can private schools discriminate on the basis of religion/race/etc?

[organichemistry]

i'm under the assumption that they can (and i have no problem with that). i was just wondering... can they?

and if they can, why can't a private business do the same thing?

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[996tt]

i'm under the assumption that they can (and i have no problem with that). i was just wondering... can they?

and if they can, why can't a private business do the same thing?

private businesses cannot disciminate on the basis of race and religion. they are subject to suit in civil court. neither can you discriminate if you are renting out real estate-the "i don't rent to blacks" doesn't work, and will result in a law suit. there are certain schools (howard, meharry, loma linda, etc) that customarily have restricted their student body to one race or religion. i personally feel that this is racism-if the opposite was done (we only take caucasions or we don't offer admissions to adventists), this would result in protests, news stories, etc. what i do think is progressive is admitting qualified minority students to professional school classes with a preferance is progressive and socialy productive. offering positions in med/dent schools to minorities in a preferrential way is socially productive-this is inclusive. in the opposite example, offering admissions just to black students or adventists is exclusive, is not socially productive and is just another example of racism. as i said, the opposite (only whites allowed) wouldn't hold water. make sense?

 

[L8DYV]

i'm under the assumption that they can (and i have no problem with that). i was just wondering... can they?

and if they can, why can't a private business do the same thing?

they won't explicitly say they do, but they do.

 

[dexadental]

private businesses cannot disciminate on the basis of race and religion. they are subject to suit in civil court. neither can you discriminate if you are renting out real estate-the "i don't rent to blacks" doesn't work, and will result in a law suit. there are certain schools (howard, meharry, loma linda, etc) that customarily have restricted their student body to one race or religion. i personally feel that this is racism-if the opposite was done (we only take caucasions or we don't offer admissions to adventists), this would result in protests, news stories, etc. what i do think is progressive is admitting qualified minority students to professional school classes with a preferance is progressive and socialy productive. offering positions in med/dent schools to minorities in a preferrential way is socially productive-this is inclusive. in the opposite example, offering admissions just to black students or adventists is exclusive, is not socially productive and is just another example of racism. as i said, the opposite (only whites allowed) wouldn't hold water. make sense?

Doesn't make sense at all. How about eliminating race/religion as a criterion for admission and then letting the process follow. Your comment is pretty ridiculous, discrimination by any means is socially UNPRODUCTIVE.

 

[organichemistry]

Doesn't make sense at all. How about eliminating race/religion as a criterion for admission and then letting the process follow. Your comment is pretty ridiculous, discrimination by any means is socially UNPRODUCTIVE.

i tend to agree... but if private schools are allowed to do it, it seems like private businesses should be able to do so as well.

 

[Sprgrover]

i'm under the assumption that they can (and i have no problem with that). i was just wondering... can they?

and if they can, why can't a private business do the same thing?

Bascially, commerce can be actively regulated while personal ideology cannot be policed by the government. In the eyes of the law businesses, both private and public, are different animals than clubs and private and religious structures that don't exist for purposes of profit. The seemingly all inclusive laws governing discrimination, Americans with disabilities, and so on don't completely cover, or cover at all, the later organizations. It's noteworthy that businesses that have over 15 employees are subjected to a wide range of regulations, such as the number of females and minorities employes (something to keep in mind if your practice should grow - the Department of Labor keeps a close watch on these things) while those with 14 employees or less are not. In a simplified nutshell such laws have been set up to ensure that qualified individuals are not kept from directly participating in the process of economic exchange of the country - meaning going out earning a paycheck and spending it. Private clubs and religious organizations are often exempt from them first and foremost for reasons of separation of church and state. It is because of this carefully guarded separation that the federal and state governments cannot mandate who, for example, Loma Linda (which is a part of the religious organization of the Adventist church) admits - all of which ties into topics of freedom of religion, speech, assembly and affiliation.

 

[TX2thDR]

there are certain schools (howard, meharry, loma linda, etc) that customarily have restricted their student body to one race or religion.

umm.. this statement is obviously untrue. i'm not black, yet i'll be attending howard this fall. btw, this has been discussed MANY times. 😴

Doesn't make sense at all. How about eliminating race/religion as a criterion for admission and then letting the process follow. Your comment is pretty ridiculous, discrimination by any means is socially UNPRODUCTIVE.

ok... say you take out the Race/Religion/Sex question to "avoid" discrimination. What about people who have ethnic names or names that denote if one is male or female? would you say the answer is to remove the name question as well?

i tend to agree... but if private schools are allowed to do it, it seems like private businesses should be able to do so as well.

haha this makes no sense either, wouldn't it be fair to say that NEITHER should be allowed to discriminate? i think the reason private businesses can't and won't is because 1) its illegal so therefore 2) they'll get sued for every penny if they do. thats why you always see "equal opportunity ___" etc.

