Can The Almighty Goljan Be For Real ?

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ilovesleep

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i was just inquiring about goljan and all the hype? i have listened to his audio and think he's great...but he really keeps saying to go over his high yield material and that supposedly soooo many of the questions on the actual exam have been addressed in it. i wanted to hear from any people's experiences..either from taking the actual exam or know of people that have. is there any truth to goljan's overconfidence of his notes ? have people really been "saved" by all mighty goljan ?
 
Ill jump in before the flames assemble. Goljan's material is right on for USMLE preparation. By material, I mean written material (i.e. textbooks). I would supplement this with any other sources I could get of his (taped lecture notes, HY review pages) but the textbooks are as good as (or better than) any pathology books on the market.

He teaches for Kaplan, writes questions, and has been doing this for years. He knows what is likely to be on the test, more than anything, and that is invaluable, especially when some professors (www.pathguy.com) give you absolutely everything, Goljan knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
I agree with idiopathic but apparently the NBME has caught on because I didn't find any questions that were directly what he said "that's on boards." Either way, he's priceless.
 
I never used and never missed Goljan. Contrary to popular opinion, you can survive the Step I without this instructor's wisdom.
 
Idiopathic said:
Everyone has their beacon, and for anyone who has experienced Goljan in person, he typically ends up being theirs.

👍 I don't remember too many questions in the way he presents them being word for word, but what he emphasizes and the way he does definitely help you prepare to get into the mode of thinking that helps you realize what the question is looking for. That being said, i was glad I took Idio's advice and bought Robbins Pathology review book as well.
 
This is a great time to reiterate that no matter what sources you read, ultimately you need to practice as many questions as possible. As good as QBank is, Board Simulator Series (also chielfy by Goljan) and Robbins Pathology Review question book are incredibly valuable sources when used properly as study aids.
 
what if you hate q bank ... and by hate..i mean that it depresses me everytime i do a block..i've been hitting it for a few weeks and my average is hovering over a dismal 60%. what to do ? i'm trying to cram as much goljan high yield and FA as possible to try and up my q bank score. any ideas? will it help? should i focus more on going over my wrong answers in q bank or spend more time studying with the high yield notes?
 
Having just taken step 1 and hitting Goljan really really hard, I feel that the most valuable part of his teaching is how accessible he makes seemingly difficult stuff. Take, for example, how he explains serum Fe, Ferretin, iron binding capacity... After hearing his lectures, you should really have a grasp on that and when they throw those concepts at you on the exam, they go from being "tough" questions that you really have to think through to becoming "gimmes."

The bottom line is, no matter how much you study and who you use, the tough questions are still going to be tough no matter how much Goljan, FA, Rapid Review, Qbank etc you do. It is impossible to know it all but Goljan definitely helps as do all of the resources people in this forum swear by.

I, for example, got a boat load of immuno questions which, to put it as gently as possible, completely sucked. I got beat up on them. And it wasnt just what type of hypersensitivity rxn, but rather a question stem that was slightly vague with three different signals that "seemed" right.

Another question I got was about a guy who ate puffer fish at a Japanese restaurant. They then asked what the mechanism of tetrodotoxin in Fugu (AKA puffer fish) is. FYI, its a Na channel blocker. There was really no way to know that but the idea was to see if you understood based on the numbness in his mouth that it had to function like a local anesthetic.

The point I'm trying to make is that you do your absolute best and try to reduce the possible right answers as much as possible. The best way to learn how to do that is Qbank and other practice Qs. Goljan will set you on the right path, but the practice questions help a ton too. Remember that you need to get the gimmes right and that happens by learning Goljan and first aid. The hard questions are going to be hard no matter what.... (i think im rambling)... Good Luck.
 
ilovesleep said:
what if you hate q bank ... and by hate..i mean that it depresses me everytime i do a block..i've been hitting it for a few weeks and my average is hovering over a dismal 60%. what to do ? i'm trying to cram as much goljan high yield and FA as possible to try and up my q bank score. any ideas? will it help? should i focus more on going over my wrong answers in q bank or spend more time studying with the high yield notes?

I hated plenty of stuff in medical school. I still did it.

Also, 60% is respectable in QBank. Finish strong, average around 70% near the end and you are gold.
 
yea thanks for the replies..

and to answer your comment. i'm not trying to sound like a complainer when saying that i hate the Q bank. i've done about 75% of it so far.. so im trying to hit is as much as possible. but i seem to have hit a blockade. i'm not moving my score at all. and every here and there (seems as though it' happens more often) i'll hit like a 48% and it's just a big DOWNER. any ideas on what i should improve to try and get my scores up. i'm starting to freak out since i have only 2 weeks left.

GRRRRRRRR
 
it's a dilemma.

would you get the same questions wrong if you were allowed to look it up in a review book? if not, that would mean that you haven't memorized enough stuff, right?

if the answers are in First Aid, maybe you can memorize more stuff from it?

I've always been a little doubtful of learning material from the answers. it seems good for bits and pieces, but you're not seeing the whole picture that way
 
I'm new to the site and I've never heard about Goljan's audio or books or anything, can someone please tell me where I can get the audio for free or cheap and the other resources, like the Qbank questions and anything else that might be helpful in studying for the boards.
Thanks
 
ilovesleep said:
yea thanks for the replies..

and to answer your comment. i'm not trying to sound like a complainer when saying that i hate the Q bank. i've done about 75% of it so far.. so im trying to hit is as much as possible. but i seem to have hit a blockade. i'm not moving my score at all. and every here and there (seems as though it' happens more often) i'll hit like a 48% and it's just a big DOWNER. any ideas on what i should improve to try and get my scores up. i'm starting to freak out since i have only 2 weeks left.

GRRRRRRRR

Yeah, just work through those sections, learn why you got the questions right/wrong, etc. Follow your study plan regardless of whether you got 30% or 90% right (i.e. dont just assume that you knew or didnt know the answers - determine whether you got tripped up by the question or whether you found something in the question that was hidden that made it easier...make notes of these things.)

BTW, I had two blocks of 25% near the end of QBank, so I know what you are talkikng about. Just keep trudging along.
 
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