CCOM - elite or nah?

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My opinion

Top tier
Dmu
MSU
Tcom
Nsu
Kcumb
Western
Rowan
Nyit
Touro ca/NY
PCOM
Ccom
Oklahoma state
Mid tier
Kcom
Heritage
Lecom
Unecom
Touro nv/middletown
Lecom
Mucom
Pikeville
Azcom
Atsucom
PCOM ga
Low tier
Edward via (both campuses)
Rvu
Lmu
William Carey
Alabama
Campbell
Pacific northwest
West virginia
Larkin
And dead last is
Lucom
 
Rvu is seriously low tier? They've got one of the best match lists....
 
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Hang on, we are arbitrarily ranking DO schools again.
 
Truth be told DO schools can only be graded on when they were created. A graduate of the first 5 is a graduate with a legacy and world touched by alumnus. A person who graduate from a school with no history is one who needs to carve out connections and a path by themselves.


You won't expect any favors from PDs who see that you graduated from MUCOM. But if that program director has seen that 10 graduates have been in that program and are from your school he will know you've been trained well.

In the end medicine is a prestige field. The older the wine the more attractive it is and the more people will be willing to vouch for your sustained production value and flavor.
 
MU and KCOM are mid tier? MU is very new and KCOM is pretty established (I know it is your opinion, but... wut?)

KYCOM has had an erratic view on the forums some say it is good and some not. It should be mid-tier, but it doesn't come off as that.
 
It doesn't matter what arbitrary "tier" a school falls into. Just go to one that matches your interests, and suits you best (location, tuition, mission, et cetera) . Some will go to an in-state school because of lower tuition and/or regional bias favoring them, and some will go to a school because of their clinical rotation sites being well established. I do think its important to look into a school based on clinical sites, but I feel residency placement depends a lot on the student than the school.
 
yanks26dmb said:
Maybe I'm missing something then. Can you post a match a list you consider good..or just give me a school to look up?
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Nova's match list for 2014 appeared to be very good, from the responses it got here on SDN. However, we all know SDN is it's own little world.
 
GreyF0X said:
It doesn't matter what arbitrary "tier" a school falls into. Just go to one that matches your interests, and suits you best (location, tuition, mission, et cetera) . Some will go to an in-state school because of lower tuition and/or regional bias favoring them, and some will go to a school because of their clinical rotation sites being well established. I do think its important to look into a school based on clinical sites, but I feel residency placement depends a lot on the student than the school.
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It barely maters. Might have slightly better match or rotations at high tier.
 
Tiers of osteopathic medical schools exist only in the minds of premeds. CCOM will win you as much associated prestige as MUCOM.
 
IslandStyle808 said:
MU and KCOM are mid tier? MU is very new and KCOM is pretty established (I know it is your opinion, but... wut?)

KYCOM has had an erratic view on the forums some say it is good and some not. It should be mid-tier, but it doesn't come off as that.
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MUCOM has been good at creating the top school illusion. They don't even have a class in rotations, much less a match list. I'd consider them unranked.
 
acapnial said:
Tiers of osteopathic medical schools exist only in the minds of premeds. CCOM will win you as much associated prestige as MUCOM.
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I think tiers exist in terms of educational quality. I would bet that ccom provides a better education when compared to, say, WCU.
 
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cliquesh said:
I think tiers exist in terms of educational quality. I would bet that ccom provides a better educations when compared to, say, WCU.
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Thats a big thing too. In general more established schools should have a better education
 
Surprisingly, even at the most established DO schools (like PCOM) you'll see your fair share of complaints, some pretty significant, from students. These schools are generally better than the newer ones, but nowhere near as great as you would expect them to be given how long they've been around.
 
user3 said:
Surprisingly, even at the most established DO schools (like PCOM) you'll see your fair share of complaints, some pretty significant, from students. These schools are generally better than the newer ones, but nowhere near as great as you would expect them to be given how long they've been around.
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This is true, which is why I fear that the newer schools are simply god awful.
 
does it really matter what school you go to if you want to treat a patient properly? I know for me 95% of the work comes from me and 5% from an institution.
 
I concur here. I'll gladly send any of my kids to any of the COMs except LUCOM (for reasons I've stated previously). Naturally, I'd have them go to mine first.

Back to the OP's question, for ILL medical schools, CCOM (~67) has a LizzyM score very close to SIU (67) Rush (68), U ILL (69) and Rosy Franklin or Loyola (70). In contrast, U Chicago is 76 and Northwestern is 75. Just another way of looking at it.

I think you pre-DO folks should consider the area where the school is in rather than any arbitrary tier. The schools may be very welcoming, but many of them are in rural places, and these might not be so welcoming.

acapnial said:
Tiers of osteopathic medical schools exist only in the minds of premeds. CCOM will win you as much associated prestige as MUCOM.
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In their defense, I'll have to add that I interviewed for a faculty job at MUCOM, and I was highly impressed with them. Time will tell, but I believe those people know what they're doing.

MUCOM has been good at creating the top school illusion. They don't even have a class in rotations, much less a match list. I'd consider them unranked.
 
