Can MD get Nobel Prize ?

[Usmle Sandman]

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i know there are chances for Nobel prize in medicine, but as far as i know, all winners are researchers/scientists. but can practicing medical doctor, who treats patients, get Nobel prize ? are there some medical problems that don't require labs/researches ? and if labs are necessary, can clinical MD get part time lab jobs, make researches etc ?

 

[eteshoe]

Most MDs that win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine tend to be physician scientists. Some do see patients and also run a research program/lab as well.

I don't quite understand your last question.

 

[Usmle Sandman]

Most MDs that win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine tend to be physician scientists. Some do see patients and also run a research program/lab as well.

I don't quite understand your last question.

i meant can clinical doctors do also labs/researches ? and got answer from you. will md get salary from that research or he should do that with his own money, own lab ?

 

[eteshoe]

Yes, MD-only physicians can run labs.

In this day, MD salaries are dependent on the amount of their clinical duties and scientific grants (the split varies). If x and y represent the fractional portions of the physicians time divided amongst their research and clinical duties then the physician is paid (this assumes working at an academic medical center):

Salary = x(NIH cap) + y(Clinical Specialty base salary)

The following thread has some useful info about academic salaries for physician scientists: Click Me

They run their labs using govt grants, private foundational funds, etc. They usually don't use their own money to run their lab endeavors since that would be insanely expensive.

 

[CatFactorial]

Yeah man! Do research! Get a Nobel Prize! MDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!! Glory!!!!11!!!11oneoneoneoneone

 

[Elixir6]

I think there is a language barrier here, but your lack of understanding is astonishing. Let me make it simple, there is no chance - 0% - you can get a Nobel by working part time in a lab as a practicing physician. It's all related to research, and many extremely smart people spend their whole lives researching and a tiny tiny fraction *accidently* come across something groundbreaking and get a Nobel (many years later).

Therefore, if you really love research (which clearly from your post you want to minimize your lab/research time) you should do what you love, and don't worry about prizes. Or you can try for a Peace prize. That one is regularly given to people who haven't done anything to promote peace.

 

[Danbo1957]

The Nobel Prizes are about discovery, original thought/work, or novel invention. It's unlikely that any individual MD doing a combination of clinical and research would be even nominated. But I could see prize consideration for several MD/PhD's whose work made strides to unlock the human genome (lot of people involved in various groups). Or, prize consideration for several of the MDs running clinical studies, along with researchers, who developed GLEEVEC (amazing work); start with HISTORY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imatinib#History

 

[Animalcules]

Please stop. Just print and tape to wall. No research needed.

 

[jdh71]

If Obama can get one, anyone can get one!!

(Had to)

 

[jdh71]

You really just need to believe in yourself and try really really hard.

 

[Raryn]

If Obama can get one, anyone can get one!!

(Had to)

Peace is probably the one that's most random, so may be described as the easiest to get. The research ones are basically impossible without A) a full time research career and B) a hell of a lot of serendipity. I suppose nothing is stopping an MD from writing literature in his spare time in hopes that perhaps he might someday get a literature prize, but that one is almost as bizzarely random as peace.

 

[jdh71]

Peace is probably the one that's most random, so may be described as the easiest to get. The research ones are basically impossible without A) a full time research career and B) a hell of a lot of serendipity. I suppose nothing is stopping an MD from writing literature in his spare time in hopes that perhaps he might someday get a literature prize, but that one is almost as bizzarely random as peace.

The peace prize is a actually a completely different prize than the other nobels.

I'm familiar with the prizes.

 

[Raryn]

The peace prize is a actually a completely different prize than the other nobels.

I'm familiar with the prizes.

Not really. Peace is given by Oslo rather than Stockholm, but it was funded by Alfred Nobel in his will same as Chemistry/Physiology or Medicine/Physics/Literature and is generally no different than the others. He just thought the Norwegians were less political (b/c they weren't independent at the time) and gave them the Peace prize to hand out.

