Case Western and the Cleveland Clinic

[aloepathic]

Hey all

Can someone that actually knows please enlighten me as to the role of the Cleveland Clinic (the hospital, not the program) in the lives of Case Western Medical Students (University track, not CC track). I've heard conflicting reports of the two hospitals fighting, a new 50 year agreement being signed, student's not getting to rotate in the CC, students doing every rotation in the CC. What's the deal? Isn't the Cleveland Clinic the main draw for Case?

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[Alex0128]

I'm not a med student there, but when I had my interview there they did not say anything about bad relations between the hospitals or programs, and neither did the students there. In addition, they DID say that students from the university program can rotate in CC.

 

[littlealex]

Cleveland Clinic is not the main draw for Case. The UH is a very strong hospital and the Metro is the only level 4 trauma center in the area. However, the Clinic is a very important resource for Case.

There had been some talks of CC changing its affiliation. However, as of early August CC had ended its talks with Columbia and will, for now, continue to be affiliated with Case.

As for relationships of the two hospitals with regard to the students, there are little if no effect on the Case students. As a student you will continue to have the Clinic, along with the VA, MetroHealth, and University Hospitals, as sites of rotations.

Further, the Case students often rotate with the Clinic program students.

 

[CCLCMer]

Hey all

Can someone that actually knows please enlighten me as to the role of the Cleveland Clinic (the hospital, not the program) in the lives of Case Western Medical Students (University track, not CC track). I've heard conflicting reports of the two hospitals fighting, a new 50 year agreement being signed, student's not getting to rotate in the CC, students doing every rotation in the CC. What's the deal? Isn't the Cleveland Clinic the main draw for Case?

Like littlealex said, Case students have a lot of options (four different hospitals) to choose from for our rotations. All of them are good hospitals and have different strengths and weaknesses. The great thing about being in either Case program is that you can rotate at any of the affiliated hospitals and work in any of the research labs too. UP students can definitely rotate at CCF. In fact, most of the students rotating with me for the past four months (at CCF) were UP students. It's also possible for UP students to do their research block at CCF if they want. Even Case MSTP students can do their research at CCF.

I think the students who are really drawn to CCF are interested in fields like cardiology or urology, which are very strong departments at CCF and among the best in the country for those fields. But a lot of people who want to go into peds like rotating at UH/Rainbow Babies. Metro is a great place to do emergency med and a lot of people who are interested in primary care like going there too. I'm doing part of my geriatrics rotation at the VA and that is a good place to do PM&R also. So how strong a draw CCF is for you will depend on what your interests are. Personally I think it is best for your education to do rotations at more than one hospital, and it seems like most students in both programs end up doing that.

 

[aloepathic]

Which of the hospitals has the stronger ortho program? How about opth?

 

[Sylar]

They have amazing programs here. Just don't take a wrong turn anywhere, the streets surrounding all these hospitals/schools resemble 3rd world countries.

 

[CCLCMer]

Which of the hospitals has the stronger ortho program? How about opth?

CCF is a surgery-oriented hospital, so all of the surgery subspecialties are pretty strong. Here is a link to the USNWR hospital rankings if you want to see rankings of hospitals for different specialties. CCF is third for ortho and 11th for ophtho.

They have amazing programs here. Just don't take a wrong turn anywhere, the streets surrounding all these hospitals/schools resemble 3rd world countries.

It's really no worse than any other urban campus. Have you walked around the areas surrounding the medical centers in Detroit, Baltimore, Miami, Philadelphia, Houston, St. Louis, New Orleans, Chicago, etc. and felt a lot safer? No matter where you go, even if you're out in the middle of nowhere, you should keep your wits about you and use common sense.

CCF has its own police force of about 200 officers. These are real cops, not security guards. It's the second largest police force in the entire county (after city of Cleveland), and the CCF campus is statistically the safest district in the entire city. I'm not saying I'd go walking around the Fairfax neighborhood at 3 AM by myself with a wad of cash sticking out of my pocket, but I wouldn't be doing that anywhere else, either. 😉

 

[Sylar]

Just for argument's sake, every school I visited before having to just stay in Cleveland weren't located directly in urban warfare. I will agree, the Cleveland Clinic district is incredibly safe. It's an amazing campus with beautiful architecture, state of the art techonology yadda yadda. But the second you step out of the district( 2-3 blocks ) you'd think you were in the Bronx in the 1980's.

