes they don't. Depending on the school, they can also be insanely difficult to get into. The easiest way to find out how to do it is to get a copy of the MSAR (Medical School Admissions Requirements is the full name I believe.)
 
does she know what she's getting herself into?

seems like she needs to mature more and see more options out there before diving head first into 7-8 years commitment

plus, i don't think that's even possible, but then again, there are always exceptions
 
mordounhas said:
Get a copy of the most recent MSAR. There are several schools that give students conditional acceptance into medical straight out of high school. It depends on the school what those conditions are. They typically require you to go to at least two (and usually three or even four) years of college and maintain a certain GPA in your classes while there. Sometimes they make you take the MCAT, sometimes they don't. Depending on the school, they can also be insanely difficult to get into. The easiest way to find out how to do it is to get a copy of the MSAR (Medical School Admissions Requirements is the full name I believe.)
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Yes we like to call those BA/MD or BS/MD programs. Not straight into MD program out of highschool. However, no further advice can be given til the author clarifies what he was talking about since i'm not sure if they meant BS/MD or BA/MD programs or if they meant no college at all in between.
 
if you're talking about bs/md programs, what high school you go to doesn't matter. Rutgers, Drew U, and TCNJ have programs in NJ. Also. BU has one that favors nj students but its not in nj
 
Come back after she's gone through puberty. I probably wanted to be a clown when I was in middle school.
 
Rikkye said:
does she know what she's getting herself into?

seems like she needs to mature more and see more options out there before diving head first into 7-8 years commitment
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Agree with this. There are good reasons why this country has opted for the college then med school model of medical education. Medicine isn't kid suff. Lots of death and dying, blood and guts, pus and oozing. There are definite advantages to having a few more years of life/maturity under your belt before you delve into this. Now and then you hear about a youngster prodigy who is let into a program, but they are usually shunted into a lengthy PhD program in the middle and don't actually get to practice much earlier.
However other countries have different systems so I suppose she could ship off to high school elsewhere. But really, what is the rush? Spend the time in college figuring out what you want to do with the rest of your life. If it's still medicine, you will actually end up a better thought out doctor because of it.
 
WantsThisBad said:
This remind me of the episode of Full house when DJ has the dream that she flunks the SATs and she finds out from Vana White that shes going to Clown College!
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please tell me you are a non-trad

(jay kay 😀)
 
Im pretty sure Hopkins, UCSF, and Harvard all have the fast track: GED/MD program. To apply as an 8th grader you need to have completed: 4 semesters of Middle School/Jr. High PE (or a certified physical education program of equal caliber), one semester of typing, one semester of home ec, one year of geometry, at least 5 D.A.R.E. courses, and complete sexual education studies. 😀

...Sorry, I just had to. For a serious answer though, there are very few BS/MD combined programs. I think Wayne State has one with some undergrad school, and I think UCSD has one but you have to be invited to apply. She would also need to take the MCAT before graduating high school etc etc. Tell her to just go to high school, get into any undergrad university and go from there.
 
Law2Doc said:
Agree with this. There are good reasons why this country has opted for the college then med school model of medical education. Medicine isn't kid suff. Lots of death and dying, blood and guts, pus and oozing. There are definite advantages to having a few more years of life/maturity under your belt before you delve into this. Now and then you hear about a youngster prodigy who is let into a program, but they are usually shunted into a lengthy PhD program in the middle and don't actually get to practice much earlier.
However other countries have different systems so I suppose she could ship off to high school elsewhere. But really, what is the rush? Spend the time in college figuring out what you want to do with the rest of your life. If it's still medicine, you will actually end up a better thought out doctor because of it.
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I totally agree with you. Law2doc, I have to tell you your advice is often very spot on.

I was talking with a friend of mine today when I went to meet up with her to get some stuff from her and give her some of her stuff she needed from me. She just started her first year of med school at UF COM and was telling me that while she came to USF with intention of doing the USF BS/MD 7 year program, she feels that looking back she's glad she didn't take the easy way out and stick in the program. She's also glad she had a full 4 years of undergrad because she says her experience in undergrad and going through the application process and doing more then just the minimum required ECs for 7 year really taught her a lot about life and made her mature a lot. The last year she spent time taking various elective sciences and fun artsy type of courses while performing several teaching jobs and her time doing such and spending time with old friends and family allowed her to grow as a person in many ways. Likewise, going through the application process the traditional way humbled her while giving her the time to explore other schools that might be a better fit for her. I think in the end she did the right thing to because she ended up at a school that was a much better fit for her in terms of the type of student body and general atmosphere. That and I think going to a different school for med school then undergrad will give her a chance to meet a lot of new people and benefit her in the long run.

The bottomline: She was telling me that she realized its just not worth it to rush into med school because there's more to life than that which is written on paper and those are valuable times in your life that will teach you a lot and mature you while allowing you to explore your interests more deeply.
 
Tired said:
Is she hot?
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her attractiveness is irrelavent since she has clearly decided during pre-k to obstain from sexual relations until her white coat ceremony. During second grade she determined the ideal time to have a family would be in 2027 when her nobel-prize winning algorithm places the economy at a relative expansion.
Since she concluded during 4th grade that 2.4 kids is the optimal number of offsprings for physicians she has already decided to have a boy, a girl, and a transexual midget (diversity looks great on CVs, after all). The boy will be named Maximus, and the girl will be assigned a name following strict research into the financial yield of 'porchtia' vs. 'alexus'.