Gundam00 said:
does it really matter what school you go to if you want to treat a patient properly? I know for me 95% of the work comes from me and 5% from an institution.
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You need good people to train you. There is plenty of stuff in medicine that is not explicitly written in a book. You'll know a lot of medicine by the end of your 2nd year of medical school, but it's unlikely you'll know how to apply any of it. That's why no one expects anything out new 3rd medical students. With that said, however, I don't think it matters what school you go to in the grand scheme of things. I think where you do your residency matters a lot more. Going to a good school will get you into a good residency, so...
 
Gundam00 said:
does it really matter what school you go to if you want to treat a patient properly? I know for me 95% of the work comes from me and 5% from an institution.
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No. But there are certain individuals (or groups of people) who want to believe their school is elite in some regards which is why discussion of arbitrary tiers continues to come up. As med students or those with aspirations to become a med student, there is a lot of ego that comes into play.

It's hard for some to accept the fact that there may be no practical difference between a school like Western Pomona and Edward via, outside of location.
 
cliquesh said:
You need good people to train you. There is plenty of stuff in medicine that is not explicitly written in a book. You'll know a lot of medicine by the end of your 2nd year of medical school, but it's unlikely you'll know how to apply any of it. That's why no one expects anything out new 3rd medical students. With that said, however, I don't think it matters what school you go to in the grand scheme of things. I think where you do your residency matters a lot more. Going to a good school will get you into a good residency, so...
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Thats only for the students that wanted to go MD though. They want a good residency thats MD right so they would need that affiliation?
 
Gundam00 said:
Thats only for the students that wanted to go MD though. They want a good residency thats MD right so they would need that affiliation?
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I imagine AOA residences are selective as well...
 
DoctorSynthesis said:
My opinion

Top tier
Dmu
MSU
Tcom
Nsu
Kcumb
Western
Rowan
Nyit
Touro ca/NY
PCOM
Ccom
Oklahoma state
Mid tier
Kcom
Heritage
Lecom
Unecom
Touro nv/middletown
Lecom
Mucom
Pikeville
Azcom
Atsucom
PCOM ga
Low tier
Edward via (both campuses)
Rvu
Lmu
William Carey
Alabama
Campbell
Pacific northwest
West virginia
Larkin
And dead last is
Lucom
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Don't you feel like Kcumb is full of BS? I was watching their video on scientific research and ppl are straight up working with solutions without gloves on. So amateur.

Also kcumbs average mcat is 26. Too low to be top tier I think.
 
JimmyB123 said:
Don't you feel like Kcumb is full of BS? I was watching their video on scientific research and ppl are straight up working with solutions without gloves on. So amateur.

Also kcumbs average mcat is 26. Too low to be top tier I think.
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Are you basing your judgment of a school based on the fact that they didn't wear gloves in a promo video for their research?

I wouldn't consider top tier to be based on their MCAT matriculation average.


KCUMB matched last years grads at mayo clinic (derm, gen surg, OBGyn), Cleveland clinic (anesth), BU (OB/Gyn), New York medical college, Loyola, LSU, Wisconsin, stony brook, Harvard south shore, Albert Einstein... KCUMB seems like a very strong institution to me.


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Gundam00 said:
Thats only for the students that wanted to go MD though. They want a good residency thats MD right so they would need that affiliation?
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Well it's not so much an MD thing as it is a competition thing. When there is more competition to a certain program, the program director will look at any factor necessary to reduce competition. If there has been a school that has a great track record of graduating students that have gone through the PDs program or any other program, they will look at these graduates more preferably. Again, this is not true for the non-competitive residencies because the grades, COMLEX scores, audition rotations, etc. are more than enough to reduce competition for a program.
 
AlteredScale said:
Are you basing your judgment of a school based on the fact that they didn't wear gloves in a promo video for their research?

I wouldn't consider top tier to be based on their MCAT matriculation average.


KCUMB matched last years grads at mayo clinic (derm, gen surg, OBGyn), Cleveland clinic (anesth), BU (OB/Gyn), New York medical college, Loyola, LSU, Wisconsin, stony brook, Harvard south shore, Albert Einstein... KCUMB seems like a very strong institution to me.


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agreed
 
JimmyB123 said:
Don't you feel like Kcumb is full of BS? I was watching their video on scientific research and ppl are straight up working with solutions without gloves on. So amateur.

Also kcumbs average mcat is 26. Too low to be top tier I think.
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This years average was 28.08
 
JimmyB123 said:
Don't you feel like Kcumb is full of BS? I was watching their video on scientific research and ppl are straight up working with solutions without gloves on. So amateur.

Also kcumbs average mcat is 26. Too low to be top tier I think.
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If forgetting to put gloves on was the last of my problems... Lol


And if harvard had a 24 it'd still be top tier. People select for different locations for different reasons.
 
DloopF2 said:
This years average was 28.08
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Oh hmm that's solid. Out of the three powerhouses in the Midwest (CCOM, DMU, KCUMB), I think CCOM is the strongest school. Best location too.

Maybe the Touros, NSU, or PCOM edge out CCOM but in the Midwest it is definitely the strongest institution
 
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