Case really hid this from the guys in my band. Our guitar player got robbed at gun point a few weeks ago, fun times. I mention this just so people know where they're going to be living. Some places require more caution than others, the areas surrounding Case and Cleveland Clinic being the exact definition of such a place.

 

[geekOCD]

*shrug* who cares what it's like 3 blocks outside of the hospital district? The area surrounding is entirely residential (and yes, poor), so it's not like there's anything there to see. The point is that you're not going to have any problems getting from your car to the hospital, and after that, there's plenty of nice neighborhoods in cleveland to live and play in.

To the OP's question - yes it's true that it's possible that the lerner program may break off and do it's own thing, but that doesn't change the affiliation between case (and the case medical center/UH) and CCF. Case students have zero probs rotating through the clinic. If anything, Metro is much more popular for certain rotations and every year a few people don't get a spot there (for core rotations).

 

[phospho]

i'm confused about one thing only: when you get an interview at CCLCM, what are the chances of that interview becoming an acceptance? it doesnt say anywhere about how many residents interviewing there they would accept.

 

[lisasimpson87]

i'm confused about one thing only: when you get an interview at CCLCM, what are the chances of that interview becoming an acceptance? it doesnt say anywhere about how many residents interviewing there they would accept.

when i was there they said they would interview 250 ppl for 32 spots...they're only accepting 32 ppl so there's no chance of overenrollment

 

[phospho]

when i was there they said they would interview 250 ppl for 32 spots...they're only accepting 32 ppl so there's no chance of overenrollment

that's crazy!!!!! now im scared...my interview is in the morning...

 

[CCLCMer]

Just for argument's sake, every school I visited before having to just stay in Cleveland weren't located directly in urban warfare. I will agree, the Cleveland Clinic district is incredibly safe. It's an amazing campus with beautiful architecture, state of the art techonology yadda yadda. But the second you step out of the district( 2-3 blocks ) you'd think you were in the Bronx in the 1980's.

Case really hid this from the guys in my band. Our guitar player got robbed at gun point a few weeks ago, fun times. I mention this just so people know where they're going to be living. Some places require more caution than others, the areas surrounding Case and Cleveland Clinic being the exact definition of such a place.

I'm sorry that happened to him, but I'm still going to argue that Case and CCF are both urban campuses, and you have to take precautions accordingly like you would at ANY urban campus in ANY of the cities I mentioned above. I don't understand what you mean when you say that Case somehow hid the neighborhood from your band. It's kind of obvious, as you pointed out yourself. But fair enough, anyone who comes to Cleveland thinking it's going to be a bucolic paradise has now been forewarned. And considering that it's in the 30s and we're already getting snow flurries, I'll add on for the record that Cleveland is not a tropical paradise either. No one should come here thinking you'll find palm trees and rain forests and expecting to wear your flip flops, tank tops and shorts in November. 😉

when i was there they said they would interview 250 ppl for 32 spots...they're only accepting 32 ppl so there's no chance of overenrollment

16 will be accepted in December, then another 16+ at the end of February (depending on how many of the original 16 drop out). You are right that there won't be any overacceptances.

 

[akmedman]

so if 16 will be accepted in December and then another 16+ at the end of February does interviewing earlier help at all? in other words would you schedule your interview based on convenience or timing?

Thanks for all of your SUPER HELPFUL feedback!

 

[akmedman]

I called Cleveland Clinic to schedule my interview (received an email invite yest!) and they told me to wait until I hear from the University Program before choosing a date.

My understanding was that that the University Program and Cleveland Clinic reviewed each others file and once both schools had a decision: +/+, +/-, or -/+ they notified that applicant to let them know which interviews are extended.

Is this incorrect?

Any clarification would be awesome!

Thanks!

 

[aebvd97]

I called Cleveland Clinic to schedule my interview (received an email invite yest!) and they told me to wait until I hear from the University Program before choosing a date.

My understanding was that that the University Program and Cleveland Clinic reviewed each others file and once both schools had a decision: +/+, +/-, or -/+ they notified that applicant to let them know which interviews are extended.

Is this incorrect?

Any clarification would be awesome!