 

[organichemistry]

haha this makes no sense either, wouldn't it be fair to say that NEITHER should be allowed to discriminate? i think the reason private businesses can't and won't is because 1) its illegal so therefore 2) they'll get sued for every penny if they do. thats why you always see "equal opportunity ___" etc.

i think it makes perfect sense. if one can do it, the other should as well. *shrug*

thanks for the explanation sprgrover. i can't say i agree with the government's policy on the whole matter... but at least you've given me the reason why it is the way it is.

 

[dentwannabe]

ALL schools CAN descriminate. However, no school is allowed to say they PREFER a certain race, religion. Though, some make their preference more obvious than others. 👍

 

[Sprgrover]

ALL schools CAN descriminate. However, no school is allowed to say they PREFER a certain race, religion. Though, some make their preference more obvious than others. 👍

These are some sweeping and incorrect generalizations. For example, schools receiving federal funds cannot discriminate on the grounds of religion while private institutions, such as LLU - a school created by Adventists to educate Adventists and funded through private sources - , are free to make decisions based on such distinctions.

 

[trust068]

yes it is legal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act

(2) it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a
school, college, university, or other educational institution or
institution of learning to hire and employ employees of a particular
religion if such school, college, university, or other educational
institution or institution of learning is, in whole or in substantial
part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or
by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the
curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational
institution or institution of learning is directed toward the propagation
of a particular religion.

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html

 

[organichemistry]

yes it is legal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act

(2) it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a
school, college, university, or other educational institution or
institution of learning to hire and employ employees of a particular
religion if such school, college, university, or other educational
institution or institution of learning is, in whole or in substantial
part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or
by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the
curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational
institution or institution of learning is directed toward the propagation
of a particular religion.

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html

well that talks about employees but doesn't discuss the student body selection 🙂

 

[996tt]

Doesn't make sense at all. How about eliminating race/religion as a criterion for admission and then letting the process follow. Your comment is pretty ridiculous, discrimination by any means is socially UNPRODUCTIVE.

Dexa-i am not trying to insult you, but your comment shows your social immaturity. i am totally against schools that admit preferentially one race or religion, but i am realistic enough to agree that admitting some racially disadvantaged students to all schools is good for society as a whole. the good definitely outweighs the bad. and you know what-just about every educator agrees with me, as almost all schools have minority programs. if you "let the process follow" as you say, you will not allow qualified minority students to become educated and to serve as thought leaders, who will in turn help educate and elevate others around them. look at the big picture dexa, not at isolated and old fashioned beliefs.

 

[trust068]

well that talks about employees but doesn't discuss the student body selection 🙂

I believe they are the same, unless you can find a written law says religious school cannot have diaparate selection

 

[dexadental]

Dexa-i am not trying to insult you, but your comment shows your social immaturity. i am totally against schools that admit preferentially one race or religion, but i am realistic enough to agree that admitting some racially disadvantaged students to all schools is good for society as a whole. the good definitely outweighs the bad. and you know what-just about every educator agrees with me, as almost all schools have minority programs. if you "let the process follow" as you say, you will not allow qualified minority students to become educated and to serve as thought leaders, who will in turn help educate and elevate others around them. look at the big picture dexa, not at isolated and old fashioned beliefs.

I don't think the race situation in America has been positively influenced due to affirmative action, I strong oppose that measure; particularly in professions such as medicine and dentistry which should seek only the most qualified students. I am all for scholarships that help socioeconomic and class disadvantaged students achieve their education, but when you throw race in there, I disagree. I believe in programs to help the poor and needy, but not one specific race. To clarify, I am looking at the big picture, I think there should be opportunities available, and an equal playing field, but to prefer one applicant over another based on the color of their skin is ridiculous.

 

[L8DYV]

LLU I think discriminates against religion. I called there inquiring and was told that they "accept people that are comfortable with their beliefs." Plus you have to have a clergy member evaluate you.

 

[howui3]

LLU I think discriminates against religion. I called there inquiring and was told that they "accept people that are comfortable with their beliefs." Plus you have to have a clergy member evaluate you.

and their secondary application has a question about how you will promote the teachings of Jesus Christ...