Carcinogenic Meat

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So I assume most of you have heard that processed meat (i.e. bacon and salami) are now considered by the WHO to be equivalent to cigarette smoking for their oncogenic potential. I assume that it must have to do with Nitrates commonly found in bacon, sausage and salami. Does anyone know if this cancer risk also applies to nitrate free bacon and salami which are readily available?
 
The WHO just reaffirmed what has been reported by other institutions/organizations like major universities, the World Cancer Research Fund, Cancer Care Centers of America, etc. in the past. The Link Between Sodium Nitrates & Cancer
I don't know if nitrate-free meats would lower the risk. Presumably so; but, wouldn't there still be an increased risk from the other carcinogenic agents acquired from preservatives?
 
Not sure. But maybe.

I gave up all meat a few years ago because I wanted to lose that extra ten pounds i had gained the last 20 years since graduating college .

My kids eat nitrate free salami and bacon, but I might make them give it up if nitrate free doesn't make a,difference.
 
So I assume most of you have heard that processed meat (i.e. bacon and salami) are now considered by the WHO to be equivalent to cigarette smoking for their oncogenic potential. I assume that it must have to do with Nitrates commonly found in bacon, sausage and salami. Does anyone know if this cancer risk also applies to nitrate free bacon and salami which are readily available?


actually, this is a misnomer with the rankings. the categories aren't based on oncogenic potential. The categories are a ranking of how strong the evidence is that some substance causes cancer at all.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...n-so-bad-at-communicating-cancer-risk/412468/

people on facebook are totally freaking out in both directions.
 
Yeah this is not a major cancer risk. I saw something that said the risk elevation from eating about 3 pieces of bacon a day over 20 years is equivalent to a gain in cancer risk from 5% to 5.5%. This isn't smoking or exposing yourself to a nuclear meltdown.
 
A few things:

-- First: The evidence for this linkage is fairly weak. There is no one really convincing high-quality study that demonstrates it. They had to do a "meta-study" and put together various weak results to come to these conclusions. Maybe there is a linkage but I would not consider it definitive and it's nowhere near the same level of evidence as there is with cigarettes; the difference is a difference in kind.

-- Second: Even assuming the linkage is there, the marginal risks we are talking about are quite small as Yaah mentioned. To take a risk that is small to begin with and increase it by 18% (if we accept that number) is not to do very much at all.

The following quote gives a good idea of the orders of magnitude involved:

Quote: The cancer agency noted research by the Global Burden of Disease Project suggesting that 34,000 cancer deaths per year worldwide are linked to diets heavy in processed meat. That compared with 1 million deaths a year linked to smoking, 600,000 a year to alcohol consumption and 200,000 a year to air pollution.
In other words, the deaths caused by the (tentative, not really proven) linkage to processed meats are a drop in the ocean compared to the risks from smoking, heavy drinking or air pollution (in third world countries).

-- Third: It is almost certainly the case that there are many lifestyle factors involving sleep, diet, exercise, etc that lead to increases or decreases in risk of the same (small) order of magnitude as the supposed risk from processed meats. Thus, it is more or less arbitrary and therefore relatively meaningless to isolate this one possible risk factor and ignore a multitude of others (that might also interact with it). Again, that's not the case with something like smoking or heavy drinking, since we are talking about different orders of magnitude.

In short, while there is possibly some linkage that passes tests for statistical significance, it is not a significant risk in absolute terms, not particularly different from a multitude of other lifestyle factors, and nothing whatsoever like the extremely serious risks from something like cigarettes.

The coverage given to this announcement is another good example of a case where the headline says one thing, but the fine print (ie the actual content) amounts to something quite different. The research underlying this may not be completely worthless (though neither is it particularly definitive or of high quality); but the announcement and the headlines surrounding it are disproportionate to what that research actually says. Part of this is simply the usual hype to attract attention and generate clicks; and part of it does serve a more sinister eco-nihilist/green/anti-meat agenda.

-- Finally: The WHO is controlled by the UN, which is pushing Agenda 21 to control resource use of everyone on the world and guilt trip people for wanting to live a middle class life in the name of "sustainable development" (i.e. depopulation). Their announcement matches their existing agenda and so they are a biased source.
 
I figured this thread would be about HPV-ridden meat and the risk of oral cancer for females. That is what they need to be warning the public about, not this.
 
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