On the other hand, i'm sure if you tell her you're in an adcom she'll go down quicker than the titanic...
 
That's an interesting take on the things, given that one of the reasons ba/md programs are touted is to allow pre-med students to become more well-rounded instead of having to focus on p-reqs and ec's designed to get into med school
 
Brown university does it. Its called PLME. You get into undergrad and med school at the same time, and stay for 8 yrs.

It's an awful idea IMO. I don't think highschoolers have enough life experience or maturity to truly say what they want. And she's still in 8th grade? It seems like she wants to go to med school for all the wrong reasons.
 
I didnt know of any BS/MD programs until I was a junior in HS. I have wanted to be a doctor since I was in elementary school. Granted, I really didnt know ANYTHING about it at that time, but the interest never faded, even into high school. I applied to 6 programs and was accepted into 2. There are many more out there, all she needs is one.

Some people will say that such programs are ridiculous, because you have no idea what you want when youre in hs, but I disagree. I have no regrets. If I knew then what I know now (Im in my 3rd year of Medical School), I still would have done the exact same thing. Everyone is different, to each their own.

Good luck!
 
limpkitty said:
That's an interesting take on the things, given that one of the reasons ba/md programs are touted is to allow pre-med students to become more well-rounded instead of having to focus on p-reqs and ec's designed to get into med school
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Yet the sad reality is that the 7 year students who chose to stay in 7 year and not apply out are the oneswho I have seen do the least and think out of the box the least. Most of them have only wanted to the minimum required to them by only doing the 40 hr shadowing/40 hour volunteer service required and research for their thesis. But once theyve taken the requred classes if they have time rather then taking other challenging classes or things that will broaden their view a lot of them have taken more joke classes that they know they can get easy As in. That's what I've seen at USF. Will they be bad doctors? Probably not and good for them for getting into medical school but I wouldn't say that they are the most well rounded people in comparision to a lot of other people who apply to the regular way. The ones who have been well rounded that were accepted to 7 year program were the people that went beyond the minimum required because they had dreams of applying out and taking their chances with the application cycle through applying to other schools and seeing where they could get in. At least this is true in Tampa from what I've seen.
 
PreMD86 said:
her attractiveness is irrelavent since she has clearly decided during pre-k to obstain from sexual relations until her white coat ceremony. During second grade she determined the ideal time to have a family would be in 2027 when her nobel-prize winning algorithm places the economy at a relative expansion.
Since she concluded during 4th grade that 2.4 kids is the optimal number of offsprings for physicians she has already decided to have a boy, a girl, and a transexual midget (diversity looks great on CVs, after all). The boy will be named Maximus, and the girl will be assigned a name following strict research into the financial yield of 'porchtia' vs. 'alexus'.

On the other hand, i'm sure if you tell her you're in an adcom she'll go down quicker than the titanic...
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2.4 kids??? #@$%!!! I'm a whole 2.1 behind!
 
Disclaimer to my above post:
I wasn't implying that the 7 year students and 6 year students are immature as I know people (both family friends at other schools and some people at USF as well who are in the program).

However, I was just saying that they aren't the most well rounded when you compare them with other people who apply the regular route and a lot of them don't do half the stuff a regular cycle applicant does because they don't need to and have no wish to do significantly more then they need.
 
On a somewhat serious note (I hate to be the bringer of serious news in a fun thread), I think one of the Missouri schools caters exclusively to high schoolers that wish to go into a combined BS/MD program or something like that. I'm sure many of you know more about it, I just remember coming across this in my SDN travels at some point. It's whichever Missouri school doesn't give out stats to the MSAR.
 
People have been making way too many blanket statements in this thread. While I certainly agree that MOST people shouldn't bother with a BS/MD program, for a select few, it certainly is a good idea. Most programs also are non-committing, and honestly, you loose very little if you decide not to go into medicine if you picka 7 or 8 year program. The only thing you get is a guaranteed acceptance.

The common problem I see here is that people all too often tie intelligence with age and also maturity. While one can be incredibly high, that does not mean others are not. Also, you should NOT use age as a marker for comparing the other 2 areas. If you take the average 23 year old, most people will say that they are an idiot. Most people wouldn't call an MS1 and idiot because they certainly are not average.

Anyway, instead of saying "she's so immature!", encourage her to find out if she likes medicine or not in small doses. If a BS/MD program is what she wants 3 years from now, then maybe she can apply. I don't really see how people say it's bad to loose out a year or two unless for YOU, you actually needed it. Some don't.
 
Well technically it is possible.
all she has to do is start taking community college courses while shes afreshman in high school, and summers. That way she can finish all her general ed courses while in high school. Then she could try to go to interviews to places like cornell which only require two years, or the prereqs.
 
rogerwilco said:
On a somewhat serious note (I hate to be the bringer of serious news in a fun thread), I think one of the Missouri schools caters exclusively to high schoolers that wish to go into a combined BS/MD program or something like that. I'm sure many of you know more about it, I just remember coming across this in my SDN travels at some point. It's whichever Missouri school doesn't give out stats to the MSAR.
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Yeah I can't think of the name but I know what you are talking about. Brown University used to be that way.
 
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