On the other hand, the Nobel prize in economics is actually something like the "Swedish Riksbank Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics." It's a completely separate institution that had nothing to do with Nobel except that the economists were jealous and named a prize after the same dude. That's the one "Nobel prize" that's really completely different than the rest.

 

[jdh71]

Not really. Peace is given by Oslo rather than Stockholm, but it was funded by Alfred Nobel in his will same as Chemistry/Physiology or Medicine/Physics/Literature and is generally no different than the others. He just thought the Norwegians were less political (b/c they weren't independent at the time) and gave them the Peace prize to hand out.

On the other hand, the Nobel prize in economics is actually something like the "Swedish Riksbank Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics." It's a completely separate institution that had nothing to do with Nobel except that the economists were jealous and named a prize after the same dude. That's the one "Nobel prize" that's really completely different than the rest.

I had peace and economics switched around it looks like.

Though the peace prize is clearly horse**** nonsense.

 

[fantasty]

You really just need to believe in yourself and try really really hard.

We're not talking about finishing pizzas here...

 

[jdh71]

We're not talking about finishing pizzas here...

Every pizza is a personal pizza if you apply yourself

 

[Elixir6]

Every pizza is a personal pizza if you apply yourself

Questions:

#1 What's up with the new avatar? Is that you?

#2 Did you always have such a libertarian bend, is it sarcasm or did I miss it previously...

There is practically no amount of elbow grease that is going to correlate well with getting a Nobel prize. You can work really hard to make an amazing pizza and succeed, heck you can make a chain of successful pizza stores with hard work, but you can't tell a pizza delivery man that just working really hard at a goal is going to result in them becoming the CEO of a multibillion dollar internationally recognized pizza franchise. Capche? So better just work hard because you love pizza and restaurant management, and maybe if you are lucky, you'll be the 1/8,000 that will make it really really big.

 

[jdh71]

Questions:

#1 What's up with the new avatar? Is that you?

#2 Did you always have such a libertarian bend, is it sarcasm or did I miss it previously...

There is practically no amount of elbow grease that is going to correlate well with getting a Nobel prize. You can work really hard to make an amazing pizza and succeed, heck you can make a chain of successful pizza stores with hard work, but you can't tell a pizza delivery man that just working really hard at a goal is going to result in them becoming the CEO of a multibillion dollar internationally recognized pizza franchise. Capche? So better just work hard because you love pizza and restaurant management, and maybe if you are lucky, you'll be the 1/8,000 that will make it really really big.

My avatar is Donald Trump super-imposed on my face.

You are probably missing a lot of the jokes. You might be on the spectrum, lots of docs are.

And are you serious that the pizza guy won't just become CEO of a multibillion dollar international pizza franchise?? Since when?? I wonder why I clearly didn't understand that point??

The more you know . . .

 

[jdh71]

It is true that every pizza is a personal pizza if you apply yourself.

 

[Elixir6]

My avatar is Donald Trump super-imposed on my face.

You are probably missing a lot of the jokes. You might be on the spectrum, lots of docs are.

And are you serious that the pizza guy won't just become CEO of a multibillion dollar international pizza franchise?? Since when?? I wonder why I clearly didn't understand that point??

The more you know . . .

Snark snark snark

 

[fantasty]

On topic: An MD with *substantial* research experience surely can win a Nobel without a PhD. MD/PhD are the majority of productive physician scientists, but there are exceptional researching docs who did not get a PhD (but still would have had to devote as much time in research as if they had).

 

[jdh71]

On topic: An MD with *substantial* research experience surely can win a Nobel without a PhD. MD/PhD are the majority of productive physician scientists, but there are exceptional researching docs who did not get a PhD (but still would have had to devote as much time in research as if they had).

So what you are saying is that the most positive predictor of the md winning the prize is being a miserable basted who hates himself?

 

[fantasty]

So what you are saying is that the most positive predictor of the md winning the prize is being a miserable basted who hates himself?

That would be a confounding factor, but still highly correlated. If that was the main predictor, I'd have 3 by now...