Chances at NEOMED BS/MD?

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Here are my stats:
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Caucasian Male from OH
Rank: Top 5%
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3.65-3.8 UW GPA

8 AP courses total
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50 hours of volunteer work at nursing home
Will be shadowing various doctors this summer

Any insight into my chances of getting into this accelerated BS/MD program?
 
http://www.neomed.edu/admissions/medicine/bsmd

http://www.neomed.edu/admissions/medicine/bsmd/PROFILEOFC1CLASSOF2020.pdf

Use that as your gauge and decide for yourself. Opinions from a message board won't influence your decision to apply I take it? You're around their admission stats from last year.

Just like any other college you need good recommendations and a good personal statement: Recommendations are really your time to shine because it's not you talking, it's people who have known/worked/taught you.

Are you taking a full set of classes now? what are you doing to diversify yourself? What are you doing to challenge yourself? What are you doing to go beyond your limits as a person and as a student?
 
You seem like a bright guy, OP. You'll seriously sacrifice your resume and go to an undergrad like Kent State and then NEOMED just to play it safe?

With any luck in Ohio, you could easily end up Ohio State/CWRU-->upper tier med school. Despite what people say, prestige does matter
 
there's no good reason to go to this, or any other, accelerated BS/MD program. you're too young to decide on a career, and you will be stuck at a sub-par undergrad.
 
I thought BS/MD programs were pretty much just side ways deals.
 
Thanks for the responses, guys!

The main reason I am considering this option is because of the virtually guaranteed acceptance into medical school. However, how much more difficult is it to get a solid residency if I go to NEOMED compared to, say, OSU?
 
ftrudoc said:
Thanks for the responses, guys!

The main reason I am considering this option is because of the virtually guaranteed acceptance into medical school. However, how much more difficult is it to get a solid residency if I go to NEOMED compared to, say, OSU?
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Yes probably. With equal stats, you can still get into your desired specialty most likely but competitive programs will mind the name.
 
ftrudoc said:
Thanks for the responses, guys!

The main reason I am considering this option is because of the virtually guaranteed acceptance into medical school. However, how much more difficult is it to get a solid residency if I go to NEOMED compared to, say, OSU?
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It's not guaranteed acceptance to medical school. You still have to take the MCAT and perform at a certain score. In addition, you have to meet a GPA cut off.
 
Not worth it. These programs are stupid and unnecessary. Your stats are also below the average matriculant into these programs. Just go to a good UG, do well, and go to medical school the traditional way.
 
I am in the BS/MD program at NEOMED- I am currently at the medical school portion. While you can go to a school like OSU or Case, if you really feel strongly about becoming a doctor, at least apply for the program. The stress of not having to apply to 15-20 med schools during college will be worth attending a "not so good UG institution" if that is what you are worried about. Patients do not care where their physicians attended college or med school. They just want a good doctor who cares & does their job right.
 
I'm curious whether people have such low opinions of BS/MD programs like those at WashU, Northwestern, Rice/Baylor. These are incredible MD programs with great undergrads. There is no requirement to stay for the MD part of the program if you decide medicine isn't for you.
 
efle said:
I'm curious whether people have such low opinions of BS/MD programs like those at WashU, Northwestern, Rice/Baylor. These are incredible MD programs with great undergrads. There is no requirement to stay for the MD part of the program if you decide medicine isn't for you.
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ftrudoc said:
Thanks for the responses, guys!

The main reason I am considering this option is because of the virtually guaranteed acceptance into medical school. However, how much more difficult is it to get a solid residency if I go to NEOMED compared to, say, OSU?
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I do recognize that our program is not the best or hardest to get into, but I believe people forget WHY it was created in the first place & why the school was even built as well. NEOMED was founded to help with the physician shortage in NE Ohio, and focused on students from the area (or at least Ohio) and on training physicians who would remain in the area or state to serve their communities.

I fully admit our school is not the best (hell we're unranked) and we're unheard of by a lot of people, but that has not stopped students from being competitive for specialties like derm, optho, ortho, or ENT and matching into them.

So OP, my best advice- visit the school if possible, ask questions, and think about applying if you do feel like medicine is what you want to do (and are willing to work hard for!)
 
efle said:
I'm curious whether people have such low opinions of BS/MD programs like those at WashU, Northwestern, Rice/Baylor. These are incredible MD programs with great undergrads. There is no requirement to stay for the MD part of the program if you decide medicine isn't for you.
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I don't think people have a necessarily low opinion of such top BS/MD programs (they're absurdly competitive, so obviously people are going for it), but just that locking down to one career path as a 17 year old high schooler is always going to be a big jump.