Thanks!

To answer your earlier post, interviewing before the December selection date does put you at a slight advantage, because you will be considered for both the December and Feb. dates (32 seats), where people after December are fighting for the remaining 16. That being said, I believe the Ms. Lee in the office said that you would have to interview before ~Nov 20 to be considered for the December date.

For your second question, you are correct about how they typically notify students. My guess is that if you didn't receive an interview from the university program at the same time, you probably have been rejected by them, and will receive a snail mail letter soon.

 

[akmedman]

okay thanks!

I will probably email the UP to confirm my expected status. It would make so much more sense for schools to email this info out, in addition to the snail mail... damn.

 

[RoadRunner17]

Well, it'll be on the iApply site, and you get an email when they update that.

 

[phospho]

I interviewed yesterday, it was amazing!

2 faculty and one student. The 3 interviews were very laid back, and weren't even close to formal - just a normal conversation. It was an hour long with each of the faculty and 30 mins with the student. It snowed a bit up there yesterday, but the campus is beautiful.

I think a few have mentioned it before - they interview 250 and accept 32. They're not overaccepting this cycle. If someone doesn't take an offer of acceptance, they take someone off the waitlist, etc. Everything in this thread mentioned is correct (dec. and feb decisions, etc...)

let me know if you have any questions

 

[CCLCMer]

so if 16 will be accepted in December and then another 16+ at the end of February does interviewing earlier help at all? in other words would you schedule your interview based on convenience or timing?

Thanks for all of your SUPER HELPFUL feedback!

I scheduled mine based on convenience, so I interviewed at both programs in January. But Cleveland was a pretty good hike for me. If you live closer, there's nothing wrong with scheduling separately.

I called Cleveland Clinic to schedule my interview (received an email invite yest!) and they told me to wait until I hear from the University Program before choosing a date.

My understanding was that that the University Program and Cleveland Clinic reviewed each others file and once both schools had a decision: +/+, +/-, or -/+ they notified that applicant to let them know which interviews are extended.

Is this incorrect?

Any clarification would be awesome!

Thanks!

Yes, generally that's what they do.

For your second question, you are correct about how they typically notify students. My guess is that if you didn't receive an interview from the university program at the same time, you probably have been rejected by them, and will receive a snail mail letter soon.

Not necessarily. He could be on pre-interview hold. akmedman, call Case and ask them.

IEverything in this thread mentioned is correct (dec. and feb decisions, etc...)

Well, it's not like I would lie to you guys. Glad you had a good interview day, and good luck!

 

[cheasus]

To answer your earlier post, interviewing before the December selection date does put you at a slight advantage, because you will be considered for both the December and Feb. dates (32 seats), where people after December are fighting for the remaining 16. That being said, I believe the Ms. Lee in the office said that you would have to interview before ~Nov 20 to be considered for the December date.

For your second question, you are correct about how they typically notify students. My guess is that if you didn't receive an interview from the university program at the same time, you probably have been rejected by them, and will receive a snail mail letter soon.

I really hope you're wrong about the Nov 20th cut off because I changed my date to November 21st after talking to admissions staff about admission in december. I was told that anytime before december would be considered. I also have my case interview in december so if I wont be considered, I would not be happy about going twice to cleveland.

 

[CCLCMer]

I really hope you're wrong about the Nov 20th cut off because I changed my date to November 21st after talking to admissions staff about admission in december. I was told that anytime before december would be considered. I also have my case interview in december so if I wont be considered, I would not be happy about going twice to cleveland.

I'm not 100% sure, but after working out the schedule in my head, I think aebvd97 is probably right. There was an adcomm meeting today, November 13. Normally, the next adcomm meeting would be in two weeks, on November 27. But that is Thanksgiving, so the next adcomm meeting will be next week instead, on November 20. The next meeting after that will be the big one on December 2 where the adcomm selects the first 16 acceptees. It would make sense that only people who have already been considered at a previous adcomm meeting will be considered for a December acceptance. If that's right, then November 20 will be the cutoff date. But I could be wrong and it's possible that the adcomm will also consider new people who interview from November 21 through December 1 at the selection meeting on December 2. I have class at Lerner tomorrow afternoon anyway, so I will stop by the admissions office and see if I can find anything out for you guys.