Charting Outcomes/ERAS Questions

[Dr. Scribe]

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Hello everyone,

There is a statistic that is presented in the charting outcomes collection that confuses me:

"6. Mean number of abstracts, presentations, and publications"

Isn't a presentation basically just an abstract that you turn into a poster and present at a conference? I'm not sure what the difference is.

If I helped make a poster and my name is on the abstract that was accepted by the conference, BUT I did not present the poster myself, can I still count that as a presentation?

It just seems like it is very easy to inflate these numbers. Could I not just submit abstracts and make posters of my manuscripts that have already been published (and are available on PubMed) to inflate this number?

How are abstracts, presentations, and publications entered on residency applications?

Thanks for the help!


EDIT: Also, where do case reports come into the picture?

 

[Dox4lyfe]

Hello everyone,

There is a statistic that is presented in the charting outcomes collection that confuses me:

"6. Mean number of abstracts, presentations, and publications"

Isn't a presentation basically just an abstract that you turn into a poster and present at a conference? I'm not sure what the difference is.

If I helped make a poster and my name is on the abstract that was accepted by the conference, BUT I did not present the poster myself, can I still count that as a presentation?

It just seems like it is very easy to inflate these numbers. Could I not just submit abstracts and make posters of my manuscripts that have already been published (and are available on PubMed) to inflate this number?

How are abstracts, presentations, and publications entered on residency applications?

Thanks for the help!


EDIT: Also, where do case reports come into the picture?

Just read about this a bit because I was also confused. From what I now understand:

- A presentation IS basically a poster form of your abstract that you present. You can submit the abstract to a conference and never present it. If it WAS actually presented by someone and your name is on it, you can call it a "presentation" (although some disagree with this)

- The total number is inflated and can easily be inflated by doing what you described. Work on a project, write an abstract that you present and then write up the full paper. Not exactly sure how making a poster after the paper was already published will look, but I guess you could?

 

[MSTP18]

- A presentation IS basically a poster form of your abstract that you present. You can submit the abstract to a conference and never present it. If it WAS actually presented by someone and your name is on it, you can call it a "presentation" (although some disagree with this)

Count me among people who would disagree. A presentation is a talk. At most conferences you submit the abstract and either get selected for a talk + poster or just poster (I guess you could get flat out rejected but I’ve never sent it happen).

An abstract is a published abstract. Some conferences have their abstracts published in a journal. Most don’t.

While on my real CV talks and posters are grouped into one category with either “poster” or “oral presentation and poster” at the end, I was told for ERAS to list oral presentations AND posters, ie double count the presentation since it always has a poster too.

 

[Dox4lyfe]

Count me among people who would disagree. A presentation is a talk. At most conferences you submit the abstract and either get selected for a talk + poster or just poster (I guess you could get flat out rejected but I’ve never sent it happen).

An abstract is a published abstract. Some conferences have their abstracts published in a journal. Most don’t.

While on my real CV talks and posters are grouped into one category with either “poster” or “oral presentation and poster” at the end, I was told for ERAS to list oral presentations AND posters, ie double count the presentation since it always has a poster too.

So a presentation only includes a "talk" as in a PowerPoint presentation? Where would a poster presentation fall (as in when you go to a conference and talk to people who come up to you about your research on your poster)?

 

[MSTP18]

So a presentation only includes a "talk" as in a PowerPoint presentation? Where would a poster presentation fall (as in when you go to a conference and talk to people who come up to you about your research on your poster)?

Correct. Standing in front of your poster is what a poster is.

 

[MSTP18]

Hello everyone,

There is a statistic that is presented in the charting outcomes collection that confuses me:

"6. Mean number of abstracts, presentations, and publications"

Isn't a presentation basically just an abstract that you turn into a poster and present at a conference? I'm not sure what the difference is.

If I helped make a poster and my name is on the abstract that was accepted by the conference, BUT I did not present the poster myself, can I still count that as a presentation?

It just seems like it is very easy to inflate these numbers. Could I not just submit abstracts and make posters of my manuscripts that have already been published (and are available on PubMed) to inflate this number?

How are abstracts, presentations, and publications entered on residency applications?

Thanks for the help!


EDIT: Also, where do case reports come into the picture?

I forgot to answer the question about submitting published work. Every conference I have ever submitted to has made you attest to the fact that the work being presented is original and has not been published or presented elsewhere. It’s one thing if at the time of submission it has yet to be published and so by the time the conference actually occurs it’s been published. It’s also ok to present the same project at multiple conferences as you gather more and more data. Submitting the abstract of a published manuscript would definitely be a no no though. What stops you besides your reputation? Idk. Certainly anyone looking at your CV after the fact could tell that’s what you did.

Case reports are publications. In a proper CV you would probably separate your various publication categories.

 

[pbrocks15]

I forgot to answer the question about submitting published work. Every conference I have ever submitted to has made you attest to the fact that the work being presented is original and has not been published or presented elsewhere. It’s one thing if at the time of submission it has yet to be published and so by the time the conference actually occurs it’s been published. It’s also ok to present the same project at multiple conferences as you gather more and more data. Submitting the abstract of a published manuscript would definitely be a no no though. What stops you besides your reputation? Idk. Certainly anyone looking at your CV after the fact could tell that’s what you did.

Case reports are publications. In a proper CV you would probably separate your various publication categories.

Would you list the posters presented at different conferences separately?

 

[MSTP18]

Would you list the posters presented at different conferences separately?

yes. both on my real CV and ERAS