Plus, despite the great undergrads, the people getting into these programs are often turning down HYPSM to do this.

Maggie Stone said:
The stress of not having to apply to 15-20 med schools during college will be worth attending a "not so good UG institution" if that is what you are worried about.
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Some people will care, and understandably so. The NEOMED links are all schools with ~90%+ acceptance rates; for kids with high stats, it will be a tough pill to swallow.
 
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Would people really turn down a guaranteed top 20 med spot in order to go HYPSM instead of a less famous name with a similar student body? Damn. I'd understand the desire to be surrounded by smart kids making it tough to go to an unknown BS/MD, but to turn down a WashU Med spot to go to MIT for college seems like a stupidly risky move
 
efle said:
Would people really turn down a guaranteed top 20 med spot in order to go HYPSM instead of a less famous name with a similar student body? Damn. I'd understand the desire to be surrounded by smart kids making it tough to go to an unknown BS/MD, but to turn down a WashU Med spot to go to MIT for college seems like a stupidly risky move
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Who's doing that?
 
efle said:
Whoever md-2020 was referencing that would have to think twice because they would be passing up HYPSM undergrad
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That's the dumbest decision ever
 
efle said:
Would people really turn down a guaranteed top 20 med spot in order to go HYPSM instead of a less famous name with a similar student body? Damn. I'd understand the desire to be surrounded by smart kids making it tough to go to an unknown BS/MD, but to turn down a WashU Med spot to go to MIT for college seems like a stupidly risky move
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I was pointing out that kids getting into these programs are going to have other great options, which will be very appealing. Not to bring up another UG prestige debate.

Most 17 year olds are not set on medicine, god knows I certainly wasn't. In this scenario, BS/MD does not carry as much significance.

raindropx said:
Who's doing that?
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Kids at HYPSM-esque schools that obviously had the high school stats to be competitive for BS/MD but chose to either not apply to those or to matriculate to their said traditional UG.
 
I remember someone on sdn who was debating between harvard and brown/alpert program. Even I would have a hard time deciding I guess because who would give up harvard...
 
efle said:
helped you what, choose a middle school?
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Lol

and what? I can't see mimelim at SLU...no offense to that school. I thought he went to WashU for med school. Either way, he's brilliant
 
efle said:
helped you what, choose a middle school?
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No, questions I had with Vascular surgery.
I do say though, good effort.👍
I'm actually not in high school anymore, I have been trying to change the badge to that alumni one:laugh:
 
Maggie Stone said:
I do recognize that our program is not the best or hardest to get into, but I believe people forget WHY it was created in the first place & why the school was even built as well. NEOMED was founded to help with the physician shortage in NE Ohio, and focused on students from the area (or at least Ohio) and on training physicians who would remain in the area or state to serve their communities.

I fully admit our school is not the best (hell we're unranked) and we're unheard of by a lot of people, but that has not stopped students from being competitive for specialties like derm, optho, ortho, or ENT and matching into them.

So OP, my best advice- visit the school if possible, ask questions, and think about applying if you do feel like medicine is what you want to do (and are willing to work hard for!)
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I like your positive outlook. Regardless of what anyone says, those combined programs are definitely hard to get into. Do you feel satisfied with your experiences so far? IDK if you're in clinical years yet but if so, how are your rotation experiences?
 
I went to Akron for 2 years and now I am finising my biology degree at Kent. They are good institutions don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. It's not any better to go to Ohio state or Case. It's just a name and GPA deflation. I know a guy who had a 3.8 from Akron who just got into OSU.

You can also easily finish your bachelors in 3 years (not 2 but still) without a program by the way.

Undergrad is what you make it. If you want to learn the material in a class, you will have to put in X about of work, regrdless of where you are at. Also, these smaller institutions (Akron, Kent) have more focus on the student whereas at a place like Ohio st. you may have upwards of 1200 students in a chemistry lecture so there is no personalized help.
 
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TheWorldWarrior said:
I like your positive outlook. Regardless of what anyone says, those combined programs are definitely hard to get into. Do you feel satisfied with your experiences so far? IDK if you're in clinical years yet but if so, how are your rotation experiences?
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I have not done my clinical rotations yet, so I can't answer any questions about that. I would pick NEOMED's bs/md program time after time. I saved myself the uncertainty of applying to schools and wondering for a year if I would get in. The friends I have made in UG & at neomed are incredibly kind & supportive. You take majority of your classes in undergrad with your peers doing the program, so if you ever need help there will be someone who can help you out. There are negatives to everything in life, but I can honestly most of the negatives I have experienced in the program pale in comparison to the positives.
 
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